Lightweight pulleys - Focaljet

**CaysE** · 05-11-2006, 04:57 PM

Hey what's up CFM, you guys have been doing so much for the SVT and Zetec crowd, it's great to have you here! It seems like everyone else has jumped ship to the Duratec aftermarket and left us behind. Thanks!

Asskissing aside, I have a question. I have no idea if there's interest in this, but I'm definitely interested in a complete set of lightweight billet aluminum pulleys. All stock sizes, no under- or overdrive, for the SVT. Is there any chance you guys are working on something like this, or have already tried to gauge interest in it?

**BlkThunder** · 05-13-2006, 04:50 PM

x2 lemme know.

**CFM Focus** · 05-13-2006, 10:50 PM

'preciate the compliments!

We have had a few inquiries but to be honest with you, if you guys want to pay a reasonable price for them we will need at least 25 pre-orders for them.

**venomrogue** · 05-13-2006, 10:58 PM

define "reasonable" lol.

The crank overdrive pulley is lighter than the stock crank pully right?

**CFM Focus** · 05-13-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by venomrogue

define "reasonable" lol.

The crank overdrive pulley is lighter than the stock crank pully right?

A set that contains crank, water pump and alternator would be around $139.95

Yes, the OD crank pulley is lighter. Not sure by how much though. If we make a lightweight set, it will be LIGHTWEIGHT. I'm thinking of a three spoke design with the minimum amount of material necessary.

**CaysE** · 05-14-2006, 01:54 AM

That's a lot less than I was expecting. Unorthodox Racing charges $180 for just the crank pulley.

I was thinking lightweight with longevity; I'm sure those of us that want to keep the stock pulley sizes want to keep the car streetable and hassle-free. If a three-spoke design can pull this off, that would be great, but I think for longevity's sake it should be a little stronger with a 5- or 7-spoke design. Thoughts?

Also, how about the tensioner and idler pulleys near the alternator?

**CFM Focus** · 05-14-2006, 10:22 AM

Three spokes with proper thickness will be fine. We could also do 5 thinner spokes. The choice would be more cosmetically oriented but I will have to check for sure. Should be able to make any pulley as long as the demand is there.

**BlkThunder** · 05-17-2006, 10:13 PM

k so we got three so far... come on guys i been askin bout these for a while

**macdiesel** · 05-17-2006, 10:30 PM

I'm interested as well. just wonderin' performance wise what would the gains be? I've installed liteweight udps before. also wonderin' bout ease of install as well? Any info appreciated. Thanks guys

**Reedicus26** · 05-18-2006, 05:38 AM

Some of the svt track guys would probably be interested in an oversized PS pump pulley. I would consider one of those if possible.

**CaysE** · 05-18-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by macdiesel

I'm interested as well. just wonderin' performance wise what would the gains be? I've installed liteweight udps before. also wonderin' bout ease of install as well? Any info appreciated. Thanks guys

These won't be underdrive pulleys; they'll be stock sized (if I can get this ball rolling).

I'm researching what exactly we would be asking CFM to make for us and what kind of ballpark gains they would give.

**BlkThunder** · 05-18-2006, 11:40 AM

the real advantage would be taking weight from the rotating assemblies in lower gears. So, first and second gear will "feel" better. but its not gonna be an overly drastic improvement in horsepower. I like to think of it as a nice compromise for those that dont want to do a flywheel right away.

I figure since we have such a problem getting the car off the line, any little bit in those bottom gears'll help.

anyone care to figure the weight savings from all the gears... at least 2.5 pounds from the crank... how much for the other two?

**tjdean187** · 05-18-2006, 08:10 PM

my girl has a bone stock '01 SE, and I know she would like some added performance

. She would love something along the lines of turbo, but that would be a huge expense and (newbie here!!) is that happening right now? Anywho, what other upgrades could be made to compliment the prospective buy of an underdrive pully set?

