FC At Buttonwillow Questions - Focaljet

**belacyrf** · 08-31-2006, 12:34 PM

I'd like to try a few things for those who are going to participate in the Buttonwillow FC. I'd like to make changes to the Hdcp system to incorporate some of the alterations we talk about, but never seem to make.

Like Track Factors and Winner Penalties

I will make sure to add the new Forced Induction categories as we discussed.

However are there any other changes you think need to be made?

Also who are our past winners? Lorin, Kee and ???

**scottishsvt** · 08-31-2006, 12:42 PM

I won at Buttonwillow in May of 05.
Scottish

**Reza** · 08-31-2006, 02:37 PM

This would be my First FC i might go to practice as well. as HC goes i dont really know

**slidemaster** · 08-31-2006, 02:41 PM

Go to the FC website www.focuschallenge.com and you can make it up.

**Reza** · 08-31-2006, 02:43 PM

i did and its 3.75

**belacyrf** · 08-31-2006, 06:27 PM

Anyone see any issues with this heirarchy for power handicaps??

Naturally Aspirated
Mild Stock(ish) - 8 Base HDCP Points (SPI's)
Medium Stock(ish) - 7.5 Base HDCP Points (2.0 Liter)
Aggressive Stock(ish) - 7 Base HDCP Points (2.3 Duratecs )
Slightly Modified - 6 Base HDCP Points
Moderately Modified - 5 Base HDCP Points
Moderately Modified+ - 4.5 Base HDCP Points
Heavily Modified - 3.5 Base HDCP Points
Heavily Modified+ - 2.75 Base HDCP Points

FI Less than 200 whp
Roots FI Non-Intercooled < 200whp - 4 Base HDCP Points
Centrifugal FI Non-Intercooled < 200whp - 3.25 Base HDCP Points
Roots Intercooled < 200whp - 3.25 Base HDCP Points
Centrifugal Intercooled < 200whp - 3 Base HDCP Points

FI 200 - 250 whp
Roots FI Non-Intercooled > 200whp - 2.75 Base HDCP Points
Centrifugal FI Non-Intercooled > 200whp - 2.5 Base HDCP Points
Roots Intercooled > 200whp - 2.5 Base HDCP Points
Centrifugal Intercooled > 200whp - 2 Base HDCP Points

FI 250 - 300 whp
Roots FI Non-Intercooled > 250whp - 2 Base HDCP Points
Centrifugal FI Non-Intercooled > 250whp - 1.75 Base HDCP Points
Roots Intercooled > 250whp - 1.25 Base HDCP Points
Centrifugal Intercooled > 250whp - 1 Base HDCP Points

FI > 300 whp
Forced Induction > 300whp - 0 Base HDCP Points

**Reza** · 08-31-2006, 08:48 PM

WOW i think that alot better that what we have right now.

how about stock SVT with intake, 65mm TB , exhuast is about 7?

**belacyrf** · 08-31-2006, 09:05 PM

Stock SVT is going to start at a base of 7 and with your mods (do you have an ORP?) you will probably get knocked one level to slightly modded 6.

I put Stock SVT's and Stock 2.3's in the same group.

**Reza** · 08-31-2006, 09:27 PM

NO ORP here.

**slidemaster** · 09-01-2006, 06:30 PM

Be sure there is some type of credit for autos

**belacyrf** · 09-02-2006, 12:09 AM

Agreed, I'm going to add Auto to the Ala-Cart and I'm thinking it will add 2 hdcp points

**Reza** · 09-02-2006, 02:04 PM

how about weight i think we should have more option on that one also.

**FocusAZ1** · 09-02-2006, 02:34 PM

Weight was definitely one of the issues we talked about earlier too. I think there was one more too, but I can't remember it. Were we happy with the tire HDCP's? It seems like some of the Ala-Cart HDCP's were a bit excessive too, but I can't remember which ones?

**slidemaster** · 09-02-2006, 04:41 PM

Thanks David! From where I stand (in the pits with the current drivers) the auto trans is very important to a few very enthusiastic Focus guys

**belacyrf** · 09-03-2006, 02:36 AM

Weight is getting more options as well, I have also added the "track" factors, which allows you to give more or less strength to a given area based on track.

