and so it begins....built motor going in!! - Page 2 - The Ford Focus Forum

**FocusSportVP** · 07-26-2009, 11:28 PM

This is a hot set up because even with the Cossie intake manifold there is still more torque than hp. Yet, the hp is nothing to laugh at for a Garrett GT28R. Usually the manifold really kills the torque, but not with this combo.

I'm anxious to see this set up with our 9.0:1 pistons.

**Focusing** · 07-27-2009, 09:00 PM

Hey Randy whats the best cr to run a turbo??? I've heard 8.0 - 8.5.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by FocusSportVP

I'm anxious to see this set up with our 9.0:1 pistons.

And you just said this^^^^ Confused

**FocusSportVP** · 07-27-2009, 09:23 PM

I've ran 8.0:1 on my car. Didn't like it. 8.5:1 is pretty good, but I like 9.0:1 better based on some of the set ups I've worked on with our projects and customers cars. What works best has a lot to do with what you are doing with the car.

What confused you, though?

**polarisman14** · 07-27-2009, 10:31 PM

^^I think he was confused because he didn't read the bottom of the dyno chart--the dyno on the last page is with a similar setup, but on 8.5:1 compression pistons--it *should* make more power at the same boost level if all other things were equal with Gube's 9:1 setup, but we'll see

.

**Focusing** · 07-27-2009, 10:39 PM

Randy sent you a PM...

**cjmartinyzx3** · 07-27-2009, 11:57 PM

the higher comp, like 9.0 will get give you better off boost power, but really thats more for a larger turbo as even on the freeway in 5th you can still make boost with the FSwerks Kit

**AcIdBuRn02ZTS** · 07-28-2009, 12:42 AM

wont higher compression make more power in boost aswell? i always assumed it did to a certain point...

nice build progress

-AcId-

**cjmartinyzx3** · 07-28-2009, 02:26 AM

pretty much, but the resistance to detonation is decreased with the higher compression while still using the same octane fuel.

**iceguyb14** · 07-28-2009, 01:13 PM

i cant wait to see what kind of numbers you put down bryan.

id bet 320whp would be doable at around 19psi with race gas

**focusownerskid** · 07-28-2009, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceguyb14

i cant wait to see what kind of numbers you put down bryan.

id bet 320whp would be doable at around 19psi with race gas

Race gas?

Why?

Guber can make 350+ on pump, just not on that turbo.

- Drew

**FocusSportVP** · 07-28-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceguyb14

i cant wait to see what kind of numbers you put down bryan.

id bet 320whp would be doable at around 19psi with 100 octane race gas

Good guess, maybe a little more.

**Revo** · 07-28-2009, 03:12 PM

so why that turbo? Im guessing better daily driving functionality?

**FocusSportVP** · 07-28-2009, 03:46 PM

That turbo kicks ass. Read what I wrote about the torque.

Find other 300 WHP dyno charts and then look at the torque numbers and how soon the torque kicks in, etc.

There isn't a whole lot of reason to go with much more than 300 WHP on a street car. Sure 450 WHP is fun to talk about and it's good to push the envelope with your projects, but as an end user, mega power for a street car is not practical at all.

And if you want to take this set up to the track, get some sticky tires. If you can get this to hook up, it's gonna launch like a mofo.

**cjmartinyzx3** · 07-28-2009, 04:32 PM

Hey Bryan, can i have your old turbo huh can i, can i

wonder how that turbo would do on a Zetec tho....

**FocusSportVP** · 07-28-2009, 05:10 PM

It would work great on a Zetec.

**cjmartinyzx3** · 07-28-2009, 05:16 PM

and still make 300~ without overspinning it? cuz i was looking at a GT28 for my build as i like how soon the boost comes on but i dont wanna kill it or have surging issues.

**FocusSportVP** · 07-28-2009, 05:49 PM

How much power you make will depend many things. Mods, octane, boost level, compression, elevation, programming, etc.

Now, if you just want to be running 15psi on 91 octane with some other bolt-ons...probably not gonna happen.

**cjmartinyzx3** · 07-28-2009, 05:51 PM

ill take this to PM to not Ruin your thread Bryan

**bryst06** · 07-29-2009, 08:44 PM

Thanks Chris, but def let it go for cheap. I'll let ya know.