**BlkThunder** · 05-18-2006, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjdean187

my girl has a bone stock '01 SE, and I know she would like some added performance

. She would love something along the lines of turbo, but that would be a huge expense and (newbie here!!) is that happening right now? Anywho, what other upgrades could be made to compliment the prospective buy of an underdrive pully set?

search my man search!!!

but heres my recepie for success...
Race header, with matching flex and a borla 2.5 exhaust.
ITG Drop in panel
ported throttle body
Underdrive pulley
Tune....

that stuff will get u started and after that is where the big money comes in!!!

**CaysE** · 05-19-2006, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CFM Focus

Three spokes with proper thickness will be fine. We could also do 5 thinner spokes. The choice would be more cosmetically oriented but I will have to check for sure. Should be able to make any pulley as long as the demand is there.

I think 5 spokes would look better than 3, personally. Would there be anodizing options in a limited run like this?

**COSVT03** · 05-19-2006, 03:54 AM

I dont care about 3 or 5 Spoke I care about LIGHTWEIGHT and same as stock sizes. That would be so awesome and am definantly in! (I know I was one of those inquiries

)

**CaysE** · 05-19-2006, 08:29 AM

Discuss some ideas here: http://forums.focaljet.com/svt-headq...-interest.html

**CaysE** · 05-21-2006, 11:28 AM

CFM (sorry, I don't know your name), would there be repurcussions by replacing the dampener with just a pulley on the crank? Is it possible to get a lightweight dampener?

**CFM Focus** · 05-21-2006, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaysE

CFM (sorry, I don't know your name), would there be repurcussions by replacing the dampener with just a pulley on the crank? Is it possible to get a lightweight dampener?

We do not have a definite answer on the "dampener" vs. "no dampener" question. From what I have read, it seems a few out of a 1000+ UDP users has had a failure which has been blamed but not directly proven to have been caused by the lack of a dampener. Common sense would lead me to believe that if Ford uses one from the factory that it must serve a purpose. Just like two 2.0L (different models) don't have the exact same characteristics (ie. mileage, strength, power), it could be that the particular configuration of the Zetec (ie. bore & stroke, rotating mass) does not produce or suffer as much from harmonic vibrations as other engines do.

**CaysE** · 05-21-2006, 11:51 PM

Can you look into lightweight dampener options?

**CFM Focus** · 05-22-2006, 12:09 AM

That is like asking "can you make my car faster without it using more fuel?" Part of a dampeners "dampening" ability is to have mass that will absorb harmonic vibrations. I honestly don't think there is such thing as a light weight dampener but I'm not an engineer so how would I know. Most of the small block V8 dampeners are as heavy, if not heavier than stock.

**CaysE** · 05-22-2006, 08:54 AM

I'll have to look into Fluidamper and other manufacturers for this. If I'm going for a stock setup, I'd rather still have the stock parts, honestly. Just lighter. Maybe the crank will be left out altogether.

**BrokenSVT** · 05-25-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CaysE

I'll have to look into Fluidamper and other manufacturers for this. If I'm going for a stock setup, I'd rather still have the stock parts, honestly. Just lighter. Maybe the crank will be left out altogether.

I was just cruisin' by, checking the 'wares and saw this discussion. The crank pulley, being largest, would carry the most rotational inertia. Basically, if you don't do the crank pulley along with the others, the difference would be even less negligible. Point being, the crank pulley is the most important of all when considering lightweight pulleys...

Greg

05-11-2006, 04:57 PM	#1
CaysE [FJ] This is worse than when the raccoon got caught in the copier! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 7,650	Lightweight pulleys Hey what's up CFM, you guys have been doing so much for the SVT and Zetec crowd, it's great to have you here! It seems like everyone else has jumped ship to the Duratec aftermarket and left us behind. Thanks! Asskissing aside, I have a question. I have no idea if there's interest in this, but I'm definitely interested in a complete set of lightweight billet aluminum pulleys. All stock sizes, no under- or overdrive, for the SVT. Is there any chance you guys are working on something like this, or have already tried to gauge interest in it? __________________ 2008 Cannondale F4 ··· Hi-brite · no mods (yet) 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· hehehehehehe strictly/focused "It would take a miracle to make the entire Focus community get along. FF vs FJ, F-P vs FS, tuner vs tuner, racer vs ricer. What can you do?"

