Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears - Focaljet

**cfmfocus2** · 07-27-2006, 09:45 AM

We are now offering new zetec oil pumps with billet oil pump gears. This is a must for anyone looking to rev their engines over 7,400 rpms. The stock oil pump gears are know to fail at high rpms. If you are looking to rev your engine at high rpms, then this upgrade is for you. Visit our website today!

**Reza** · 07-27-2006, 12:02 PM

do you have a link?

Edit : never mind.

http://focus.c-f-m.com/index.asp?Pag...OD&ProdID=1184

how hard is it to change this bump?

**CFM Focus** · 07-27-2006, 01:44 PM

The amount of work is similar to a timing belt change. We will have details shortly.

**venomrogue** · 05-29-2007, 04:46 AM

does CFM still offer this product?

**cfmfocus2** · 05-29-2007, 12:18 PM

waiting for more billet oil pump gears to be made. No ETA at the moment.

**focus'N'SHO** · 05-29-2007, 10:51 PM

I'm very interested in one of these when you can get them again. I was thinking about getting mine cryotreated. But now I may not have to.

**venomrogue** · 05-30-2007, 03:17 PM

since we cant wait for this to come off backorder...

what is the difference between the ford racing version and the regular ford version of the oil pump?

**cfmfocus2** · 05-30-2007, 04:36 PM

No difference between ford racing and regular oil pumps.

The one in those post for $289.95 is the Ford racing oil pump with the billet oil pump gear, which is very different than stock.

If you end up getting a stock one, I would not recommend going over 7,400 rpms.

**venomrogue** · 05-30-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cfmfocus2

If you end up getting a stock one, I would not recommend going over 7,400 rpms.

yeah, tell my friend who raised his rev limiter to 7500 or 7600 then about 5 minutes later, proceeded to miss a gear and throw it into 2nd at around 95mph.

this is why we dont give Xcal2's with user programable interface to people who dont know how to drive.........

**David Anderson** · 05-30-2007, 05:15 PM

i was there...it wasnt pretty.

**JSSVT04** · 05-30-2007, 11:32 PM

how high can you rev them? i want to know more about this pump. i HAD thoughts about getting up in the 8 to 9k range. tell me more something

**focus'N'SHO** · 06-01-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JSSVT04

how high can you rev them? i want to know more about this pump. i HAD thoughts about getting up in the 8 to 9k range. tell me more something

same here. Or would it work to just get the gears in a stock one cryo treated?

**CFM Focus** · 06-01-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JSSVT04

how high can you rev them? i want to know more about this pump. i HAD thoughts about getting up in the 8 to 9k range. tell me more something

To be honest, I don't know if we'll ever have an answer to that. We don't plan on purposely destroying an engine to find out. We do know that the billet material being used is much stronger than the stock powder metal. We will be installing a set in one of the shop cars in the next couple of months. We plan on turning that engine in the 8,500 range.

**pure** · 06-01-2007, 01:35 AM

The pump is called a Gerotor , it has intermeshing gears , one inside the other . The oil is drawn in and Squeezed out the other side. The problem with the pump is the restrictions inside the housing . There's to much turbulence inside the pump to run at high RPM for very long . The turbulence sets the pump for cavitation at high RPM by creating a partial vacuum in the oil ... no oil pressure. The gears heat up and it's all over. The housing has a lot of sharp edges an flash that needs to be cleaned up to make it a High Flow Pump .. put stronger gears in there and your good to go.

**IslandFocus** · 06-04-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cfmfocus2

waiting for more billet oil pump gears to be made. No ETA at the moment.

So does this imply that you guys sold out on the first batch? Any feedback from customers?

