st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust - The Ford Focus Forum

**happyhands** · 10-20-2009, 03:39 PM

What is the main difference between the 2 exhaust that makes the ST's sound better? Im wanting to use factory ford parts to make mine sound a little better. I like how the St's sounds. I work at a ford dealer ship so i can get a discount on factory parts.

Thanks for any help...

**Focusing** · 10-20-2009, 10:27 PM

In my understading it wont do anything exept for a little sound and maybe you get rid of some of that back pressure crap... But thats it...

**pssdfocus** · 10-21-2009, 05:16 AM

it's not pinched exhaust and it's a bigger dia.

**happyhands** · 10-21-2009, 01:13 PM

Im just looking to get that sound of the ST's. Is that just the muffler that gives the sound or is there more to it than that?

**UnFocusedZX4** · 10-21-2009, 02:10 PM

Okay the ST and non ST exhaust are the same except the ST does have that lunch box rear muffler. Thats pretty much it.

**MrBirdman330** · 10-21-2009, 02:41 PM

Which ST are you talking about the 05 ST which was the real performance ST or the 06-07 ST which is an SES with a Manual and a 2.3L Duratec?

**mtadd162** · 10-21-2009, 03:05 PM

^Hm please explain? first time ive seen/heard someone refer to the 05 different from the 06-07, rather than different suspension...

**MrBirdman330** · 10-21-2009, 03:12 PM

In 06 the ST was watered down heavily, much of its "exclusive features" were lost such as the steering wheel and shift knob with red stitching. The seats with Red and black inserts along with the door panels. The suspension was made softer and the exhaust was done away with. In 07 the body colored grille was gone.

Here's an 07 ST to show proof of what I mean.

**TolusD** · 10-21-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBirdman330

Which ST are you talking about the 05 ST which was the real performance ST or the 06-07 ST which is an SES with a Manual and a 2.3L Duratec?

He speaks the truth. I have an 05 ST and I often get called delusional or a liar or worse for suggesting that it amounts to more than a trim level. No one who's driven it disagrees with me though.

**MrBirdman330** · 10-21-2009, 03:24 PM

I have one of the very first built 05 ST's (Made early october 04) and its entirely different from the 06-07 ST's. Whats horrible is I'm going to have to get aftermarket struts to regain that stiffness I had when I had the first factory installed struts.

**mtadd162** · 10-21-2009, 03:51 PM

wow thats bogus...go 05!

**TolusD** · 10-21-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBirdman330

I have one of the very first built 05 ST's (Made early october 04) and its entirely different from the 06-07 ST's. Whats horrible is I'm going to have to get aftermarket struts to regain that stiffness I had when I had the first factory installed struts.

Mine was built in 04 as well and as it happens, I need new struts. I was thinking about getting the FRPP kit or maybe the SVT kit. I was under the impression that we had SVT dampers and springs. Was I wrong? Are the SVT or FRPP dampers not stiff enough to restore how the car felt new?

**MrBirdman330** · 10-21-2009, 05:01 PM

I'm thinking about SVT Struts for sure since using the new McPherson Struts that I had put on a year ago the car has no bleeding bite on the road. And they were installed by Ford. Its either that or KBT adjustable struts. Unfortunately there is no specific 05 McPherson Strut in Fords catalog. In answer to your question the ST features McPherson suspension which is double wishbone front if I remember, control blade IRS with SVT cross linkages, also Anti-Sway Bars. That's for the 05 ST only though, later ST's have that European Inspired suspension with Anti-Sway Bars.

**RedST206** · 10-21-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBirdman330

I have one of the very first built 05 ST's (Made early october 04) and its entirely different from the 06-07 ST's. Whats horrible is I'm going to have to get aftermarket struts to regain that stiffness I had when I had the first factory installed struts.

Never knew there were any differences.
Mine is a built date 05/04, does that make it a super early one?

**MrBirdman330** · 10-21-2009, 05:17 PM

Yes like mine and Tolus we have the "bastards" of the 05 ST's. What I mean by such a term is that we have heavy combination of 04 and 05 parts. (Though I want proof that your car was built that early, as I was aware production had actually started in July of 04 for the 05 Focus Model) One thing in heavy particular I noticed was the fact that my ST had more than the 151 HP as Ford had said it was actually almost at 170 HP. Which still has my head scratching as to how it happened.