For example, streets of willow will have a factor that gives less weight to tires and engine and more to suspension, big willow will give more weight to engine and tires and keep suspension about even, buttonwillow will probably be close to a wash from what I can see. We'll see.

I've made 80% of the change, and should be able to finish the rest this weekend with ya'll to be able to configure your hdcp's again by tuesday or so as to get an idea.

**thefrush** · 09-03-2006, 12:47 PM

Sweet man, thanks for the work to get this as even as possible.

**belacyrf** · 09-03-2006, 07:44 PM

The website has been updated with the new engine parameters including new weight handicaps and options and finally in the ala-cart section, there is the ability to select an automatic tranny which will give you 2 seconds back.

I have the struture for the Track Factors but I've not built them into the site yet.

But for now most people should see new handicaps, not sure they will be much closer, but at least now I think we have enough options that to get it more even will just a few adjustments here and there.

Nik is going to be prototyping a second type of system at the buttonwillow event as well, which is also very nice and might end up working better overall, so we'll see.

Lasty, I have changed FC a bit, so now you can sign up for an event without paying at the FC site. It refers anyone wanting to pay for the FC event to the Redline Track Events site.

**FocusAZ1** · 09-03-2006, 08:20 PM

Thanks for all the work Bela...I'm sure the new system will be banging!

**thefrush** · 09-03-2006, 10:03 PM

Just went through it, I'm now at 6.25 points.

Althought, your weight selections read:
2200-
2200-2500
2500-2700
2700-2300
3000+

Should be 2700-3000?

**belacyrf** · 09-03-2006, 10:07 PM

No that's exactly how I planned it!!!

Otherwise would people think I'm smart... and I dont want that happening

**BUR_ZX3** · 09-03-2006, 10:32 PM

My handicap shot up suddenly to a 6.... granted I'm no longer on R-Compounds.

**Reza** · 09-03-2006, 11:08 PM

Cool mine is at 9.25

**belacyrf** · 09-04-2006, 12:13 AM

Everyone should end up with higher hdcp's.

The only way you should be at 0 is if you have over 300whp, Hoosiers, Coilovers, and are completely gutted!

**thefrush** · 09-04-2006, 12:19 AM

Like Allan?

**wallygator** · 09-04-2006, 03:58 AM

Dont forget about a big handicap for those of us with automatics.

08-31-2006, 12:34 PM	#1
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,300	FC At Buttonwillow Questions I'd like to try a few things for those who are going to participate in the Buttonwillow FC. I'd like to make changes to the Hdcp system to incorporate some of the alterations we talk about, but never seem to make. Like Track Factors and Winner Penalties I will make sure to add the new Forced Induction categories as we discussed. However are there any other changes you think need to be made? Also who are our past winners? Lorin, Kee and ??? __________________ 1995 Turbocharged Miata for sale Former owner of Turbo SVTF

08-31-2006, 12:42 PM	#2
scottishsvt TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Back in the great bay area Posts: 259	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions I won at Buttonwillow in May of 05. Scottish

08-31-2006, 02:37 PM	#3
Reza Formerly focus_wrc Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 8,508	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions This would be my First FC i might go to practice as well. as HC goes i dont really know __________________ H&R/// , Team Dynamics , FocusSport , TCE Brakes, Bridgestone.

08-31-2006, 02:41 PM	#4
slidemaster Professor PowerSlide Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: steering backward through the mirror Posts: 7,902	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Go to the FC website www.focuschallenge.com and you can make it up. __________________ Watch for "Road Trip" coming soon- check with your cable provider

08-31-2006, 02:43 PM	#5
Reza Formerly focus_wrc Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 8,508	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions i did and its 3.75 __________________ H&R/// , Team Dynamics , FocusSport , TCE Brakes, Bridgestone.