**Focusfre4k** · 07-29-2009, 11:14 PM

any new pics/progress? this is gonna be a beast!

**bryst06** · 07-30-2009, 04:50 AM

nothing new to report at this time.. im determined to work on it after work today..

**bryst06** · 08-06-2009, 07:06 PM

gettin dirty today..

**bryst06** · 08-06-2009, 09:03 PM

well drained the oil finally and coolant took more bits off... what a pita job this is turning out to be doing everything solo...

Paul.... need ya bud lol

**iceguyb14** · 08-07-2009, 09:07 AM

lol good luck!

**f2focus** · 08-07-2009, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FocusSportVP

That exact turbo with a built 2.3 Duratec engine will look close to this:

That is an unfinished dyno. One of these days Chris is gonna get back in touch with me so we can see how much more power is left in it.

OH Chris from Texas correct? This is the engine that he bought from F2...nice numbers for sure. I always new this was going to make some good power and it found a great home....

07-26-2009, 11:28 PM	#26 (permalink)
FocusSportVP Premier Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Lair of The West Coast Cult Posts: 23,210	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! This is a hot set up because even with the Cossie intake manifold there is still more torque than hp. Yet, the hp is nothing to laugh at for a Garrett GT28R. Usually the manifold really kills the torque, but not with this combo. I'm anxious to see this set up with our 9.0:1 pistons. __________________ Best Regards, Randy Robles Vice President FocusSport / FSWerks www.focussport.com / www.fswerks.com 714.630.6353 Check out our NEW video on www.TheFordStory.com. Please leave a comment! Click me! The FocusSport Street Tuner Challenge Focus 396 WHP / 347 WTQ - Click me!

07-27-2009, 09:23 PM	#28 (permalink)
FocusSportVP Premier Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Lair of The West Coast Cult Posts: 23,210	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! I've ran 8.0:1 on my car. Didn't like it. 8.5:1 is pretty good, but I like 9.0:1 better based on some of the set ups I've worked on with our projects and customers cars. What works best has a lot to do with what you are doing with the car. What confused you, though? __________________ Best Regards, Randy Robles Vice President FocusSport / FSWerks www.focussport.com / www.fswerks.com 714.630.6353 Check out our NEW video on www.TheFordStory.com. Please leave a comment! Click me! The FocusSport Street Tuner Challenge Focus 396 WHP / 347 WTQ - Click me!

07-27-2009, 10:31 PM	#29 (permalink)
polarisman14 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Henniker, NH Posts: 3,939	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! ^^I think he was confused because he didn't read the bottom of the dyno chart--the dyno on the last page is with a similar setup, but on 8.5:1 compression pistons--it should make more power at the same boost level if all other things were equal with Gube's 9:1 setup, but we'll see . __________________ --UnFocused1-- AKA >>Matt<< --01 Focus "FCS-PWR" 350+whp Work-In-Progress-- <03 Ranger 4.0L "SKIGOD" DD: CAI, custom side exhaust, audio> >86 Ninja 250R "GOPED" 50+mpg bullet: Slip-ons, Pod filters, Jet kit, LED signals, custom plate bracket<

07-27-2009, 10:39 PM	#30 (permalink)
Focusing Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 92	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! Randy sent you a PM...

07-27-2009, 11:57 PM	#31 (permalink)
cjmartinyzx3 NA Zetec Driver //// Where Bolt ons + Cams = 120whp Join Date: May 2005 Location: Marysville, MI Posts: 4,375	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! the higher comp, like 9.0 will get give you better off boost power, but really thats more for a larger turbo as even on the freeway in 5th you can still make boost with the FSwerks Kit __________________ Proud member of the 150k+ mile club 2001 zx3 crower stg3 cams/FC race header/2.5in exhaust/intake/tune/all poly mounts/H&R RACE springs/Koni sport yellow dampers/SVT RSB/CM stg3 clutch/CM lightweight flywheel/Torsen T2 LSD/SVT front and rear bumper/SVT grill and headlights /RS Wing/AEM UEGO