05-13-2006, 04:50 PM	#2
BlkThunder Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,381	Re: Lightweight pulleys x2 lemme know. __________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. There’s nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.... Portal for those that are socially awkward!!!

05-13-2006, 10:50 PM	#3
CFM Focus Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: www.c-f-m.com Posts: 1,506	Re: Lightweight pulleys 'preciate the compliments! We have had a few inquiries but to be honest with you, if you guys want to pay a reasonable price for them we will need at least 25 pre-orders for them. __________________ Central Florida Motorsports, Inc. - Since 1996 sales@c-f-m.com / NEW! Online Customer Service - Live Chat / 407.339.9211 / Subscribe to CFM Forum We match ALL advertised prices on products we carry! Our Latest Products / SVT Focus Parts Video of our 12 second Vortech Supercharged 1/4 mile Focus / Specs / Timeslip / Dyno .:Focus Showoff:. Picture and Video Gallery

05-13-2006, 10:58 PM	#4
venomrogue Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,572	Re: Lightweight pulleys define "reasonable" lol. The crank overdrive pulley is lighter than the stock crank pully right? __________________ Old School: 2002 fully built Powerworks Zetec New Hotness: 2004 JRSC SVT soon to be Powerworks Parts by Karl @ Massive Speed System (www.massivespeedsystem.com) Tuning and porting by Mark @ Skidmark Racing (turbof150.com)

05-14-2006, 01:54 AM	#6
CaysE [FJ] This is worse than when the raccoon got caught in the copier! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 7,650	Re: Lightweight pulleys That's a lot less than I was expecting. Unorthodox Racing charges $180 for just the crank pulley. I was thinking lightweight with longevity; I'm sure those of us that want to keep the stock pulley sizes want to keep the car streetable and hassle-free. If a three-spoke design can pull this off, that would be great, but I think for longevity's sake it should be a little stronger with a 5- or 7-spoke design. Thoughts? Also, how about the tensioner and idler pulleys near the alternator? __________________ 2008 Cannondale F4 ··· Hi-brite · no mods (yet) 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· hehehehehehe strictly/focused "It would take a miracle to make the entire Focus community get along. FF vs FJ, F-P vs FS, tuner vs tuner, racer vs ricer. What can you do?"

05-14-2006, 10:22 AM	#7
CFM Focus Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: www.c-f-m.com Posts: 1,506	Re: Lightweight pulleys Three spokes with proper thickness will be fine. We could also do 5 thinner spokes. The choice would be more cosmetically oriented but I will have to check for sure. Should be able to make any pulley as long as the demand is there. __________________ Central Florida Motorsports, Inc. - Since 1996 sales@c-f-m.com / NEW! Online Customer Service - Live Chat / 407.339.9211 / Subscribe to CFM Forum We match ALL advertised prices on products we carry! Our Latest Products / SVT Focus Parts Video of our 12 second Vortech Supercharged 1/4 mile Focus / Specs / Timeslip / Dyno .:Focus Showoff:. Picture and Video Gallery

05-17-2006, 10:13 PM	#8
BlkThunder Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,381	Re: Lightweight pulleys k so we got three so far... come on guys i been askin bout these for a while __________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. There’s nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.... Portal for those that are socially awkward!!!

05-17-2006, 10:30 PM	#9
macdiesel TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: chicago,il Posts: 197	Re: Lightweight pulleys I'm interested as well. just wonderin' performance wise what would the gains be? I've installed liteweight udps before. also wonderin' bout ease of install as well? Any info appreciated. Thanks guys __________________ This vehicle is #2633 of a build of 4788 Born 05/29/2002

05-18-2006, 05:38 AM	#10
Reedicus26 TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 763	Re: Lightweight pulleys Some of the svt track guys would probably be interested in an oversized PS pump pulley. I would consider one of those if possible.