08-31-2006, 06:27 PM	#6
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,300	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Anyone see any issues with this heirarchy for power handicaps?? Naturally Aspirated Mild Stock(ish) - 8 Base HDCP Points (SPI's) Medium Stock(ish) - 7.5 Base HDCP Points (2.0 Liter) Aggressive Stock(ish) - 7 Base HDCP Points (2.3 Duratecs ) Slightly Modified - 6 Base HDCP Points Moderately Modified - 5 Base HDCP Points Moderately Modified+ - 4.5 Base HDCP Points Heavily Modified - 3.5 Base HDCP Points Heavily Modified+ - 2.75 Base HDCP Points FI Less than 200 whp Roots FI Non-Intercooled < 200whp - 4 Base HDCP Points Centrifugal FI Non-Intercooled < 200whp - 3.25 Base HDCP Points Roots Intercooled < 200whp - 3.25 Base HDCP Points Centrifugal Intercooled < 200whp - 3 Base HDCP Points FI 200 - 250 whp Roots FI Non-Intercooled > 200whp - 2.75 Base HDCP Points Centrifugal FI Non-Intercooled > 200whp - 2.5 Base HDCP Points Roots Intercooled > 200whp - 2.5 Base HDCP Points Centrifugal Intercooled > 200whp - 2 Base HDCP Points FI 250 - 300 whp Roots FI Non-Intercooled > 250whp - 2 Base HDCP Points Centrifugal FI Non-Intercooled > 250whp - 1.75 Base HDCP Points Roots Intercooled > 250whp - 1.25 Base HDCP Points Centrifugal Intercooled > 250whp - 1 Base HDCP Points FI > 300 whp Forced Induction > 300whp - 0 Base HDCP Points __________________ 1995 Turbocharged Miata for sale Former owner of Turbo SVTF

08-31-2006, 08:48 PM	#7
Reza Formerly focus_wrc Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 8,508	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions WOW i think that alot better that what we have right now. how about stock SVT with intake, 65mm TB , exhuast is about 7? __________________ H&R/// , Team Dynamics , FocusSport , TCE Brakes, Bridgestone.

08-31-2006, 09:05 PM	#8
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,300	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Stock SVT is going to start at a base of 7 and with your mods (do you have an ORP?) you will probably get knocked one level to slightly modded 6. I put Stock SVT's and Stock 2.3's in the same group. __________________ 1995 Turbocharged Miata for sale Former owner of Turbo SVTF

08-31-2006, 09:27 PM	#9
Reza Formerly focus_wrc Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 8,508	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions NO ORP here. __________________ H&R/// , Team Dynamics , FocusSport , TCE Brakes, Bridgestone.

09-01-2006, 06:30 PM	#10
slidemaster Professor PowerSlide Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: steering backward through the mirror Posts: 7,902	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Be sure there is some type of credit for autos __________________ Watch for "Road Trip" coming soon- check with your cable provider

09-02-2006, 12:09 AM	#11
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,300	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Agreed, I'm going to add Auto to the Ala-Cart and I'm thinking it will add 2 hdcp points __________________ 1995 Turbocharged Miata for sale Former owner of Turbo SVTF

09-02-2006, 02:04 PM	#12
Reza Formerly focus_wrc Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 8,508	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions how about weight i think we should have more option on that one also. __________________ H&R/// , Team Dynamics , FocusSport , TCE Brakes, Bridgestone.

09-02-2006, 02:34 PM	#13
FocusAZ1 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 2,400	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Weight was definitely one of the issues we talked about earlier too. I think there was one more too, but I can't remember it. Were we happy with the tire HDCP's? It seems like some of the Ala-Cart HDCP's were a bit excessive too, but I can't remember which ones? __________________ JCM Racing - "Corner Workers Needed" www.focuschallenge.com #37

09-02-2006, 04:41 PM	#14
slidemaster Professor PowerSlide Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: steering backward through the mirror Posts: 7,902	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Thanks David! From where I stand (in the pits with the current drivers) the auto trans is very important to a few very enthusiastic Focus guys __________________ Watch for "Road Trip" coming soon- check with your cable provider