07-28-2009, 12:42 AM	#32 (permalink)
AcIdBuRn02ZTS Senior TEAM Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boonville, IN Posts: 2,271	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! wont higher compression make more power in boost aswell? i always assumed it did to a certain point... nice build progress -AcId- __________________ *2002 - Twilight Blue ZTS* Built Engine, Getrag 6spd w/ Quaife, Full Eibach Suspension, 16" Enkei J10's wrapped in Pirelli P-Zero's... Killing Tires Thru 3rd @ 10psi - 20+psi Soon To Come http://www.sounddomain.com/ride/2523022 *1987 - Black MKIII Supra NA Targa* Stock... for the time being.

07-28-2009, 02:26 AM	#33 (permalink)
cjmartinyzx3 NA Zetec Driver //// Where Bolt ons + Cams = 120whp Join Date: May 2005 Location: Marysville, MI Posts: 4,375	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! pretty much, but the resistance to detonation is decreased with the higher compression while still using the same octane fuel. __________________ Proud member of the 150k+ mile club 2001 zx3 crower stg3 cams/FC race header/2.5in exhaust/intake/tune/all poly mounts/H&R RACE springs/Koni sport yellow dampers/SVT RSB/CM stg3 clutch/CM lightweight flywheel/Torsen T2 LSD/SVT front and rear bumper/SVT grill and headlights /RS Wing/AEM UEGO

07-28-2009, 01:13 PM	#34 (permalink)
iceguyb14 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia Posts: 2,502	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! i cant wait to see what kind of numbers you put down bryan. id bet 320whp would be doable at around 19psi with race gas __________________ - Jeff 250whp/245wtq at 11psi... *ENGINE BUILD PARTS/COSSIE IM/FSW STAGE 1 TURBO KIT/EXEDY HYPERSINGLE/FORD RACING HEAD COMPLETE WITH EVERYTHING FOR SALE!!! PM me for info.. FIRST COME FIRST SERVE*

07-28-2009, 03:12 PM	#37 (permalink)
Revo Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,298	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! so why that turbo? Im guessing better daily driving functionality? __________________ black 06 svt wannabe

07-28-2009, 03:46 PM	#38 (permalink)
FocusSportVP Premier Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Lair of The West Coast Cult Posts: 23,210	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! That turbo kicks ass. Read what I wrote about the torque. Find other 300 WHP dyno charts and then look at the torque numbers and how soon the torque kicks in, etc. There isn't a whole lot of reason to go with much more than 300 WHP on a street car. Sure 450 WHP is fun to talk about and it's good to push the envelope with your projects, but as an end user, mega power for a street car is not practical at all. And if you want to take this set up to the track, get some sticky tires. If you can get this to hook up, it's gonna launch like a mofo. __________________ Best Regards, Randy Robles Vice President FocusSport / FSWerks www.focussport.com / www.fswerks.com 714.630.6353 Check out our NEW video on www.TheFordStory.com. Please leave a comment! Click me! The FocusSport Street Tuner Challenge Focus 396 WHP / 347 WTQ - Click me!

07-28-2009, 04:32 PM	#39 (permalink)
cjmartinyzx3 NA Zetec Driver //// Where Bolt ons + Cams = 120whp Join Date: May 2005 Location: Marysville, MI Posts: 4,375	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! Hey Bryan, can i have your old turbo huh can i, can i wonder how that turbo would do on a Zetec tho.... __________________ Proud member of the 150k+ mile club 2001 zx3 crower stg3 cams/FC race header/2.5in exhaust/intake/tune/all poly mounts/H&R RACE springs/Koni sport yellow dampers/SVT RSB/CM stg3 clutch/CM lightweight flywheel/Torsen T2 LSD/SVT front and rear bumper/SVT grill and headlights /RS Wing/AEM UEGO

07-28-2009, 05:10 PM	#40 (permalink)
FocusSportVP Premier Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Lair of The West Coast Cult Posts: 23,210	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! It would work great on a Zetec. __________________ Best Regards, Randy Robles Vice President FocusSport / FSWerks www.focussport.com / www.fswerks.com 714.630.6353 Check out our NEW video on www.TheFordStory.com. Please leave a comment! Click me! The FocusSport Street Tuner Challenge Focus 396 WHP / 347 WTQ - Click me!