**RedST206** · 10-21-2009, 05:24 PM

Just checked the door sticker again to make sure. Dated 05/04 and yes it's definitely an ST. I don't have my camera with me right now, if I remember this thread when I get home I will take a picture of it. I bought it in early '06, it had been sitting on the dealer lot for a long time.

I doubt mine has anywhere near 170hp though.

**MrBirdman330** · 10-21-2009, 05:30 PM

You may have one of the very first issued ST's I know their production numbers were highly limited each year but I don't know the exact numbers produced. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if I had a production number lower than 80.

**RedST206** · 10-21-2009, 05:36 PM

Hang on, dug around the glove box and found the built data sheet. Let me undust and install an old scanner.

**RedST206** · 10-21-2009, 05:48 PM

exact date: 5/6/04

**MrBirdman330** · 10-21-2009, 05:53 PM

Wow.

**mtadd162** · 10-21-2009, 10:25 PM

so then why cant we get get build #'s...

**Cameroon** · 10-21-2009, 10:48 PM

I hate to burst bubbles but that looks a whole lot like the build sheet for your FBR-I/PNL ASSY CHAR BLACK made at the SALINE plastics plant.

I'm guessing your dashboard was made on 5/6/04

**MrBirdman330** · 10-21-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mtadd162

so then why cant we get get build #'s...

In all essences and not to be a jackass to SVT owners but its because it's a Focus that wasn't built by Ford SVT. It was built by Ford itself using some parts of the SVT suspension. It would be nice to get ST build numbers so I can know for sure which ST is mine. Because December 14th is the Five year aniversery mark for me and my ST.

**pssdfocus** · 10-22-2009, 05:30 AM

hey, birdman ur 07 st has leather seats and that an option w/ no red inserts. and my 06 st has everything u swear 06, and 07 don't have, sorry!!

**RedST206** · 10-22-2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cameroon

I hate to burst bubbles but that looks a whole lot like the build sheet for your FBR-I/PNL ASSY CHAR BLACK made at the SALINE plastics plant.

I'm guessing your dashboard was made on 5/6/04

lol, was that just a built sheet for the dashboard? Why would they include sheet that with the car...

Anyway, the sticker on the says 05/04 as well, either way it's not that big of a deal.

10-20-2009, 03:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
happyhands Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: WEAVERVILLE,NC Posts: 56	st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust What is the main difference between the 2 exhaust that makes the ST's sound better? Im wanting to use factory ford parts to make mine sound a little better. I like how the St's sounds. I work at a ford dealer ship so i can get a discount on factory parts. Thanks for any help...

10-20-2009, 10:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Focusing Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 92	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust In my understading it wont do anything exept for a little sound and maybe you get rid of some of that back pressure crap... But thats it... __________________ Speed Is Life...

10-21-2009, 05:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
pssdfocus Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: michigan Posts: 34	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust it's not pinched exhaust and it's a bigger dia.

10-21-2009, 01:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
happyhands Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: WEAVERVILLE,NC Posts: 56	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust Im just looking to get that sound of the ST's. Is that just the muffler that gives the sound or is there more to it than that?

10-21-2009, 02:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
UnFocusedZX4 TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Camarillo Posts: 729	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust Okay the ST and non ST exhaust are the same except the ST does have that lunch box rear muffler. Thats pretty much it. __________________ POWERED BY F2

10-21-2009, 02:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
MrBirdman330 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: At a U-Haul Center near you. Posts: 1,472	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust Which ST are you talking about the 05 ST which was the real performance ST or the 06-07 ST which is an SES with a Manual and a 2.3L Duratec? __________________ Everybody says you can't make money off small cars. Well, you'd better damn well figure out how to make money, because that's where the world is going. - Alan Mulally

10-21-2009, 03:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
mtadd162 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 137	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust ^Hm please explain? first time ive seen/heard someone refer to the 05 different from the 06-07, rather than different suspension... __________________ 05' ST All N/A Cams installed, now for new numbers

10-21-2009, 03:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
MrBirdman330 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: At a U-Haul Center near you. Posts: 1,472	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust In 06 the ST was watered down heavily, much of its "exclusive features" were lost such as the steering wheel and shift knob with red stitching. The seats with Red and black inserts along with the door panels. The suspension was made softer and the exhaust was done away with. In 07 the body colored grille was gone. Here's an 07 ST to show proof of what I mean. __________________ Everybody says you can't make money off small cars. Well, you'd better damn well figure out how to make money, because that's where the world is going. - Alan Mulally