09-03-2006, 02:36 AM	#15
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,300	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Weight is getting more options as well, I have also added the "track" factors, which allows you to give more or less strength to a given area based on track. For example, streets of willow will have a factor that gives less weight to tires and engine and more to suspension, big willow will give more weight to engine and tires and keep suspension about even, buttonwillow will probably be close to a wash from what I can see. We'll see. I've made 80% of the change, and should be able to finish the rest this weekend with ya'll to be able to configure your hdcp's again by tuesday or so as to get an idea. __________________ 1995 Turbocharged Miata for sale Former owner of Turbo SVTF

09-03-2006, 12:47 PM	#16
thefrush I <3 dyno queens Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 9,629	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Sweet man, thanks for the work to get this as even as possible. __________________ Vacuum Vulture Racing: We put the "shaft" in crankshaft. Fear usually limits us in seeing things clearly. Fear usually just gets in the way of us being happy.

09-03-2006, 07:44 PM	#17
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,300	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions The website has been updated with the new engine parameters including new weight handicaps and options and finally in the ala-cart section, there is the ability to select an automatic tranny which will give you 2 seconds back. I have the struture for the Track Factors but I've not built them into the site yet. But for now most people should see new handicaps, not sure they will be much closer, but at least now I think we have enough options that to get it more even will just a few adjustments here and there. Nik is going to be prototyping a second type of system at the buttonwillow event as well, which is also very nice and might end up working better overall, so we'll see. Lasty, I have changed FC a bit, so now you can sign up for an event without paying at the FC site. It refers anyone wanting to pay for the FC event to the Redline Track Events site. __________________ 1995 Turbocharged Miata for sale Former owner of Turbo SVTF

09-03-2006, 08:20 PM	#18
FocusAZ1 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 2,400	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Thanks for all the work Bela...I'm sure the new system will be banging! __________________ JCM Racing - "Corner Workers Needed" www.focuschallenge.com #37

09-03-2006, 10:03 PM	#19
thefrush I <3 dyno queens Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 9,629	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Just went through it, I'm now at 6.25 points. Althought, your weight selections read: 2200- 2200-2500 2500-2700 2700-2300 3000+ Should be 2700-3000? __________________ Vacuum Vulture Racing: We put the "shaft" in crankshaft. Fear usually limits us in seeing things clearly. Fear usually just gets in the way of us being happy.

09-03-2006, 10:07 PM	#20
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,300	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions No that's exactly how I planned it!!! Otherwise would people think I'm smart... and I dont want that happening __________________ 1995 Turbocharged Miata for sale Former owner of Turbo SVTF

09-03-2006, 10:32 PM	#21
BUR_ZX3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Little Saint Clara, Isle of Queen Califia Posts: 35,702	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions My handicap shot up suddenly to a 6.... granted I'm no longer on R-Compounds. __________________ Video from the final round of the Focus Challenge... Click Here

09-03-2006, 11:08 PM	#22
Reza Formerly focus_wrc Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 8,508	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Cool mine is at 9.25 __________________ H&R/// , Team Dynamics , FocusSport , TCE Brakes, Bridgestone. Last edited by Reza : 09-05-2006 at 06:10 PM.

09-04-2006, 12:13 AM	#23
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,300	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Everyone should end up with higher hdcp's. The only way you should be at 0 is if you have over 300whp, Hoosiers, Coilovers, and are completely gutted! __________________ 1995 Turbocharged Miata for sale Former owner of Turbo SVTF

09-04-2006, 12:19 AM	#24
thefrush I <3 dyno queens Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 9,629	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Like Allan? __________________ Vacuum Vulture Racing: We put the "shaft" in crankshaft. Fear usually limits us in seeing things clearly. Fear usually just gets in the way of us being happy.

09-04-2006, 03:58 AM	#25
wallygator TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: In a trailer down by the river. Posts: 421	Re: FC At Buttonwillow Questions Dont forget about a big handicap for those of us with automatics. __________________ 02 Liquid Gray ZX5 Powerworks SC www.focuschallenge.com # 909 97 Explorer XLT 5.0 AWD 97 CVPI Racing is Life. Everything before or after is just waiting.

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