07-28-2009, 05:16 PM	#41 (permalink)
cjmartinyzx3 NA Zetec Driver //// Where Bolt ons + Cams = 120whp Join Date: May 2005 Location: Marysville, MI Posts: 4,375	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! and still make 300~ without overspinning it? cuz i was looking at a GT28 for my build as i like how soon the boost comes on but i dont wanna kill it or have surging issues. __________________ Proud member of the 150k+ mile club 2001 zx3 crower stg3 cams/FC race header/2.5in exhaust/intake/tune/all poly mounts/H&R RACE springs/Koni sport yellow dampers/SVT RSB/CM stg3 clutch/CM lightweight flywheel/Torsen T2 LSD/SVT front and rear bumper/SVT grill and headlights /RS Wing/AEM UEGO

07-28-2009, 05:49 PM	#42 (permalink)
FocusSportVP Premier Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Lair of The West Coast Cult Posts: 23,210	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! How much power you make will depend many things. Mods, octane, boost level, compression, elevation, programming, etc. Now, if you just want to be running 15psi on 91 octane with some other bolt-ons...probably not gonna happen. __________________ Best Regards, Randy Robles Vice President FocusSport / FSWerks www.focussport.com / www.fswerks.com 714.630.6353 Check out our NEW video on www.TheFordStory.com. Please leave a comment! Click me! The FocusSport Street Tuner Challenge Focus 396 WHP / 347 WTQ - Click me!

07-28-2009, 05:51 PM	#43 (permalink)
cjmartinyzx3 NA Zetec Driver //// Where Bolt ons + Cams = 120whp Join Date: May 2005 Location: Marysville, MI Posts: 4,375	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! ill take this to PM to not Ruin your thread Bryan __________________ Proud member of the 150k+ mile club 2001 zx3 crower stg3 cams/FC race header/2.5in exhaust/intake/tune/all poly mounts/H&R RACE springs/Koni sport yellow dampers/SVT RSB/CM stg3 clutch/CM lightweight flywheel/Torsen T2 LSD/SVT front and rear bumper/SVT grill and headlights /RS Wing/AEM UEGO

07-29-2009, 08:44 PM	#44 (permalink)
bryst06 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,931	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! Thanks Chris, but def let it go for cheap. I'll let ya know. __________________ "I was thinking the FS turbo kit but I absolutely have to have a BOV..."

07-29-2009, 11:14 PM	#45 (permalink)
Focusfre4k I pay 5 dollar! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OR Posts: 3,294	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! any new pics/progress? this is gonna be a beast! __________________ 2008 Focus coupe - current 2005 Focus ZX5 - gone, but not forgotten "you could walk around with an overpriced slow Mac in a manila folder and be like "Yo, check this out, aww yeah, you didn't think there was a laptop inside but there was!!!""- Ducman

07-30-2009, 04:50 AM	#46 (permalink)
bryst06 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,931	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! nothing new to report at this time.. im determined to work on it after work today.. __________________ "I was thinking the FS turbo kit but I absolutely have to have a BOV..."

08-06-2009, 07:06 PM	#47 (permalink)
bryst06 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,931	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! gettin dirty today.. __________________ "I was thinking the FS turbo kit but I absolutely have to have a BOV..."

08-06-2009, 09:03 PM	#48 (permalink)
bryst06 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,931	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! well drained the oil finally and coolant took more bits off... what a pita job this is turning out to be doing everything solo... Paul.... need ya bud lol __________________ "I was thinking the FS turbo kit but I absolutely have to have a BOV..."

08-07-2009, 09:07 AM	#49 (permalink)
iceguyb14 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia Posts: 2,502	Re: and so it begins....built motor going in!! lol good luck! __________________ - Jeff 250whp/245wtq at 11psi... *ENGINE BUILD PARTS/COSSIE IM/FSW STAGE 1 TURBO KIT/EXEDY HYPERSINGLE/FORD RACING HEAD COMPLETE WITH EVERYTHING FOR SALE!!! PM me for info.. FIRST COME FIRST SERVE*

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode