Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec - Page 8 - Focaljet

**JohnStranahan** · 08-13-2008, 06:36 PM

I polished the ID with 8 inch long by 3/4 inch wide Sanding Cloth Strips wrapped around a 1/8 inch brass shaft about 2 inches long in the Dremel. The high air flow produced by the single flap wheel allowed the ABS to sand to a fine white powder instead of melting to black furry balls. Worked 'Great. There is a nice smooth S bend in this runner.
John

**JohnStranahan** · 08-14-2008, 08:08 PM

I built the airbox top bracket with a heavy steel strap. The strap uses an existing nut that Suzuki plastic welded into the cover. There will be a second bracket at the very bottom of the airbox attached to the engine. The two vacuum ports in the box will be used to connect up a vacuum can. The center inlet is the original Positive Crankase Ventilation (PCV) or crankase vent for the motorcycle. I will use it for the same purpose except it will feed into a can instead of a small semi open filter compartment that exists in the box. The second inlet will be routed to a large manifold vacuum port. The combined Manifold Absolute Pressure and Temperature sensor MAP will attach to this can through the top of the box for easy access.

My thoughts are these. The crankase vent on the Focus feeds directly into the manifold which is past the single throttle body. This imperfect vacuum is what the MAP/Temperature sensor reads. A large vacuum port size will insure good vacuum. The fact that the can will be inside the airbox should give a reasonably close to factory temperature reading.

The strap needs some paint.

Note I received my new narrower 5/16 x 2.25 inch maximum clamps. This really improved the appearance and connections for the shortened throttle bodies.

The interior porting and polishing of the intake manifold is complete. It needs just a small touch to a couple of ports after mounting the throttle bodies for a close contact fit.
John

**hemet2.3** · 08-16-2008, 03:49 AM

SO SO buitiful.

**fbmx24** · 08-16-2008, 03:07 PM

This is great, I love seeing stuff like this. Reminds me of the set-up I have seen on some of the old corollas.

**jon.k** · 08-17-2008, 10:55 PM

Amazing work John.... This is such an interesting thread, I love seeing your work.

I do have one question though.... I noticed in the pic of your manifold with all 4 TBs going into that intake housing and being fed by that 1 inlet..... Why did you decide to go with a single intake housing leading to each TB instead of exposing each TB out something like this:

I'm sure you know what you're doing but just wanted some clarification....

**iwannagofast** · 08-17-2008, 11:36 PM

To filter the air?

**brads03zx3** · 08-18-2008, 12:04 AM

He is using the stock MAFS.

http://forums.focaljet.com/6347280-post6.html

**JohnStranahan** · 08-18-2008, 12:32 AM

Thanks for the posts and positive comments guys.

The question is mostly answered above. I'll add a bit. I plan to use a larger Cosworth Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF) tube with the stock Ford Computer and MAF plus a tune. The single inlet is thus required to meter the air. To have multiple inlets in say an oval air filter housing you would need an expensive after market computer to replace the stock computer; this computer would use a fuel map alone to run the motor and would not need a mass air flow sensor.
In addition I plan to keep most of the emissions features of the stock engine including EGR, idle air turbulence, ability to run in a closed loop where the engine computer uses output of the O2 sensors to continuously remap the fuel curve. In other words the computer learns as you drive.

Right Now I am working on a vacuum chamber that I plan to plastic weld into the upper portion of the inlet housing right where the housing has a stock chamber for the motorcycle crankcase ventilation. This will have a large port to engine vaccum from each manifold runner and will include positive crankase ventilation air and possibly idle air motor air. It will hold the combined Absolute Manifold Pressure/ inlet air temperature sensor through a hole at the top.
I am still thinking about this a bit. I am looking for some vacuum hose barbs that would be suitable to use in the plastic manifold on the bottom side. I don't like the 1/4 inch hose barbs that require a huge (1/2 inch or so) threaded hole much.
john

**phongshader** · 08-18-2008, 05:44 PM

I have a quick question on the orientation of your throttle bodies. I hope I'm mistaken but it looks like you have them mounted backwards on the manifold. Aren't the injector bungs supposed to be pointing in the direction of the head? The throttle bodies taper from 52mm to 42mm into the intake manifold so if they're backward you'd lose a whole bunch of effeciency. Please tell me I'm wrong!!

**JohnStranahan** · 08-19-2008, 03:54 PM

I found a photo of these bodies on the motorcyle engine. It appeared that the secondary throttle plates were inboard of the primaries. The primaries are a gold color, the secondaries a steel color. I have seen other pictures as well as a video of different models with these reversed.

In any case I have removed the larger diameter portion of the throttle bodies. They are a straight bore now. The injector bung will only be used to inject Exhaust Gas (EGR) so fuel delivery is not affected. The stock ford fuel injectors in the head will be used.

This orientation puts the throttle linkage where the cables are and improves the appearance by putting EGR plumbing below the throttle bodies out of sight. I can clamp them on either way though.

I measured the part I cut off. It is 44 mm Id on one end and 49 mm ID on the big end. The 44 mm ID is now at the Manifold inlet. The taper is removed for the most part.

John

**jon.k** · 08-20-2008, 01:23 AM

You're wrong..... there

I said it! hahaha

I'll let John answer that one....

**ZX3TUNING** · 08-20-2008, 03:05 PM

LOL @ Jon.K

**jon.k** · 08-21-2008, 09:23 PM

Good one! (Y)

**PCP_TwilightZX3** · 08-22-2008, 03:10 PM

this needs more mass production immediately

**jon.k** · 08-22-2008, 11:08 PM

John, do you have the scematics for this??? you might be able to make some money for those Duratec people out there. I would imagine this would fit both the 2.3 and the 2.0?

**Lifeguardjoe** · 08-23-2008, 04:17 AM

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**JohnStranahan** · 08-23-2008, 03:40 PM

Jon.k-Not sure what is wrong or what needs explained?

There is a rough schematic drawing of the manifold earlier in the thread. Don't really know if it is going to work well yet. Getting closer. Probably will be a Christmas install to test it. I purchased the large vaccuum barbs, 3/8 hose x 1/4 pipe. These have about a 1/4 inch hole. Installed through the bottom of the plastic manifold they will supply sufficient flow to keep a good vacuum in my vacuum tank. This is all to feed the combined MAP/Temperature sensor values close to what the stock engine manifold provides it.
John

**JohnStranahan** · 09-09-2008, 05:39 PM

Work was stalled a bit while I considered materials for a large volume vacuum chamber. The goal is for the stock Ford Manifold Absolute Pressure/ Intake Air Temp MAP/IAT sensor to get similar readings as in the stock manifold. This meant I should be inside the air box for good temp readings. It should also be a large volume so different feeds would equalize and give an average manifold vacuum similar to stock. I wanted a thin walled ABS pipe that I could cut a hemispherical section longways out of the pipe and weld it to the top of the air intake housing. There is a small positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) chamber there already. The chamber will have access to two large stock inlets in the Suzuki housing. You can see these in the pic I posted above. One will be a PCV air feed. One will be direct manifold vacuum suction. Because I am using a section rather than a pipe, the top will be available to mount the MAP/IAT sensor. I may need to weld a little ABS pad to mount it to the proper thickness of material. Vacuum will be right under neath the sensors mounting pad. The chamber will extend all the way to the drivers side, installed. This might be a good place to mount the Idle air control (IAC) motor. IAC Wiring will then be unaltered. It will suck filtered air just below my vacuum tank and then inject the air into the vacuum chamber just above the bottom wall of the chamber. Pics to come.
I had trouble finding suitable material. I wanted ABS so I could plastic weld it on, but I wanted thin walls so it would have a decent internal volume. This ribbed shop vac extension should work out fine if it will weld. My 2 inch manifold runners were very thick walled, as was all the ABS pipe at McMaster.com. Thining the wall of my 2 inch OD piece out of a 12 inch long section would have been quite a job all by itself.
john

**Random** · 10-01-2008, 12:16 AM

Any new updates?

**JohnStranahan** · 10-01-2008, 08:32 PM

Well Hurricane Ike has hit us pretty hard. 16 days without power (and power tools) work on the project is delayd to fix house and yard. We just got power back. As if to spite me, AOL has also decided to discontinue its Journal and FTP space support. All of the photos in this thread will dissapear on October 31st as a result. I thought I had a stable space selected. Oh well. Text will remain. If you have interest in a particular photo you have a month to download it. I have additional space on yahoo to post additional photos but will probably not go through and move all these photos. My two AOL websites will also be history.

**Random** · 10-01-2008, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnStranahan

Well Hurricane Ike has hit us pretty hard. 16 days without power (and power tools) work on the project is delayd to fix house and yard. We just got power back. As if to spite me, AOL has also decided to discontinue its Journal and FTP space support. All of the photos in this thread will dissapear on October 31st as a result. I thought I had a stable space selected. Oh well. Text will remain. If you have interest in a particular photo you have a month to download it. I have additional space on yahoo to post additional photos but will probably not go through and move all these photos. My two AOL websites will also be history.

Ah man, sorry to hear that. Hope everything gets back to normal soon.

**paulhaskew** · 10-02-2008, 12:50 PM

John, hit me back if you want web space... I don't want you to lose your work due to AOL being dumb... btw it would be free space...

**Focusfre4k** · 10-08-2008, 02:13 AM

that sucks hardcore! Get ahold of Paul as he mentioned right above me! Great guy!
and if he runs out of space I will give you some as well

Its looking great! cant wait to see this puppy in action around x-mas time!

08-13-2008, 06:36 PM	#176
JohnStranahan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 98	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec I polished the ID with 8 inch long by 3/4 inch wide Sanding Cloth Strips wrapped around a 1/8 inch brass shaft about 2 inches long in the Dremel. The high air flow produced by the single flap wheel allowed the ABS to sand to a fine white powder instead of melting to black furry balls. Worked 'Great. There is a nice smooth S bend in this runner. John Last edited by JohnStranahan : 08-14-2008 at 04:04 PM.

08-14-2008, 08:08 PM	#177
JohnStranahan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 98	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec I built the airbox top bracket with a heavy steel strap. The strap uses an existing nut that Suzuki plastic welded into the cover. There will be a second bracket at the very bottom of the airbox attached to the engine. The two vacuum ports in the box will be used to connect up a vacuum can. The center inlet is the original Positive Crankase Ventilation (PCV) or crankase vent for the motorcycle. I will use it for the same purpose except it will feed into a can instead of a small semi open filter compartment that exists in the box. The second inlet will be routed to a large manifold vacuum port. The combined Manifold Absolute Pressure and Temperature sensor MAP will attach to this can through the top of the box for easy access. My thoughts are these. The crankase vent on the Focus feeds directly into the manifold which is past the single throttle body. This imperfect vacuum is what the MAP/Temperature sensor reads. A large vacuum port size will insure good vacuum. The fact that the can will be inside the airbox should give a reasonably close to factory temperature reading. The strap needs some paint. Note I received my new narrower 5/16 x 2.25 inch maximum clamps. This really improved the appearance and connections for the shortened throttle bodies. The interior porting and polishing of the intake manifold is complete. It needs just a small touch to a couple of ports after mounting the throttle bodies for a close contact fit. John Last edited by JohnStranahan : 08-15-2008 at 09:57 AM.

08-16-2008, 03:49 AM	#178
hemet2.3 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hemet, Ca Posts: 269	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec SO SO buitiful. __________________ 03 2.3 zx3 carbon fibre hood, FS CAI, roush exhaust, SVT suspension, H.R. rear sway bar+poly bushings, Painted interior, JVC head, Alphasonik 800 series 10", 15" 5zigen FN01R-C light weights w/asx rubber, F2 sts, autolite 104's, limo tint, led center tail light, euro grill+blue led's, blue halogen head lights and fogs,clear side markers+blue led's, debadged.

08-16-2008, 03:07 PM	#179
fbmx24 TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: socal Posts: 149	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec This is great, I love seeing stuff like this. Reminds me of the set-up I have seen on some of the old corollas. __________________ 2003 2.3l zx3 w/ Bilstein coilovers, SVT rear swaybar, k&n intake, and Focus Sport exhaust.

08-17-2008, 10:55 PM	#180
jon.k Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec Amazing work John.... This is such an interesting thread, I love seeing your work. I do have one question though.... I noticed in the pic of your manifold with all 4 TBs going into that intake housing and being fed by that 1 inlet..... Why did you decide to go with a single intake housing leading to each TB instead of exposing each TB out something like this: I'm sure you know what you're doing but just wanted some clarification.... __________________ Loyal Focus Owner!!! First: 2003 Ford Focus ZX5 Second: 2002 Ford Focus SVT (#2808 of 4788)

08-17-2008, 11:36 PM	#181
iwannagofast TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 105	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec To filter the air? __________________ 2006 Gray ZX3 SE: F2 Intake, FORDSVTPARTS Throttle body, Trubendz 2.5" with Hushpower II (less fingernail), Semi-gutted rear, Hurst shift handle, 50/30% Tint. NEXT?: Flywheel or Tune??? Or F2 manicat? Or hood...or...?

