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Old 01-25-2008, 11:36 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Default Re: massive zetec turbo kit?

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Originally Posted by Chiwestburb
Karl

Thanks for replying and not locking this post. My last comments are as follows.

Here are some of the repairs done to the car by the new builder and invoiced/paid on 10/05/07.

Head gasket leaking coolant
Valve cover leaking oil
Front crankshaft seal leaking oil
Rear main seal leaking oil
Oil pan gasket leaking oil
No sealant found on the exhaust system after turbo

Operator error leads to none of these, builder error does. Offer to fix this, you were glad to see the car go based on bleeding money! We were advised to go to another shop after having left it w/you for almost five months, I ask you how long do this builds take. Three weeks at the new shop!

The repair expense for this was great. Having the car with you for over four months was great. Inconsistent information regarding progress, at the tuner, not at the tuner was strange. The entire bottom end is available for your inspection to see if there was in fact piston chatter, no cross hatching was evident, the block was not new it was reworked. A copper head gasket was installed which solved for the leak.

The items mentioned above have pics for documentation. I realize you lost money, I have lost a lot more, but you need to complete your work if it was done wrong or the wrong parts were in stalled. It’s all about accountability!! None of my payments to you failed, right! You gave up on the project and we gave up in believing in you and Massive Speed Systems.
When your son took the car for the break in mileage, HE blew the head gasket. If the car was babied and not beat to sh## it would not have failed. The car only had a base file in it to let it run on the 60lb injectors and larger maf. A little timing was pulled out of the tune, but it still was not tuned to be safe for power pulls at this point.

He and you were warned to drive the car like a grandma. Not Go street racing. Erik Called me during the break in period to ask me "how do I turn up the boost?" he even told stories of Racing against a Trans am.

Do you understand what happens with a blown head gasket? Cylinder pressure builds escapes into the crankcase. This can ruin / blow out gaskets, seals, ect, ect.

"No sealant found on the exhaust system after turbo"???? Our kit uses a high temp sealer for the downpipe to turbo. There was no exhaust leak. Sorry.

Ps, Clutches require a break in period too, I'm sure all the street racing action had some effect on this failure as well, or maybe fluid contamination from the blown seals.

Your son did not respect what you were giving him. Not our fault.

I will say this. The day after we replaced the blown head gasket, you kept calling and saying "I need the car", "He needs it to get to work", "Is it drivable?" We said it's drivable, but under boost it still has the coolant problem.

It was our plan in the next few days to pull the head, inspect, and come up with a solution.

But, the next thing we know, Erik Shows up out of the blue to pick the car up. He was told that if he took it now, that he was not to ever bring it back.

We were willing to finish the car, but not with your fast food approach to hot rod building.

That is where we left it.

Since then, We have talked with the Guys at your "other shop" many times. The latest call was asking for a price on a replacement turbo.

They told us your son, sucked up water and the turbo broke. I am assuming if you are having the engine repaired again, that some of that same water must have damaged cylinder #1 since water doesn't compress.

I think you need to get your story straight.

Be realistic.

This is all elective performance work. May I remind you that when the stock motor went, our first suggestion was to put a stock Used motor in, with no turbo kit so your son could drive it. That would have been under 1 week repair time.

Obviously you don't remember the Poor excuse for a turbo kit that was on the car when you brought it to us. The compression across the whole motor was below 100 psi on all 4 cylinders with # 3 & 4 below 60 psi. The car seemed to have some kind of tune in it, the boost gauge showed 14 psi+ at wot, but the car had a really bad surging at even part throttle. Also the car had a big mystery oil leak. Everything under the hood was knock off this, Chinese that.

We called you back after doing a road test and compression check to condemn the whole turbo kit and motor. As I recall You wanted a quote to build the motor, and put in a new turbo kit. You then stated you wanted us to see if there was anything we could do to make the car more drivable in the meanwhile. The plan we came up with was to build a motor on the side and do a swap when all the parts were ready, this way your son could use the car to get to and from work. Constantly we were told to do everything as basic as we could to keep the costs down. Although you did splurge and get new wheels and tires for your son while the car was here.

Not that we did anything of less quality than we normally would. Just a few important things for a high power turbo focus like An in car wideband, LSD, new upper motor mounts, Repair of a torn cv axle boot, ect, ect. There were a bunch of other little things like missing brackets and stuff from the previous owner of the car that you didn't want us to replace either. None of these were completely essential, but I find it funny that the wheels and tires took precedence over them.

Our first actions to Fix drivability so your son could take the car were to remove the China Knock off Boost controller. And second, we replaced the oil fouled spark plugs. The car made the base Setting of the wastegate spring (6 psi) and had no surging. It had good enough drivability that it could have been taken and used for daily use.

The stock motor failed due to a Garden hose turbo oil return line that had a hole in it. It kicked a rod due to a spun bearing from no oil pressure. (Chinese knock off oil pressure gauge did not work, and stock pressure sender was removed from block(low oil pressure light bulb was removed from cluster) I have what’s left of the rod and piston in my toolbox.

Your decision was to ultimately go All out.

If you wanted basic transportation, You should have bought him a Hyundai instead.

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