10-21-2009, 03:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
MrBirdman330 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: At a U-Haul Center near you. Posts: 1,472	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust I have one of the very first built 05 ST's (Made early october 04) and its entirely different from the 06-07 ST's. Whats horrible is I'm going to have to get aftermarket struts to regain that stiffness I had when I had the first factory installed struts. __________________ Everybody says you can't make money off small cars. Well, you'd better damn well figure out how to make money, because that's where the world is going. - Alan Mulally

10-21-2009, 03:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
mtadd162 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 137	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust wow thats bogus...go 05! __________________ 05' ST All N/A Cams installed, now for new numbers

10-21-2009, 05:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
MrBirdman330 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: At a U-Haul Center near you. Posts: 1,472	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust I'm thinking about SVT Struts for sure since using the new McPherson Struts that I had put on a year ago the car has no bleeding bite on the road. And they were installed by Ford. Its either that or KBT adjustable struts. Unfortunately there is no specific 05 McPherson Strut in Fords catalog. In answer to your question the ST features McPherson suspension which is double wishbone front if I remember, control blade IRS with SVT cross linkages, also Anti-Sway Bars. That's for the 05 ST only though, later ST's have that European Inspired suspension with Anti-Sway Bars. __________________ Everybody says you can't make money off small cars. Well, you'd better damn well figure out how to make money, because that's where the world is going. - Alan Mulally Last edited by MrBirdman330; 10-21-2009 at 05:06 PM.

10-21-2009, 05:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
MrBirdman330 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: At a U-Haul Center near you. Posts: 1,472	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust Yes like mine and Tolus we have the "bastards" of the 05 ST's. What I mean by such a term is that we have heavy combination of 04 and 05 parts. (Though I want proof that your car was built that early, as I was aware production had actually started in July of 04 for the 05 Focus Model) One thing in heavy particular I noticed was the fact that my ST had more than the 151 HP as Ford had said it was actually almost at 170 HP. Which still has my head scratching as to how it happened. __________________ Everybody says you can't make money off small cars. Well, you'd better damn well figure out how to make money, because that's where the world is going. - Alan Mulally

10-21-2009, 05:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
RedST206 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 86	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust Just checked the door sticker again to make sure. Dated 05/04 and yes it's definitely an ST. I don't have my camera with me right now, if I remember this thread when I get home I will take a picture of it. I bought it in early '06, it had been sitting on the dealer lot for a long time. I doubt mine has anywhere near 170hp though.

10-21-2009, 05:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
MrBirdman330 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: At a U-Haul Center near you. Posts: 1,472	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust You may have one of the very first issued ST's I know their production numbers were highly limited each year but I don't know the exact numbers produced. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if I had a production number lower than 80. __________________ Everybody says you can't make money off small cars. Well, you'd better damn well figure out how to make money, because that's where the world is going. - Alan Mulally

10-21-2009, 05:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
RedST206 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 86	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust Hang on, dug around the glove box and found the built data sheet. Let me undust and install an old scanner.

10-21-2009, 05:48 PM	#19 (permalink)
RedST206 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 86	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust exact date: 5/6/04

10-21-2009, 05:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
MrBirdman330 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: At a U-Haul Center near you. Posts: 1,472	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust Wow. __________________ Everybody says you can't make money off small cars. Well, you'd better damn well figure out how to make money, because that's where the world is going. - Alan Mulally

10-21-2009, 10:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
mtadd162 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 137	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust so then why cant we get get build #'s... __________________ 05' ST All N/A Cams installed, now for new numbers

10-21-2009, 10:48 PM	#22 (permalink)
Cameroon [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wherever peculiar people congregate Posts: 5,998	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust I hate to burst bubbles but that looks a whole lot like the build sheet for your FBR-I/PNL ASSY CHAR BLACK made at the SALINE plastics plant. I'm guessing your dashboard was made on 5/6/04 __________________ "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." -- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864

10-22-2009, 05:30 AM	#24 (permalink)
pssdfocus Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: michigan Posts: 34	Re: st exhaust vs 05 zx3 exhaust hey, birdman ur 07 st has leather seats and that an option w/ no red inserts. and my 06 st has everything u swear 06, and 07 don't have, sorry!!

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