08-18-2008, 12:04 AM	#182
brads03zx3 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: California Posts: 8,724	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec He is using the stock MAFS. http://forums.focaljet.com/6347280-post6.html __________________ Mountain Tested----'03 zetec DuraMonster---'03 duratec ZX3 vs MNTN - 9/0 & ZX3 vs TRACK - 4/1 *JCM Racing #88* Bouncing Back---Bigger, Faster, Stronger Vacuum Vulture Racing - We put the ARG in 'CHARGED

08-18-2008, 12:32 AM	#183
JohnStranahan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 98	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec Thanks for the posts and positive comments guys. The question is mostly answered above. I'll add a bit. I plan to use a larger Cosworth Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF) tube with the stock Ford Computer and MAF plus a tune. The single inlet is thus required to meter the air. To have multiple inlets in say an oval air filter housing you would need an expensive after market computer to replace the stock computer; this computer would use a fuel map alone to run the motor and would not need a mass air flow sensor. In addition I plan to keep most of the emissions features of the stock engine including EGR, idle air turbulence, ability to run in a closed loop where the engine computer uses output of the O2 sensors to continuously remap the fuel curve. In other words the computer learns as you drive. Right Now I am working on a vacuum chamber that I plan to plastic weld into the upper portion of the inlet housing right where the housing has a stock chamber for the motorcycle crankcase ventilation. This will have a large port to engine vaccum from each manifold runner and will include positive crankase ventilation air and possibly idle air motor air. It will hold the combined Absolute Manifold Pressure/ inlet air temperature sensor through a hole at the top. I am still thinking about this a bit. I am looking for some vacuum hose barbs that would be suitable to use in the plastic manifold on the bottom side. I don't like the 1/4 inch hose barbs that require a huge (1/2 inch or so) threaded hole much. john Last edited by JohnStranahan : 08-18-2008 at 12:17 PM.

08-18-2008, 05:44 PM	#184
phongshader Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 34	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec I have a quick question on the orientation of your throttle bodies. I hope I'm mistaken but it looks like you have them mounted backwards on the manifold. Aren't the injector bungs supposed to be pointing in the direction of the head? The throttle bodies taper from 52mm to 42mm into the intake manifold so if they're backward you'd lose a whole bunch of effeciency. Please tell me I'm wrong!!

08-19-2008, 03:54 PM	#185
JohnStranahan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 98	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec I found a photo of these bodies on the motorcyle engine. It appeared that the secondary throttle plates were inboard of the primaries. The primaries are a gold color, the secondaries a steel color. I have seen other pictures as well as a video of different models with these reversed. In any case I have removed the larger diameter portion of the throttle bodies. They are a straight bore now. The injector bung will only be used to inject Exhaust Gas (EGR) so fuel delivery is not affected. The stock ford fuel injectors in the head will be used. This orientation puts the throttle linkage where the cables are and improves the appearance by putting EGR plumbing below the throttle bodies out of sight. I can clamp them on either way though. I measured the part I cut off. It is 44 mm Id on one end and 49 mm ID on the big end. The 44 mm ID is now at the Manifold inlet. The taper is removed for the most part. John Last edited by JohnStranahan : 08-19-2008 at 04:30 PM.

08-20-2008, 01:23 AM	#186
jon.k Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec You're wrong..... there I said it! hahaha I'll let John answer that one.... __________________ Loyal Focus Owner!!! First: 2003 Ford Focus ZX5 Second: 2002 Ford Focus SVT (#2808 of 4788)

08-20-2008, 03:05 PM	#187
ZX3TUNING Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC. Canada Posts: 1,651	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec LOL @ Jon.K __________________ Power in Style.... *ZX3Tuning* Part of Conglomerate Motorwerks! Mitch A.

