New E3 sparkplug with Horsepower TV dyno shootout

[TungfumastR]

I saw these at Advance Autoparts for $6.96 apiece. They have them for our Duratecs. I plan to order a set the next time I'm there. Enjoy.

www.e3sparkplugs.com/video.htm

[orionlion82]

looks to be a gimmic

[orionlion82]

lookit all this "science" they claimed to do and not one reference to a science journal?

scientists write things down and keep detailed notes and carefully turn it in to a draft that gets edited and then published in a journal.

SO WHERE IS IT?
im just supposed to bite because "scientists" played with it after hours in the labs?


how about all this stuff:
"increasing mileage and drastically cutting toxic emissions."

-i can do that by emptying out my trunk and quitting burritos.

"With the DiamondFire design, the whole population of electrons works to create a plasma channel through which the spark current flows more easily."

-communist electrons are they?


"The copper core is virtually equal to platinum"


-copper...platinum whatever, right?

http://www.e3sparkplugs.com/combustion-analysis.htm

-so spark voltage is the same as cylender pressure now by their graphs...really?

"The E3 DiamondFire design burns the air and fuel mixture already in the combustion chamber more completely."

-more completely that what?!?!?

a bananna? horses? mount rushmore?

and after that whole seven years of testing and all that science all you get is a target market of ...

somewhat informed ricers willing to believe it without looking over the facts?
is that what this is?

so much of the stuff they claim is 180* from the stuff our most trusted gearheads here have put forward...

and then theres this little diamond:

"reduce engine emissions that contribute to global warming."

they are going after the market with the warmers...

and i would be surprised if they diddnt laugh after reading it.

[Focusfre4k]

BSS- 5 horses off of spark plugs....I want my five minutes back.

[Egz]

5HP on a 400HP V8 means you'll see at most 1HP. However, 7 bucks a plug, while high, is better than some other plugs on the market.

[orionlion82]

LOOKIE HERE!

see the page with the engine on the header graphic?

http://www.egr.msu.edu/me/faculty/staff

now i ask which guy did the reaserch?
Tom Stuecken?

since they are both state schools i think (MSU and georgia tech) a freedom of information request is alll that is needed to see what the deal really is.

it is taxpayer dollars in state schools and they would have to account for all that 7 years of science somehow.

[TungfumastR]

Originally Posted by orionlion82

looks to be a gimmic

How many of the "gimmic" companies are willing to dyno test their product on national TV?

[TungfumastR]

Originally Posted by Egz

5HP on a 400HP V8 means you'll see at most 1HP. However, 7 bucks a plug, while high, is better than some other plugs on the market.

I would be fine with 1HP. What I'm really interested in is fuel economy. It's worth 28 bucks to try it imho. I'm curious whether you guys would consider HPTV an unbiased third party when they are reviewing new products.

[Egz]

Dynos are great, but don't always tell the truth.

I take HPTV with a grain of salt. Their show, and much of the others in the same block of TV, are sponsored by the parts companies. How many times have they said something negative about a part? Would they risk losing sponsorship money? Not saying they manipulated the results, but could easily 'overlook' something.

If these plugs were $25 each like those silly Pulsar plugs, I really would be subsceptible. But for $28 for a set, you don't have much to loose. If you go ahead with them, let us know your results.

[orionlion82]

Originally Posted by TungfumastR

I would be fine with 1HP. What I'm really interested in is fuel economy. It's worth 28 bucks to try it imho. I'm curious whether you guys would consider HPTV an unbiased third party when they are reviewing new products.

when the media is involved i would laugh at the idea of an unbiased review.

yours however i would look forward to compared to 104's and stock plugs.

if it really is the thing to use, then more will try them and info will come in and choices will be made from there.

[orionlion82]

Originally Posted by TungfumastR

How many of the "gimmic" companies are willing to dyno test their product on national TV?

tornado fuel saver comes to mind.
are they out of court yet?

how many companies have lit their wax on fire on national tv?
moy many companies have melted the competitions engine without their special additive?

the argument for the 104's was at least somewhat sound.

[TungfumastR]

Originally Posted by orionlion82

when the media is involved i would laugh at the idea of an unbiased review.

yours however i would look forward to compared to 104's and stock plugs.

if it really is the thing to use, then more will try them and info will come in and choices will be made from there.

Well, I don't have any plugs to compare to besides my stockers. What I do have is 1 year of fuel mileage history using the same brand and octane to compare against.