05-18-2006, 11:40 AM	#12
BlkThunder Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,381	Re: Lightweight pulleys the real advantage would be taking weight from the rotating assemblies in lower gears. So, first and second gear will "feel" better. but its not gonna be an overly drastic improvement in horsepower. I like to think of it as a nice compromise for those that dont want to do a flywheel right away. I figure since we have such a problem getting the car off the line, any little bit in those bottom gears'll help. anyone care to figure the weight savings from all the gears... at least 2.5 pounds from the crank... how much for the other two? __________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. There’s nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.... Portal for those that are socially awkward!!!

05-18-2006, 08:10 PM	#13
tjdean187 Rookie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6	Re: Lightweight pulleys my girl has a bone stock '01 SE, and I know she would like some added performance. She would love something along the lines of turbo, but that would be a huge expense and (newbie here!!) is that happening right now? Anywho, what other upgrades could be made to compliment the prospective buy of an underdrive pully set?

05-19-2006, 03:54 AM	#16
COSVT03 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 845	Re: Lightweight pulleys I dont care about 3 or 5 Spoke I care about LIGHTWEIGHT and same as stock sizes. That would be so awesome and am definantly in! (I know I was one of those inquiries ) __________________ #3052 of 3985

05-19-2006, 08:29 AM	#17
CaysE [FJ] This is worse than when the raccoon got caught in the copier! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 7,650	Re: Lightweight pulleys Discuss some ideas here: http://forums.focaljet.com/svt-headq...-interest.html __________________ 2008 Cannondale F4 ··· Hi-brite · no mods (yet) 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· hehehehehehe strictly/focused "It would take a miracle to make the entire Focus community get along. FF vs FJ, F-P vs FS, tuner vs tuner, racer vs ricer. What can you do?"

05-21-2006, 11:28 AM	#18
CaysE [FJ] This is worse than when the raccoon got caught in the copier! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 7,650	Re: Lightweight pulleys CFM (sorry, I don't know your name), would there be repurcussions by replacing the dampener with just a pulley on the crank? Is it possible to get a lightweight dampener? __________________ 2008 Cannondale F4 ··· Hi-brite · no mods (yet) 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· hehehehehehe strictly/focused "It would take a miracle to make the entire Focus community get along. FF vs FJ, F-P vs FS, tuner vs tuner, racer vs ricer. What can you do?"

05-21-2006, 11:51 PM	#20
CaysE [FJ] This is worse than when the raccoon got caught in the copier! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 7,650	Re: Lightweight pulleys Can you look into lightweight dampener options? __________________ 2008 Cannondale F4 ··· Hi-brite · no mods (yet) 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· hehehehehehe strictly/focused "It would take a miracle to make the entire Focus community get along. FF vs FJ, F-P vs FS, tuner vs tuner, racer vs ricer. What can you do?"

05-22-2006, 12:09 AM	#21
CFM Focus Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: www.c-f-m.com Posts: 1,506	Re: Lightweight pulleys That is like asking "can you make my car faster without it using more fuel?" Part of a dampeners "dampening" ability is to have mass that will absorb harmonic vibrations. I honestly don't think there is such thing as a light weight dampener but I'm not an engineer so how would I know. Most of the small block V8 dampeners are as heavy, if not heavier than stock. __________________ Central Florida Motorsports, Inc. - Since 1996 sales@c-f-m.com / NEW! Online Customer Service - Live Chat / 407.339.9211 / Subscribe to CFM Forum We match ALL advertised prices on products we carry! Our Latest Products / SVT Focus Parts Video of our 12 second Vortech Supercharged 1/4 mile Focus / Specs / Timeslip / Dyno .:Focus Showoff:. Picture and Video Gallery

05-22-2006, 08:54 AM	#22
CaysE [FJ] This is worse than when the raccoon got caught in the copier! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 7,650	Re: Lightweight pulleys I'll have to look into Fluidamper and other manufacturers for this. If I'm going for a stock setup, I'd rather still have the stock parts, honestly. Just lighter. Maybe the crank will be left out altogether. __________________ 2008 Cannondale F4 ··· Hi-brite · no mods (yet) 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· hehehehehehe strictly/focused "It would take a miracle to make the entire Focus community get along. FF vs FJ, F-P vs FS, tuner vs tuner, racer vs ricer. What can you do?"