FocusSport 2.0/2.3 litre Duratec turbo kits - pics, dyno, & video!

[FocusSportVP]

zx3punk,
Right, we don't have a foundry at the shop. I should have pointed that out.

[FocusSportVP]

Um, yes please.

7-8psi is looking OK on the fusion? Same internals as the Focus 2.3?

Yes, 7-8 psi is looking good for our non intercooled turbo kit. I don't think we'll go with much more boost ( if any ) since it's non intercooled. We wanted to do this in affordable steps to get people started. We think the $2500 - $3000 price is pretty attractive. Do you agree?

[Croc_Tease!]

Yes, 7-8 psi is looking good for our non intercooled turbo kit. I don't think we'll go with much more boost ( if any ) since it's non intercooled. We wanted to do this in affordable steps to get people started. We think the $2500 - $3000 price is pretty attractive. Do you agree?

It's quite attractive indeed!!

[Revo]

Question: How come FS never produced a turbo kit for the zetec?

i think at 2500-3000$ many would buy, especially if this was a couple years ago, as this is a couple years since the starting of the duratec's production.

dont get me wrong i like the super charger you guys produced and i'm actually saving for one at the moment, but i think the upgrade-ability for a turbo kit is much more. for example with a turbo kit all u need is a boost controller to up the psi, not a new pulley and belt.

maybe make slight changes to the duratec manifold and piping and produce a zetec kit shortly after? i would definitly buy from focussport

[FocusSTGuy]

i would love making my car turbo

[scott77]

The charge piping for a zetec kit is MUCH different--the engines are flipped.

[Revo]

regardless i doubt the $$$ for different charge piping is not going to cost so much more that is is production hindering.

[scott77]

How long do you think it takes to design, weld, test fit, fix small issues, reweld, test fit again, etc?

What do you think takes so long in designing a kit from scratch? You don't have to build the turbo--it's already done. Log-style manifolds are pretty straightforward to make.

You can't just slap some [censored] on there and call it a day. There are optimal and suboptimal ways to run it, among other considerations.

I mean look at how long it takes OCC to build [censored] for their bikes on TV. It's not much different...

[suarezrh]

I'm definitely interested. It's nice to see more than 1 company ready to release a kit. We have been waiting for awhile to see some big mods like this. If you can keep it in that price range with a good amount of HP gain you have mentioned, that sounds like a winner.

[FocusSportVP]

Question: How come FS never produced a turbo kit for the zetec?

i think at 2500-3000$ many would buy, especially if this was a couple years ago, as this is a couple years since the starting of the duratec's production.

dont get me wrong i like the super charger you guys produced and i'm actually saving for one at the moment, but i think the upgrade-ability for a turbo kit is much more. for example with a turbo kit all u need is a boost controller to up the psi, not a new pulley and belt.

maybe make slight changes to the duratec manifold and piping and produce a zetec kit shortly after? i would definitly buy from focussport

There was a time when we were going to do a Zetec turbo kit, but 2 things stopped us.

1. That was back when proper tuning wasn't really available and the cost of stand alone just didn't make sense for the masses.

2. We wanted to use a cast manifold and at the time the prices we were getting for tooling was thru the roof.

I wouldn't mind doing a Zetec turbo now, but I think the Zetec market is a little crowded and will start to slow down soon.

[Focused]

There was a time when we were going to do a Zetec turbo kit, but 2 things stopped us.

1. That was back when proper tuning wasn't really available and the cost of stand alone just didn't make sense for the masses.

2. We wanted to use a cast manifold and at the time the prices we were getting for tooling was thru the roof.

I wouldn't mind doing a Zetec turbo now, but I think the Zetec market is a little crowded and will start to slow down soon.

I disagree! Considering all the positive PR surrounding FS at the moment, I think an FS brand Zetec turbo setup would be a hit. If price and options are right - which is more than likely if pricing follows the FS/VF eng and FS Werks structure - and the quality is there - which it will be if past FS products are any indication - I think a multitude would lean toward an FS zetec turbo, especially turbo guys.

While there are many well-executed FI setups available right now, such as the PWorks and FS/VF eng. superchargers, I don't really consider any of the available turbo setups to be outstanding among the rest. Now, we all know that there are turbo fanboys and supercharger guys. It's just preference. But, no turbo kit - precision, roush, focus-power, etc. - stands out from the other; all have pros and cons. From a consumer standpoint, I don't see any one being significantly better overall than the others.

