"We can't stop here, this is turbo country." NA timeslip inside

[Egz]

No boost, no juice
13.967@100.88



And I can back that up with a 14.002. Glad I drove a couple of hours to the track last night. Had a good time with other Focus owners, despite it being a little brisk outside.

Now I definately need those bigger cams, and maybe some juice.

[polarisman14]

You're cheating, you've got the duratec :-p excellent times man, kicking myself for doing all the work i've done to the zetec lol...

--Matt--

[sleeperlove]

What kind of tires were you running joe?

[Dukman]

And that being a little brisk probably helped as well.

Good timeslip though.

[Egz]

Originally Posted by sleeperlove

What kind of tires were you running joe?

They were some old worn out R-compounds that haven't corded yet. I forget what brand.

[UltegraSTI]

gj joe, great to see some of the old guys still flyin the flag. and not in ur discipline of choice too!!!

1 day i'll return

R

PS-people callin u out, jokingly or not, feels kinda cool eh. i know.

[Duder]

Nice numbers... N/A to boot.

[arty]

Egz,
have you added any go fast tuning since you posted the 201 HP?
Do you know what your car weighs.
The 60' time is about what I turn. My best time is 15.2 with 92 mph

[Egz]

No changes to the engine since that dyno run. Well, my rear resonator fell off of the car half-way through the evening. (But the 14.002 was before that happened). Slip-joint just separated, and was easily fixed when I got home.

When I was at VIR, the car weighed around 2600 pounds with a full tank. At the strip, I had about 1/4 tank. I add about 175, depending on the meal I ate prior.

Your car should have a lot more than a 15.2 in it. The wagon weight doesn't help, but it shouldn't be all because of that. Has the engine been tested recently?

[focusownerskid]

Arty,

That MPH is bolt Duratec territory, it should be doing much better than that.

Are you running the tach out to 7K? The lightweight flywheel means you need to no-lift shift or rip off some quick shifts to properly maintain driveline inertia.

Example;

NA FocusSport catalog ZX3 ala MurphMobile(alum. fly);

14.6 @ 95mph w/ no lift shifting

15.2 @92mph w/ lift off quick shifts.

Same day. Same track.

- Drew

[polarisman14]

not to thread jack, but what do you mean by no lift? just not letting off the gas between shifts? if thats the case couldnt it damage things pinging it off the redline?

[focusownerskid]

I've never shifted slow enough to hit the limiter between shifts w/o lifting.

Or if I am, it's not there long enough to notice. I'm in the next gear within 1 tick of the limiter.

Now, laying it on the limiter while spinning through 1st/2nd, while waiting for the car to catch up w/ the driveline, that's a whole different case of bananas

- Drew

[polarisman14]

Sounds good. The issue with my setup is that my redline is at 7200 and I typically shift at about 7000-7100. I just didnt think 200 or less rpms was enough time to shift, especially with the UDP and lightened flywheel aiding the engine in revving up that much quicker. My rpms don't drop when I shift anyway because I can nail them pretty good, but I'll try the no-lift method for argument's sake when I'm at the track next. Thanks for the advice.

[arty]

Originally Posted by Egz

No changes to the engine since that dyno run. Well, my rear
When I was at VIR, the car weighed around 2600 pounds with a full tank. At the strip, I had about 1/4 tank. I add about 175, depending on the meal I ate prior.

Your car should have a lot more than a 15.2 in it. The wagon weight doesn't help, but it shouldn't be all because of that. Has the engine been tested recently?

Engine dyno gave me 197 HP at 7000. Just missed the 200 HP club. I was shifting at 7500+. I was running the quarter in 3rd at about 7500 and 92 MPH. Shiufting earlier was slower and 4th gear added to ET. I have been afraid to shift w/o lifting. Afraid to miss a shift or break something. I guess I need to see it done and or, practice. Street tires will spin a lot so just a 2.2-2.3 - 60ft. time. I was very disappointed with the new engine since I ran15.5-15.6 at 90 mph with the stage 2 Cosworth and stock internals.

Weight could be a big factor but can't see an extra 500 lbs. Anyone have a curb weight comparison?

It will have to wait till spring since we have winter in NE Ohio.

[Egz]

Really odd. I only have 3.82 gears, and shifting at/near redline, I had to go to 4th before the trap.

[focusownerskid]

Originally Posted by polarisman14

Sounds good. The issue with my setup is that my redline is at 7200 and I typically shift at about 7000-7100. I just didnt think 200 or less rpms was enough time to shift, especially with the UDP and lightened flywheel aiding the engine in revving up that much quicker. My rpms don't drop when I shift anyway because I can nail them pretty good, but I'll try the no-lift method for argument's sake when I'm at the track next. Thanks for the advice.

With forced induction I can see the difference being minimal.

With a sensitive NA motor like the Zetec, it is a requirement w/ a lightweight flywheel.

As for shift point/rev limit, my limiter was 7,200rpm and that's where I shifted, no noticeable rev limiter bounce(although i'm sure there was atleast one tick), as the shift got done and got done quick.

- Drew

[starfuryt550]

very nice times!!

[arty]

Originally Posted by Egz

Really odd. I only have 3.82 gears, and shifting at/near redline, I had to go to 4th before the trap.

Not really - see diff of 92 and 100 mph

[focusownerskid]

On a built bottom end w/ Cossie cams, you should be around 210whp, not 197 crank.



- Drew

[arty]

[quote=focusownerskid]On a built bottom end w/ Cossie cams, you should be around 210whp, not 197 crank.

The 197 was whp, Drew. Torque was only anout 150 and dropped slightly at 6500-7000

[focusownerskid]

I'm sorry arty, you worded it 'engine dyno' and I assumed literally.

Then, at that point, all that it could be is weight and gearing.

Unless, you possibly have a faulty CTS(coolant) and/or something off in the cooling system.

In that case, if you are getting a tad warm, the ECU will pull timing and you will lose power top side.

- Drew

[arty]

Drew,
How do test for a faulty coolant sensor CTS? On the 1st dyno run power was off about 5% - not a hot day. Power was like 185 whp. After cooling down. Power was up to 195-197whp.

Running 4.06 gears with a torsen, alum FW. Gears did not help much from 3.42? OEM in the 1/4 mi. Feels quick on the street.

[Egz]

Can't be the tires; seeing how your trap speed is relative to your ET. Had you been turning a 15@100, I would say it was traction, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

It can't be weight, since it was only a 200 pound difference between them stock.

[arty]

Originally Posted by Egz

Can't be the tires; seeing how your trap speed is relative to your ET. Had you been turning a 15@100, I would say it was traction, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

It can't be weight, since it was only a 200 pound difference between them stock.

Wow only 200 lbs difference - that should only be about .2 of a second and 1-2 mph. Somethings not working right.

When I went to the drag strip and only picked up 2 mph I called Walter M about the tune. We talked but he had no explaination. He thought the 2.3 - 60 ft time was slow. I know my shifting is granny style but quick but I am lifting.
I Could be losing top end power at the track. Not sure where to look. May need to spend more time on the dyno for some tuning.

I will install the Cosworth stage 2 cams in spring to see what happens. The cold weather has my car in the garage till spring. We use too much road salt here to drive this baby now.

Anyone care to offer opinions?

[Egz]

Thought of something. Possibility of the clutch slipping?