**focus'N'SHO** · 06-05-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pure

The pump is called a Gerotor , it has intermeshing gears , one inside the other . The oil is drawn in and Squeezed out the other side. The problem with the pump is the restrictions inside the housing . There's to much turbulence inside the pump to run at high RPM for very long . The turbulence sets the pump for cavitation at high RPM by creating a partial vacuum in the oil ... no oil pressure. The gears heat up and it's all over. The housing has a lot of sharp edges an flash that needs to be cleaned up to make it a High Flow Pump .. put stronger gears in there and your good to go.

if they don't get more of these pumps out in time. I'm gonna look into getting the gears in a stock one cryotreated, and do some small cleaning up and smoothing out of edges on one

**pure** · 06-05-2007, 01:20 AM

The Inlet inside the housing needs work , the Outlet side in the chamber needs work. There's a 90* bend coming out that needs work. The Inlet on the front of the block needs work. You really need to clean all that up to get a high flow pump. The gears aren't the complete problem, but will definitely help. Without cleaning up the housing though you will still have an issue over time if not right away. I'm not sure if CFM cleans them up or not , seems to be working for them though. I didn't do much on mine on this motor but I'm de baiting on doing it so I can rev more .. if CFM has it already done in one simple product then it will make it just that much easier!

**MSpeedRacing** · 06-05-2007, 08:42 AM

Pure,
I looked at a stock pump today and saw no casting flash inside. There are some areas that could be opened up. Like you said the inlet looks rougher than the outlet. I thought about the cavitation issue you mentioned and wonder if it couldn't be caused by the placement of the HP relief valve dump location? At higher RPM I picture the same fluid just cycling and the temps rising. Not to mention the turbulence the relief fluid would cause. I think an external dump HP relief vavle would be better. Plug into the relief valve port and dump to the pan? This way only cooled oil would circulate once. Your thoughts?

**MSpeedRacing** · 06-05-2007, 08:12 PM

CFM is the only difference with your pump the gears?

**COSVT03** · 06-05-2007, 10:02 PM

I've revved mine to 9500rpm about 30 to 40 times for fun at the track, just had it apart awhile ago (3months) and it looked brand new. I beat on my car excessively. DailyDrive is 8500rpm when I really get into it.

**cfmfocus2** · 06-06-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by COSVT03

I've revved mine to 9500rpm about 30 to 40 times for fun at the track, just had it apart awhile ago (3months) and it looked brand new. I beat on my car excessively. DailyDrive is 8500rpm when I really get into it.

Someone would need to dyno their car to see if they benefit from running the engine up to 8,500 rpms.

**IslandFocus** · 06-06-2007, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COSVT03

I've revved mine to 9500rpm about 30 to 40 times for fun at the track, just had it apart awhile ago (3months) and it looked brand new. I beat on my car excessively. DailyDrive is 8500rpm when I really get into it.

Do you have the billet gears?

**pure** · 06-06-2007, 12:19 PM

MSpeed,
It's more of a Burr from dull tools . Feel around the bore holes for a rough edge , the metal gets rolled over instead of being clean. The idea is to make the Inlet on the inside blend into the body , remove all the sharp edges , enlarge the opening inside the housing . The Outlet side opening is bored at an angle and needs to be enlarged , blend it into the body , kind of like a funnel , no edges.
The 90* bore hole has a few steps in the bore that need to be removed , the bore can be enlarged a little. The Inlet on the front of the block needs to have a radius to funnel the flow.
I wouldn't worry about the relief valve , I don't think the pressure would ever get that high. If it's a problem , you just increase the spring pressure.
So you want to flare the openings inside , no edges ,all smooth transitions . I have had a few with flash , mostly a rolled edge burr from dull tools.

COSTV03
Hopefully thats a built engine your reving that high with because if it hasn't broken yet fatigue damage is setting in and it's just a waiting game. Even yet , like William said you would need to dyno it because I'll bet the power band dropped way before then and it's a waste of time and risk. Good luck with it though

**pocus** · 06-08-2007, 05:26 PM

I would not waste my time cryotreating the stock gears. They are a weak part that will still break even after haveing that done. I don't speak from experience on that but I have looked at the stock pump gears compaired to the billet pump gears which i have and there is a huge difference. I reved my car out a few times befor i put my blower on and the billet pump eld just fine up to the 9000 mark. there was a big drop in power from my setup however being that I set for boost and not NA. However a good sheetmetal intake manifold, a built engine w/ high flowing head and some good cams would really sceam in those upper rpms.

I really recommend the bullit gears for anyone that plans on going above 7400rpms or even 7000 on a consistant basis really.

07-27-2006, 09:45 AM	#1
cfmfocus2 Premier Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 941	Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears We are now offering new zetec oil pumps with billet oil pump gears. This is a must for anyone looking to rev their engines over 7,400 rpms. The stock oil pump gears are know to fail at high rpms. If you are looking to rev your engine at high rpms, then this upgrade is for you. Visit our website today! __________________ William - Sales Dept / Central Florida Motorsports, Inc. - Since 1996 william@c-f-m.com / Online Customer Service / 407.339.9211 We match ALL advertised prices on products we carry! Our Latest Products / SVT Focus Parts Video of our 12 second Vortech Supercharged 1/4 mile Focus / Engine Specs Come see our new show room!

07-27-2006, 12:02 PM	#2
Reza Formerly focus_wrc Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 8,508	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears do you have a link? Edit : never mind. http://focus.c-f-m.com/index.asp?Pag...OD&ProdID=1184 how hard is it to change this bump?

07-27-2006, 01:44 PM	#3
CFM Focus Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: www.c-f-m.com Posts: 1,506	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears The amount of work is similar to a timing belt change. We will have details shortly. __________________ Central Florida Motorsports, Inc. - Since 1996 sales@c-f-m.com / NEW! Online Customer Service - Live Chat / 407.339.9211 / Subscribe to CFM Forum We match ALL advertised prices on products we carry! Our Latest Products / SVT Focus Parts Video of our 12 second Vortech Supercharged 1/4 mile Focus / Specs / Timeslip / Dyno .:Focus Showoff:. Picture and Video Gallery

05-29-2007, 04:46 AM	#4
venomrogue Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,572	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears does CFM still offer this product? __________________ Old School: 2002 fully built Powerworks Zetec New Hotness: 2004 JRSC SVT soon to be Powerworks Parts by Karl @ Massive Speed System (www.massivespeedsystem.com) Tuning and porting by Mark @ Skidmark Racing (turbof150.com)

05-29-2007, 12:18 PM	#5
cfmfocus2 Premier Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 941	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears waiting for more billet oil pump gears to be made. No ETA at the moment. __________________ William - Sales Dept / Central Florida Motorsports, Inc. - Since 1996 william@c-f-m.com / Online Customer Service / 407.339.9211 We match ALL advertised prices on products we carry! Our Latest Products / SVT Focus Parts Video of our 12 second Vortech Supercharged 1/4 mile Focus / Engine Specs Come see our new show room!

05-29-2007, 10:51 PM	#6
focus'N'SHO Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Summitville,IN Posts: 91	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears I'm very interested in one of these when you can get them again. I was thinking about getting mine cryotreated. But now I may not have to. __________________ Matt. 2000 zx3 5spd, plenty of bolt ons, coming soon built h/c engine and nitrous. good weather car and playtoy. 1992 SHO MTX, red, leather, all stock. Current daily driver.

05-30-2007, 03:17 PM	#7
venomrogue Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,572	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears since we cant wait for this to come off backorder... what is the difference between the ford racing version and the regular ford version of the oil pump? __________________ Old School: 2002 fully built Powerworks Zetec New Hotness: 2004 JRSC SVT soon to be Powerworks Parts by Karl @ Massive Speed System (www.massivespeedsystem.com) Tuning and porting by Mark @ Skidmark Racing (turbof150.com)

05-30-2007, 04:36 PM	#8
cfmfocus2 Premier Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 941	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears No difference between ford racing and regular oil pumps. The one in those post for $289.95 is the Ford racing oil pump with the billet oil pump gear, which is very different than stock. If you end up getting a stock one, I would not recommend going over 7,400 rpms. __________________ William - Sales Dept / Central Florida Motorsports, Inc. - Since 1996 william@c-f-m.com / Online Customer Service / 407.339.9211 We match ALL advertised prices on products we carry! Our Latest Products / SVT Focus Parts Video of our 12 second Vortech Supercharged 1/4 mile Focus / Engine Specs Come see our new show room!

05-30-2007, 05:15 PM	#10
David Anderson David Anderson Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Irving, Tx Posts: 5,530	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears i was there...it wasnt pretty. __________________

05-30-2007, 11:32 PM	#11
JSSVT04 TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 636	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears how high can you rev them? i want to know more about this pump. i HAD thoughts about getting up in the 8 to 9k range. tell me more something __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jssvt04 http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85...%20Focus/1.jpg ooooo im at 6 lines hahahah

06-01-2007, 01:35 AM	#14
pure Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 61	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears The pump is called a Gerotor , it has intermeshing gears , one inside the other . The oil is drawn in and Squeezed out the other side. The problem with the pump is the restrictions inside the housing . There's to much turbulence inside the pump to run at high RPM for very long . The turbulence sets the pump for cavitation at high RPM by creating a partial vacuum in the oil ... no oil pressure. The gears heat up and it's all over. The housing has a lot of sharp edges an flash that needs to be cleaned up to make it a High Flow Pump .. put stronger gears in there and your good to go.

06-05-2007, 01:20 AM	#17
pure Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 61	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears The Inlet inside the housing needs work , the Outlet side in the chamber needs work. There's a 90* bend coming out that needs work. The Inlet on the front of the block needs work. You really need to clean all that up to get a high flow pump. The gears aren't the complete problem, but will definitely help. Without cleaning up the housing though you will still have an issue over time if not right away. I'm not sure if CFM cleans them up or not , seems to be working for them though. I didn't do much on mine on this motor but I'm de baiting on doing it so I can rev more .. if CFM has it already done in one simple product then it will make it just that much easier!

06-05-2007, 08:42 AM	#18
MSpeedRacing TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 393	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears Pure, I looked at a stock pump today and saw no casting flash inside. There are some areas that could be opened up. Like you said the inlet looks rougher than the outlet. I thought about the cavitation issue you mentioned and wonder if it couldn't be caused by the placement of the HP relief valve dump location? At higher RPM I picture the same fluid just cycling and the temps rising. Not to mention the turbulence the relief fluid would cause. I think an external dump HP relief vavle would be better. Plug into the relief valve port and dump to the pan? This way only cooled oil would circulate once. Your thoughts? __________________ AKA SRF Last edited by MSpeedRacing : 06-05-2007 at 08:04 PM.

06-05-2007, 08:12 PM	#19
MSpeedRacing TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 393	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears CFM is the only difference with your pump the gears? __________________ AKA SRF

06-05-2007, 10:02 PM	#20
COSVT03 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 845	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears I've revved mine to 9500rpm about 30 to 40 times for fun at the track, just had it apart awhile ago (3months) and it looked brand new. I beat on my car excessively. DailyDrive is 8500rpm when I really get into it. __________________ #3052 of 3985

06-06-2007, 12:19 PM	#23
pure Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 61	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears MSpeed, It's more of a Burr from dull tools . Feel around the bore holes for a rough edge , the metal gets rolled over instead of being clean. The idea is to make the Inlet on the inside blend into the body , remove all the sharp edges , enlarge the opening inside the housing . The Outlet side opening is bored at an angle and needs to be enlarged , blend it into the body , kind of like a funnel , no edges. The 90* bore hole has a few steps in the bore that need to be removed , the bore can be enlarged a little. The Inlet on the front of the block needs to have a radius to funnel the flow. I wouldn't worry about the relief valve , I don't think the pressure would ever get that high. If it's a problem , you just increase the spring pressure. So you want to flare the openings inside , no edges ,all smooth transitions . I have had a few with flash , mostly a rolled edge burr from dull tools. COSTV03 Hopefully thats a built engine your reving that high with because if it hasn't broken yet fatigue damage is setting in and it's just a waiting game. Even yet , like William said you would need to dyno it because I'll bet the power band dropped way before then and it's a waste of time and risk. Good luck with it though

06-08-2007, 05:26 PM	#24
pocus Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Janesville WI Posts: 1,317	Re: Oil Pump with billet oil pump gears I would not waste my time cryotreating the stock gears. They are a weak part that will still break even after haveing that done. I don't speak from experience on that but I have looked at the stock pump gears compaired to the billet pump gears which i have and there is a huge difference. I reved my car out a few times befor i put my blower on and the billet pump eld just fine up to the 9000 mark. there was a big drop in power from my setup however being that I set for boost and not NA. However a good sheetmetal intake manifold, a built engine w/ high flowing head and some good cams would really sceam in those upper rpms. I really recommend the bullit gears for anyone that plans on going above 7400rpms or even 7000 on a consistant basis really. __________________ 358whp and 335TQ-23psi-93oct. New E85 build in progress.