holy *%*$% Cosworth info inside - Focaljet

**blueovalbaboon** · 08-20-1999, 04:52 AM

I hope you're right naz, cuz then thd s2000 and its claim to 120 bhp'L can eat my ass <img scc="/ubbthreads/amages/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> and we'll have enough torque to ctomp it into the ground&

**moshaholic2** · 11-20-2003, 12:34 PM

Well, I emailed them, this is the the response:

Thank you for your enquiry about the Duratec Cylinder Head that
Cosworth is developing as a performance after-market part. For your
information, this head is going to be part of a performance upgrade kit of parts
that Cosworth is developing. The kit will include the head, 'Power By
Cosworth' inlet manifold, inlet/exhaust cams, larger valves, valve
springs, forged piston and connecting rods as well as a recalibration of
the existing ECU. Whilst the kit is still very much in development, we
aim to achieve 100bhp increase over the standard engine without
resorting to forced induction and the increased weight of a turbo/supercharger.

The kit of parts is still being developed and as such is not currently
available. We aim to launch the upgrade kit (in conjunction with Ford)
at the International Auto Salon (2-4 April 2004, Los Angeles Convention
Centre) at which point we will be taking orders through Cosworth Racing
Inc at the following address:

Cosworth Racing Inc.
3031 Fujita St
Torrance
CA 90505

Tel 310 534 1390

In the meantime you will be able to see some of the development parts
on show on Cosworth's stand at the Performance Racing Industry Show next
month. Alternatively, please keep your eye on our website, for further
details as they become available.

Best Regards,

Simon Danton
Commercial Manager - Sales
Cosworth Racing Ltd

Tel +44 1604 598650
Fax +44 1604 598656

www.cosworth.com <http://www.cosworth.com>

**Chezterr** · 11-20-2003, 01:01 PM

Whats amazing about that 100bhp estimate/goal, is that it is probably attainable.

I just wonder what a kit like that will cost? $2000-$3000 more than likely. But not a bad price considering the gains....

Nikolas

**Matt Wells** · 11-20-2003, 01:13 PM

I wonder if it will work with the PZEV version. The ECU upgrade might cause problems with the govt. etc. They might just have it for the non-pzev version in 05.

**Egz** · 11-20-2003, 01:45 PM

Cool. So I guess parts won't be availible individually.

**slidemaster** · 11-20-2003, 01:49 PM

Quote:

I wonder if it will work with the PZEV version. The ECU upgrade might cause problems with the govt. etc. They might just have it for the non-pzev version in 05.

Talked to them at sema....they had the parts there....ztech.....talked to them about pzev...most of them were from england and looked at me with a glazed over look....they will be working on the new block...but the guys I met..were not in the know

**blueovalbaboon** · 11-20-2003, 01:58 PM

I think i'll start drooling now thank you very much.

Same power as a stang GT. WOOHOOo

**aerostudent** · 11-20-2003, 02:17 PM

(agent smith maniacal laughter)

this thing is going to be a beast, it will probably be possible to get close to 300hp n/a.

**nazthug** · 11-20-2003, 02:28 PM

lol you guys have no idea what you have in store for you 2.3 people, fortunately I do, and it actually makes me want to swap a 2.3 and ditch the turbo and do NA because i am fortunate enough to know what is about to come, and cosworth is gonna have some nice toys for you, as well as other here locally in the states

Lets just say 300hp will be easily achievable with the right parts, NA, and thats awesome

**aerostudent** · 11-20-2003, 02:54 PM

I love the fact that we are going to be able to produce power n/a. The zetec guys are having nightmares trying to get 200hp. This engine is quite a little beast.

**Andy Smith** · 11-20-2003, 10:40 PM

I'll believe it when i see it...but it certainly sounds sweet! 250bhp would be sweet though, something like 200whp n/a would be about what i'd want to put down at the maximum in a fwd...maybe if i win the lottery or something i'll invest in the cosworth parts. I'll stick to bolt ons until then

**seanmc** · 11-21-2003, 12:46 AM

Great googly-moogly. This is good.

<begins search for wife-proof offshore bank account>

**Del** · 11-21-2003, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Great googly-moogly. This is good.

<begins search for wife-proof offshore bank account>

Oh damn!! That was some funny [censored]. Unfortunately, I can relate.

**StickShifter** · 11-21-2003, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Great googly-moogly. This is good.

<begins search for wife-proof offshore bank account>

Oh damn!! That was some funny [censored]. Unfortunately, I can relate.

...This is why Im glad Im 'single' ...Three chicks who dont know each other, and if any of them doesnt like me spending money on my car; then 'buhbye'...

**NUIpIsqo** · 11-21-2003, 02:01 AM

peeing in pants...

**Chezterr** · 11-21-2003, 02:09 AM

The next questions would be is the 100bhp package going to be streetable. I would have to lean towards, "no". I will assume the forged pistons raise the CR and the combination of CR, Cams, and CPU tweaks, will require much higher than 93 octane to run. Hopefully they releases different levels of these "bolt-on" packages that daily driven vehicles can use.

Nikolas

**Peloton25** · 11-21-2003, 02:16 AM

Yeah - I too was thinking that the drivability on a 100hp head upgrade package wouldn't be the best unless you were hammering on it all the time. With that much power under the right foot, there's no way you could safely do that so...

It does seem great that there's some really cool stuff on the horizon though. I can tell you that I'd much rather build up a normally aspirated beast than fiddle with any kind of compression. I'm all for tuning a car that starts out as a turbo, but building one up that has no turbo to begin with doesn't much interest me.

>8^)
ER

**Andy Smith** · 11-21-2003, 10:42 AM

The way i see it, if it goes through, it'll basically turn into the s2000 eninge. It's believable, and possible...but would low 14's be worth $3000 to someone?

**cen** · 11-21-2003, 04:28 PM

you would be putting down mid 13's easily with that... maybe even low...

**Andy Smith** · 11-21-2003, 08:20 PM

Quote:

you would be putting down mid 13's easily with that... maybe even low...

I extremely doubt it. Naz put down 230whp. No way will this kit get that...they said only 100bhp with losses that's only 199whp. That car will trap around a 100 or so, and run low 14's. Sorry kids.

**CharlesWA** · 11-21-2003, 08:28 PM

The cost on this is going to be way up there I suspect. Rods, pistons, head, cams, valvetrain, intake manifold, re-working everything (including the ECU)... And that's before the labor to install it all (either your own or paying someone to do it -- including pulling the engine out of the car if the cylinders need any bore work done

).

So 145 HP (or so stock, right?) plus 100 HP minus 10%-20% driveline loss (pick your favorite number) is anywhere from 200 to 225 HP at the wheels? Probably more cost effective for me to keep my '00 ZX3 and get a decent turbo kit and tuning to make that kind of power.

Probably more torque with a turbo too.

Still, glad to see that Cosworth is taking interest in something aftermarket that's relativley consumer-grade. Hopefully this is just the first step to getting some sort of Focus Cosworth from the factory from Ford NORTH AMERICA.

**Andy Smith** · 11-21-2003, 08:33 PM

My quick cost-benefit analysis tells me sticking to i/h/e and pulley for the high 14 and 160-165 whp is the best combo for me. After that things get too damn pricey. I'm curious to see how cams will be for this thing still. Those that want to sink their bank accounts into the focus, I'm excited to see where you get this thing.

**CharlesWA** · 11-21-2003, 08:36 PM

[non-related info]
I talked to Crower at SEMA and they said they're working on some cams for the new motors.

They also had some valves sitting there, but I think those were for the ZETEC (at least initially).
[/non-related info]

**MarcyMotorsport** · 11-21-2003, 10:37 PM

**240ZX34V8** · 11-22-2003, 01:37 AM

Working on engines are easy, it's just time consuming. I'd actually rather do work on the stock head and see what kind of gains would come out of that instead of forking over money paying for a name. There's already high compression pistons. All that's needed now are hotter cams and bigger valves. I'll write COSWORTH on your valve cover with magic marker for $500 if that's all that matters.

08-20-1999, 04:52 AM	#1
blueovalbaboon Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX (my once and future--but not right now--home Posts: 16,116	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* I hope you're right naz, cuz then thd s2000 and its claim to 120 bhp'L can eat my ass <img scc="/ubbthreads/amages/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> and we'll have enough torque to ctomp it into the ground&

11-20-2003, 12:34 PM	#2
moshaholic2 TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 682	*holy %$% Cosworth info inside* Well, I emailed them, this is the the response: Thank you for your enquiry about the Duratec Cylinder Head that Cosworth is developing as a performance after-market part. For your information, this head is going to be part of a performance upgrade kit of parts that Cosworth is developing. The kit will include the head, 'Power By Cosworth' inlet manifold, inlet/exhaust cams, larger valves, valve springs, forged piston and connecting rods as well as a recalibration of the existing ECU. Whilst the kit is still very much in development, we aim to achieve 100bhp increase over the standard engine without resorting to forced induction and the increased weight of a turbo/supercharger. The kit of parts is still being developed and as such is not currently available. We aim to launch the upgrade kit (in conjunction with Ford) at the International Auto Salon (2-4 April 2004, Los Angeles Convention Centre) at which point we will be taking orders through Cosworth Racing Inc at the following address: Cosworth Racing Inc. 3031 Fujita St Torrance CA 90505 Tel 310 534 1390 In the meantime you will be able to see some of the development parts on show on Cosworth's stand at the Performance Racing Industry Show next month. Alternatively, please keep your eye on our website, for further details as they become available. Best Regards, Simon Danton Commercial Manager - Sales Cosworth Racing Ltd Tel +44 1604 598650 Fax +44 1604 598656 www.cosworth.com <http://www.cosworth.com>

11-20-2003, 01:01 PM	#3
Chezterr TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 461	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* Whats amazing about that 100bhp estimate/goal, is that it is probably attainable. I just wonder what a kit like that will cost? $2000-$3000 more than likely. But not a bad price considering the gains.... Nikolas

11-20-2003, 01:13 PM	#4
Matt Wells TEAM Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: \"In a van...down by the RIVER!\" (WV) Posts: 130	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* I wonder if it will work with the PZEV version. The ECU upgrade might cause problems with the govt. etc. They might just have it for the non-pzev version in 05.

11-20-2003, 01:45 PM	#5
Egz Moderator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Tappahannock, VA Posts: 19,446	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* Cool. So I guess parts won't be availible individually.

11-20-2003, 01:58 PM	#7
blueovalbaboon Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX (my once and future--but not right now--home Posts: 16,116	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* I think i'll start drooling now thank you very much. Same power as a stang GT. WOOHOOo

11-20-2003, 02:17 PM	#8
aerostudent Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 2,690	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* (agent smith maniacal laughter) this thing is going to be a beast, it will probably be possible to get close to 300hp n/a.

11-20-2003, 02:28 PM	#9
nazthug [FJ] Addict Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: san ramon, ca, usa Posts: 14,215	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* lol you guys have no idea what you have in store for you 2.3 people, fortunately I do, and it actually makes me want to swap a 2.3 and ditch the turbo and do NA because i am fortunate enough to know what is about to come, and cosworth is gonna have some nice toys for you, as well as other here locally in the states Lets just say 300hp will be easily achievable with the right parts, NA, and thats awesome

11-20-2003, 02:54 PM	#10
aerostudent Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 2,690	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* I love the fact that we are going to be able to produce power n/a. The zetec guys are having nightmares trying to get 200hp. This engine is quite a little beast.

11-20-2003, 10:40 PM	#11
Andy Smith Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Portland, ME Posts: 2,948	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* I'll believe it when i see it...but it certainly sounds sweet! 250bhp would be sweet though, something like 200whp n/a would be about what i'd want to put down at the maximum in a fwd...maybe if i win the lottery or something i'll invest in the cosworth parts. I'll stick to bolt ons until then

11-21-2003, 12:46 AM	#12
seanmc Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Mount Airy, MD Posts: 2,034	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* Great googly-moogly. This is good. <begins search for wife-proof offshore bank account>

11-21-2003, 02:01 AM	#15
NUIpIsqo TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 964	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* peeing in pants...

11-21-2003, 02:09 AM	#16
Chezterr TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 461	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* The next questions would be is the 100bhp package going to be streetable. I would have to lean towards, "no". I will assume the forged pistons raise the CR and the combination of CR, Cams, and CPU tweaks, will require much higher than 93 octane to run. Hopefully they releases different levels of these "bolt-on" packages that daily driven vehicles can use. Nikolas

11-21-2003, 02:16 AM	#17
Peloton25 Mr Know-It-All Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Moorpark, CA USA Posts: 21,808	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* Yeah - I too was thinking that the drivability on a 100hp head upgrade package wouldn't be the best unless you were hammering on it all the time. With that much power under the right foot, there's no way you could safely do that so... It does seem great that there's some really cool stuff on the horizon though. I can tell you that I'd much rather build up a normally aspirated beast than fiddle with any kind of compression. I'm all for tuning a car that starts out as a turbo, but building one up that has no turbo to begin with doesn't much interest me. >8^) ER

11-21-2003, 10:42 AM	#18
Andy Smith Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Portland, ME Posts: 2,948	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* The way i see it, if it goes through, it'll basically turn into the s2000 eninge. It's believable, and possible...but would low 14's be worth $3000 to someone?

11-21-2003, 04:28 PM	#19
cen Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cincy, Ohio Posts: 1,300	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* you would be putting down mid 13's easily with that... maybe even low...

11-21-2003, 08:28 PM	#21
CharlesWA Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Woodinville, WA, USA Posts: 9,953	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* The cost on this is going to be way up there I suspect. Rods, pistons, head, cams, valvetrain, intake manifold, re-working everything (including the ECU)... And that's before the labor to install it all (either your own or paying someone to do it -- including pulling the engine out of the car if the cylinders need any bore work done ). So 145 HP (or so stock, right?) plus 100 HP minus 10%-20% driveline loss (pick your favorite number) is anywhere from 200 to 225 HP at the wheels? Probably more cost effective for me to keep my '00 ZX3 and get a decent turbo kit and tuning to make that kind of power. Probably more torque with a turbo too. Still, glad to see that Cosworth is taking interest in something aftermarket that's relativley consumer-grade. Hopefully this is just the first step to getting some sort of Focus Cosworth from the factory from Ford NORTH AMERICA.

11-21-2003, 08:33 PM	#22
Andy Smith Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Portland, ME Posts: 2,948	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* My quick cost-benefit analysis tells me sticking to i/h/e and pulley for the high 14 and 160-165 whp is the best combo for me. After that things get too damn pricey. I'm curious to see how cams will be for this thing still. Those that want to sink their bank accounts into the focus, I'm excited to see where you get this thing.

11-21-2003, 08:36 PM	#23
CharlesWA Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Woodinville, WA, USA Posts: 9,953	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* [non-related info] I talked to Crower at SEMA and they said they're working on some cams for the new motors. They also had some valves sitting there, but I think those were for the ZETEC (at least initially). [/non-related info]

11-21-2003, 10:37 PM	#24
MarcyMotorsport Former Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: On the Dyno... Posts: 1,553	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* . Last edited by MarcyMotorsport : 06-15-2007 at 10:00 PM.

11-22-2003, 01:37 AM	#25
240ZX34V8 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: WNY Posts: 1,108	*Re: holy %$% Cosworth info inside* Working on engines are easy, it's just time consuming. I'd actually rather do work on the stock head and see what kind of gains would come out of that instead of forking over money paying for a name. There's already high compression pistons. All that's needed now are hotter cams and bigger valves. I'll write COSWORTH on your valve cover with magic marker for $500 if that's all that matters.

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