I honestly believe an FS Zetec turbo would gain traction in a way no other kit has up until now.

Do it! Do it! Do it!

[focuspl99]

I disagree! Considering all the positive PR surrounding FS at the moment, I think an FS brand Zetec turbo setup would be a hit. If price and options are right - which is more than likely if pricing follows the FS/VF eng and FS Werks structure - and the quality is there - which it will be if past FS products are any indication - I think a multitude would lean toward an FS zetec turbo, especially turbo guys.

While there are many well-executed FI setups available right now, such as the PWorks and FS/VF eng. superchargers, I don't really consider any of the available turbo setups to be outstanding among the rest. Now, we all know that there are turbo fanboys and supercharger guys. It's just preference. But, no turbo kit - precision, roush, focus-power, etc. - stands out from the other; all have pros and cons. From a consumer standpoint, I don't see any one being significantly better overall than the others.

I honestly believe an FS Zetec turbo would gain traction in a way no other kit has up until now.

Do it! Do it! Do it!

question for you.... yo dont think TOMS stage 1 kit is any good? and the pricing is right there with the VF STG II and cheaper then the PW SC kit..... i think he's proven his worth and reliability in the focusturbo world

randy... as much as i'd like to see you guys make a zetec turbo kit i wont feel bad if you dont...the market, like you said, is almost gone and there are already so many good FI options out for the zetec

[Focused]

question for you.... yo dont think TOMS stage 1 kit is any good? and the pricing is right there with the VF STG II and cheaper then the PW SC kit..... i think he's proven his worth and reliability in the focusturbo world

randy... as much as i'd like to see you guys make a zetec turbo kit i wont feel bad if you dont...the market, like you said, is almost gone and there are already so many good FI options out for the zetec

Maybe I just like the FocusSport brandname better...

Seriously though, like I said, if FS were to price it competitively, as well as offer the right options, an FS turbo kit would just work, both in terms of marketability and performance. We all know FS has the capability of putting down decent numbers, but more valuable to me is their usage of quality parts and products, as well as their commitment to make their product work. I just trust the efficiency, knowledge, experience, and overall standards of FocusSport as a business. And I know there are many who feel the same.

I hate to sound like I'm brown-nosing, as I don't like the smell, but I honestly feel an FS zetec turbo would be good for the Focus community as a whole.

[Cameroon]

I can see where Randy is coming from with the zetec kit.

Currently you have 4 turbo kits,
FocusPower (aka Tom) has two
Precision
Roush

There are also 5 Supercharger kits.
Jackson Racing
Vortec
Procharger
Powerworks
VF/FocusSport

For a 5 year old car thats an crazy number of choices.

Make an actual sales case and I'm sure FS would be all over it.

For the I wish so and so would make such and such crowd... sorry.

The market is dictated by real money changing hands, not a bunch of geeks on the internet wishing for something most of us will never actually buy.

[Focused]

I can see where Randy is coming from with the zetec kit.

Currently you have 4 turbo kits,
FocusPower (aka Tom) has two
Precision
Roush

There are also 5 Supercharger kits.
Jackson Racing
Vortec
Procharger
Powerworks
VF/FocusSport

For a 5 year old car thats an crazy number of choices.

Make an actual sales case and I'm sure FS would be all over it.

For the I wish so and so would make such and such crowd... sorry.

The market is dictated by real money changing hands, not a bunch of geeks on the internet wishing for something most of us will never actually buy.

Are you insinuating something?

Anyway, I understand the point. Though, as I said, I firmly believe a FS turbo kit would be a benefit for both consumers and FS, as opposed to a loss. Their reputation and known quality, not to mention their service and real, consistant communication here on FJ, help sway alot of potential customers into becoming actual purchasers of FS products.

If FS were to price their turbo setup similiarly to the FS/VF Eng. supercharger kit, and proposed FS Werks kit, they'd have a very competitively priced turbo, with a reputation to support it. The only turbo setup in its price range would be Tom's stage 1.

[orangeZXT]

dont forget

Gude

[scott77]

Anyway, I understand the point. Though, as I said, I firmly believe a FS turbo kit would be a benefit for both consumers and FS, as opposed to a loss. Their reputation and known quality, not to mention their service and real, consistant communication here on FJ, help sway alot of potential customers into becoming actual purchasers of FS products.