08-21-2008, 09:23 PM	#188
jon.k Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec Good one! (Y) __________________ Loyal Focus Owner!!! First: 2003 Ford Focus ZX5 Second: 2002 Ford Focus SVT (#2808 of 4788)

08-22-2008, 03:10 PM	#189
PCP_TwilightZX3 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The OC Maryland Posts: 2,291	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec this needs more mass production immediately __________________ 2007 Infra ST 2.3 Fs intake, Hella 500's, Borla catback Dough buys beer, it buys me beer. Ray, the guy who sells me beer. Me, the one who drinks my beer. Far, a long way to the john. SO, i'll have another beer. LA-ger Lager lager beer. Tea? no thanks i'll have a beer. NObama 08

08-22-2008, 11:08 PM	#190
jon.k Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec John, do you have the scematics for this??? you might be able to make some money for those Duratec people out there. I would imagine this would fit both the 2.3 and the 2.0? __________________ Loyal Focus Owner!!! First: 2003 Ford Focus ZX5 Second: 2002 Ford Focus SVT (#2808 of 4788)

08-23-2008, 03:40 PM	#192
JohnStranahan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 98	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec Jon.k-Not sure what is wrong or what needs explained? There is a rough schematic drawing of the manifold earlier in the thread. Don't really know if it is going to work well yet. Getting closer. Probably will be a Christmas install to test it. I purchased the large vaccuum barbs, 3/8 hose x 1/4 pipe. These have about a 1/4 inch hole. Installed through the bottom of the plastic manifold they will supply sufficient flow to keep a good vacuum in my vacuum tank. This is all to feed the combined MAP/Temperature sensor values close to what the stock engine manifold provides it. John

09-09-2008, 05:39 PM	#193
JohnStranahan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 98	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec Work was stalled a bit while I considered materials for a large volume vacuum chamber. The goal is for the stock Ford Manifold Absolute Pressure/ Intake Air Temp MAP/IAT sensor to get similar readings as in the stock manifold. This meant I should be inside the air box for good temp readings. It should also be a large volume so different feeds would equalize and give an average manifold vacuum similar to stock. I wanted a thin walled ABS pipe that I could cut a hemispherical section longways out of the pipe and weld it to the top of the air intake housing. There is a small positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) chamber there already. The chamber will have access to two large stock inlets in the Suzuki housing. You can see these in the pic I posted above. One will be a PCV air feed. One will be direct manifold vacuum suction. Because I am using a section rather than a pipe, the top will be available to mount the MAP/IAT sensor. I may need to weld a little ABS pad to mount it to the proper thickness of material. Vacuum will be right under neath the sensors mounting pad. The chamber will extend all the way to the drivers side, installed. This might be a good place to mount the Idle air control (IAC) motor. IAC Wiring will then be unaltered. It will suck filtered air just below my vacuum tank and then inject the air into the vacuum chamber just above the bottom wall of the chamber. Pics to come. I had trouble finding suitable material. I wanted ABS so I could plastic weld it on, but I wanted thin walls so it would have a decent internal volume. This ribbed shop vac extension should work out fine if it will weld. My 2 inch manifold runners were very thick walled, as was all the ABS pipe at McMaster.com. Thining the wall of my 2 inch OD piece out of a 12 inch long section would have been quite a job all by itself. john Last edited by JohnStranahan : 09-10-2008 at 12:22 AM.

10-01-2008, 12:16 AM	#194
Random TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Portland, Or Posts: 736	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec Any new updates? __________________ Semper Fi Fellow Marines "To go wrong in one's own way is better than to go right in someone else's." -Fyodor Dostoevky "in person he acts all kool and nice and online he thinks he is chuck norris." -ROB aka Tribal

10-01-2008, 08:32 PM	#195
JohnStranahan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 98	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec Well Hurricane Ike has hit us pretty hard. 16 days without power (and power tools) work on the project is delayd to fix house and yard. We just got power back. As if to spite me, AOL has also decided to discontinue its Journal and FTP space support. All of the photos in this thread will dissapear on October 31st as a result. I thought I had a stable space selected. Oh well. Text will remain. If you have interest in a particular photo you have a month to download it. I have additional space on yahoo to post additional photos but will probably not go through and move all these photos. My two AOL websites will also be history.

10-02-2008, 12:50 PM	#197
paulhaskew Senior TEAM Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pierce County, WA Posts: 3,263	Re: Suzuki GSXR 750 quad Throttle Body Install on 2.3 L Duratec John, hit me back if you want web space... I don't want you to lose your work due to AOL being dumb... btw it would be free space... __________________ 2005 CD Silver ST-T - Too much FWHP! Motive Racing - [> = my friend! I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence. Words are the means to meaning, and for some, the annunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country.

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