[TungfumastR]

Originally Posted by orionlion82

tornado fuel saver comes to mind.
are they out of court yet?

how many companies have lit their wax on fire on national tv?
moy many companies have melted the competitions engine without their special additive?

the argument for the 104's was at least somewhat sound.

I didn't know HPTV was an infomercial....Did I miss their dyno test of the tornado?

[orionlion82]

Originally Posted by TungfumastR

I didn't know HPTV was an infomercial....Did I miss their dyno test of the tornado?

i dont have a TV so i couldnt tell ya- never herd of them till today. probably a shell name for an infomercial like all the rest do.

but thats what it looked like to me.i dont really know.

i herd of HGTV and thats another houswife channel but HPTV i dont know what that channel is.

[TungfumastR]

Originally Posted by orionlion82

i dont have a TV so i couldnt tell ya- never herd of them till today. probably a shell name for an infomercial like all the rest do.

but thats what it looked like to me.i dont really know.

i herd of HGTV and thats another houswife channel but HPTV i dont know what that channel is.

It's not a channel, it's a show on one of the cable networks(I haven't seen it in a while since we mothballed cable and are on rabbit ears) They have a segment called "powerblock" on Saturdays. Danica Patrick was(I don't know if she still is....) the host.

[Egz]

Well, if you want to do some accurate testing, after getting data on those plugs, replace them with a new set of stock plugs, then compare data. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw a gain over year old plugs.

[Predator]

remember the splitfire craze, this is the same crap.

Remember that electricity will take the path of least resistance, that would be the smallest gap.

[FordFociSHO]

Gimic and a total waste of money for any application. There is a reason the standard copper core plug has been used for 70 some odd years.


Read,

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.c...=158647&page=1




Unless you are upping the coil voltage, a simple swapping of spark plugs will not create plasma. If that where the case it would mean that the stock plug was absorbing more energy than it was outputting, this could be checked by simple resistance. Unfortunately that is not the case, for if the resistance in the plug where high enough to cut the voltage that much the coil would have gone bad already. Is your coil bad?

[orionlion82]

Originally Posted by FordFociSHO

Gimic and a total waste of money for any application. There is a reason the standard copper core plug has been used for 70 some odd years.


Read,

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.c...=158647&page=1




Unless you are upping the coil voltage, a simple swapping of spark plugs will not create plasma. If that where the case it would mean that the stock plug was absorbing more energy than it was outputting, this could be checked by simple resistance. Unfortunately that is not the case, for if the resistance in the plug where high enough to cut the voltage that much the coil would have gone bad already. Is your coil bad?

well- a plug is a resistor and resistors create heat.
all plugs absorb more energy than they output.
what in our world is 100% efficient?
(if you say gravity....)

splittin hairs i know.

[Stardust]

Hmmm, I might be willing to try these, but if I can't find them at Advanced Auto then I'm sticking with Denso Iridium. I was actually going to change my plugs with 17k on them because I want to compliment my Massive coils

[Liquid_02_ZX3]

Sure its a gimmick, but I chose run one in my riding lawnmower when tuning it up. It was as cheap as the champion plug, I thought I would try it. Its been in there 3 years and its still runs and starts fine. I didn't expect anything special when I installed it, it made no difference at all.

[focusownerskid]

They work well on my '89 Probe Turbo, unsure of the difference in an engine like the Duratec.

- Drew

[TungfumastR]

I'm also curious to see if it has any effect on this hard start condition that I've experienced on BOTH of my Duratec Foci. Besides this problem, the cars runs great, its getting fantastic mileage (avg 31.17 mpg last 4 tanks, all city driving, best 31.58). I think my coil and stock plugs are in pretty good shape.

[PCP_TwilightZX3]

i work at advance auto part time and i used one of these in my lawn mower. i got 45min more out of a tank just by switching plug. i'm sure the other was atleast part of problem it was pretty fouled. but thats pretty significant IMHO. a guy i work with saw this and went out that day and bought the e3's for his dakota lol. dunno if it made a difference tho. ah the power or marketing

[Liquid_02_ZX3]

Just saw the video.

How can you compare a modern high tech 4 cylinder with ECU controlled timing and a knock sensor, compared to that huge boat anchor of a spartan motor with dart heads, headers and a carburetor? Maybe they advanced the timing 1/3rd of a degree, or took the best E3 run with the worst run of the other plug. This test proves nothing, I would really like to see a televised event of these plugs actually making more power on 10 or more cars. Then they might change my view, but even then.