If FS were to price their turbo setup similiarly to the FS/VF Eng. supercharger kit, and proposed FS Werks kit, they'd have a very competitively priced turbo, with a reputation to support it. The only turbo setup in its price range would be Tom's stage 1.

I'm talking out of my ass here as I obviously don't really know, but regardless...

I was somewhat intrigued by the fact that FS even announced the supercharger kit at all. It would seem to me that with the new platform, the Zetec market is going to wane if it has not already begun. Because of this I wouldn't imagine that there would be enough of a realistic demand for such an option, especially considering that most people seem to lack the ability to back up their vocal support for these kits with their pocketbook.

It is such a niche market when compared to the likes of Honda and Nissan tuning platforms. I just don't see there being much demand for it in the next 2-3 years.

I don't expect (and I'm not asking--it's none of my business ) anyone to confirm my theories at all, but it just doesn't add up to me.

I hope this is in no way taken as an attempt to say anything negative about them, because I think they're a good business. Randy & the gang obviously understand our needs and want to do what they can to meet them. That is a pretty big deal in a capitalistic society such as ours and I think any business/businessperson doing that should be appreciated.

[tin_maddog]

Well, I think that the above posts stating that a turbo for the Zetec would take off, are right.

The main reason? Two words: Focus Resale Value and Used Market.

The Focus, I feel, will take off in a few years the way economy Hondas have. These are cheaper off of a used car lot. You can buy a 15 year old civic for the same price you can buy a 3 year old Focus. Price related to "newness" is attractive to young kids wanting their first car.

Also, Zetecs are the predominant engine, and many people w/ Foci have children (not just our current Jetters, either). That is a market that, in a few years, will possibly want to tune the car mom and dad let them drive and which will eventually be their own car.

I think to stop working on parts for a discontinued engine may not be the best idea. Of course, I'm sure FS guys watch the cost of mass producing these parts compared to average monthly sales (or whatever) to know better than I, but look at how many cars have many years and many miles on them and are JUST NOW getting modified.

BTW, I could care less as this whole thread doesn't apply to me unless it'll fit the Mazda 3. If it does, we'll hold off on the supercharger and get the FS turbo.

Yang

[orangeZXT]

very nice post Tin well said

[scott77]

Mmmm, a 150k civic engine will keep running a lot stronger than a 150k Zetec.

[Focused]

Well, I think that the above posts stating that a turbo for the Zetec would take off, are right.

The main reason? Two words: Focus Resale Value and Used Market.

The Focus, I feel, will take off in a few years the way economy Hondas have. These are cheaper off of a used car lot. You can buy a 15 year old civic for the same price you can buy a 3 year old Focus. Price related to "newness" is attractive to young kids wanting their first car.

Also, Zetecs are the predominant engine, and many people w/ Foci have children (not just our current Jetters, either). That is a market that, in a few years, will possibly want to tune the car mom and dad let them drive and which will eventually be their own car.

I think to stop working on parts for a discontinued engine may not be the best idea. Of course, I'm sure FS guys watch the cost of mass producing these parts compared to average monthly sales (or whatever) to know better than I, but look at how many cars have many years and many miles on them and are JUST NOW getting modified.

BTW, I could care less as this whole thread doesn't apply to me unless it'll fit the Mazda 3. If it does, we'll hold off on the supercharger and get the FS turbo.

Yang

[Focused]

Mmmm, a 150k civic engine will keep running a lot stronger than a 150k Zetec.

I'm not trying to be an ass, but what kind of facts or observations are you basing this on? Have you had an experience with two such motors?

I can't say I've worked on or used alot of 150k Zetecs but I have seen alot; and those that I did observe seemed to be running perfectly fine. Granted, these old dogs didn't exactly feel the most potent, but frankly, Zetecs never were in naturally aspirated form.

The bottom line is: if taken care of properly (which often times they aren't), there's no reason why high mileage Zetecs wouldn't run properly and strong.

Besides, potential purchasers of used Foci looking to mod it most likely won't consider touching the motor unless everything is intact and running well.

[scott77]

Besides, potential purchasers of used Foci looking to mod it most likely won't consider touching the motor unless everything is intact and running well.

If they have the money to build a longblock (or at least do a mild amount of work to it), they're not going to be looking towards a more budget-conscious $2-3k kit, they're going to want the full deal or build it themselves. That is a different target group than the one to which you referred in your original argument for FS developing a Zetec kit.