Focus RS cancelled - Focaljet

**uujjj** · 06-18-2005, 02:11 AM

I guess Ford was listening to all of us complaining how the Europeans get better Fords than us.

http://www.blueovalforums.com/index.php?showtopic=18903

**silver02svtf** · 06-18-2005, 09:13 AM

It seems like ford is determined to relegate the focus to be a rental fleet special both here and now overseas...very disappointing.

**sleeperlove** · 06-18-2005, 09:52 PM

bravo ford.

Dumb bastards

**zetecgt** · 06-19-2005, 06:35 AM

*in my best announcer voice.....
"Tune in next time for the Bold and the Clueless......"

Can't wait to see what happens in the next episode

**MattMeisterr** · 06-19-2005, 10:51 PM

ford has financial problems? what BS is that?

**STFUN** · 06-20-2005, 05:18 AM

Don't read too much into that announcement, or the fact that it was in AutoExpress. Ford does indeed have financial issues, and it's the US market which is causing this. Ford Europe is n profit, the losses are from the US division, hence no C1 platform for you guys.
The announcement that the RS is "shelved" are similar to the ones that were going around before the FRS was released, albeit two years down the line, so it's a case of deja vu. 2007 may see an RS release.

**02LGZX5** · 06-20-2005, 05:55 PM

Looks like ford is starting to cheap out on the entry level stuff, i guess i would too. It's all about profit..

**FORDSVTPARTS** · 06-20-2005, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Don't read too much into that announcement, or the fact that it was in AutoExpress. Ford does indeed have financial issues, and it's the US market which is causing this. Ford Europe is n profit, the losses are from the US division, hence no C1 platform for you guys.
The announcement that the RS is "shelved" are similar to the ones that were going around before the FRS was released, albeit two years down the line, so it's a case of deja vu. 2007 may see an RS release.

You know the best part of blaming the U.S. market for it's fiancial problems?

We get stuck with the cheapest least interesting cars Ford produces.

Australia gets the mean nasty Falcons, Europe gets the Mondeo ST220 and Focus RS.

We get the underpowered Taurus, Five Hundred, they stop producing the ZX3 with the 2.3 in it and they pass us over for the Focus MK2.

They had a potential world killer here with the SVTF and they shortchanged that car in the horsepower department and then called the car a failure because they had trouble selling them.

But somehow it's our fault that we don't buy the underpowered uninteresting cars they shovel down our throats.

Do I appear to be annoyed at Ford and their treatment of their home market?

**KonaZXIII** · 06-21-2005, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Don't read too much into that announcement, or the fact that it was in AutoExpress. Ford does indeed have financial issues, and it's the US market which is causing this. Ford Europe is n profit, the losses are from the US division, hence no C1 platform for you guys.
The announcement that the RS is "shelved" are similar to the ones that were going around before the FRS was released, albeit two years down the line, so it's a case of deja vu. 2007 may see an RS release.

You know the best part of blaming the U.S. market for it's fiancial problems?

We get stuck with the cheapest least interesting cars Ford produces.

Australia gets the mean nasty Falcons, Europe gets the Mondeo ST220 and Focus RS.

We get the underpowered Taurus, Five Hundred, they stop producing the ZX3 with the 2.3 in it and they pass us over for the Focus MK2.

They had a potential world killer here with the SVTF and they shortchanged that car in the horsepower department and then called the car a failure because they had trouble selling them.

But somehow it's our fault that we don't buy the underpowered uninteresting cars they shovel down our throats.

Do I appear to be annoyed at Ford and their treatment of their home market?

Welcome to our world Steve. We've been crybabying about this for literally years.

**UltegraSTI** · 06-21-2005, 09:46 PM

if it makes sense, ford wont do it.

just a village of idiots

-Ult

**SVTBishop** · 06-22-2005, 09:58 AM

The REAL problem is you have "old" money running a company with new world concepts

**STFUN** · 06-22-2005, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Don't read too much into that announcement, or the fact that it was in AutoExpress. Ford does indeed have financial issues, and it's the US market which is causing this. Ford Europe is n profit, the losses are from the US division, hence no C1 platform for you guys.
The announcement that the RS is "shelved" are similar to the ones that were going around before the FRS was released, albeit two years down the line, so it's a case of deja vu. 2007 may see an RS release.

You know the best part of blaming the U.S. market for it's fiancial problems?

We get stuck with the cheapest least interesting cars Ford produces.

Australia gets the mean nasty Falcons, Europe gets the Mondeo ST220 and Focus RS.

We get the underpowered Taurus, Five Hundred, they stop producing the ZX3 with the 2.3 in it and they pass us over for the Focus MK2.

They had a potential world killer here with the SVTF and they shortchanged that car in the horsepower department and then called the car a failure because they had trouble selling them.

But somehow it's our fault that we don't buy the underpowered uninteresting cars they shovel down our throats.

Do I appear to be annoyed at Ford and their treatment of their home market?

You're not wrong there mate. We have had the same discussions on FFOC about the ST170 and the fact that they could have had an ST200 instead with the RS producing 250BHP or more. It was the accountants that poo-poo'd it because they were concerned about lack of sales, warranties and reliability !!

**Sonic04SVT** · 06-24-2005, 08:22 PM

I just don't get Ford sometimes, you'd think the home base would be where your products shine. You would think they would have a little pride about the products they make (for) here, but it appears to be more and more about profit and less and less about integrity. What they don't understand is if you shoot for integrity the profit will come with it.

Now, I am a diehard Ford guy, have been practically since I was born and knew what a car or truck was, however I have twice now came || close to buying a different make of vehicle. Ford seems to be shooting for the conservative aspect a little too much these days, I am no expert but I think most people want a little bit of flare in their cars (preferably the drivetrain department, who likes to drive a wimpy engine and trans?). There is a hint that they might be changing things some with SVT and that there will be more models making more power for the masses, but that's still a crap shoot and you know if the $ doesn't shape up any SVT will be scrapped. If Ford was just raise the standard from adequate power to good matching power levels (with a few overpowered here and there perhaps /evingrin) I think it could do wonders for their image and people might want to buy their cars for what they are rather then simply what they think they need.

**ZX3guy182** · 06-25-2005, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Looks like ford is starting to cheap out on the entry level stuff, i guess i would too. It's all about profit..

when havent they cheaped out on the entry level stuff. Just look outside to your focus. Quality wise, its not there. Its almost kia territory.

**TXFO** · 06-25-2005, 12:34 PM

As long as Americans keep floating ford with explorer and F150 sales, The mustang will be the best CAR you'll ever see.

After Nissan, Honda, and Toyota decimate Ford's truck sales, you might see some interesting cars start to be produced.

**uujjj** · 06-26-2005, 12:01 AM

There's nothing about trucks that make them inherently more profitable. Hitherto, the only reason Ford, GM, and Chrysler have found trucks more profitable than cars is that they have less competition. With more competition, the profit levels on trucks will fall to the same level as for cars. This is just an inevitability and Ford and GM had better start building great cars again, and fast, because Toyota is about to start eating away their truck market.

**blueovalbaboon** · 06-26-2005, 04:17 AM

Toyota's been about to eat away te truck market for years now.

The ridgeline will not be a threat. 1) it's not functional. 2) it's too small for hte poseurs.

**PoBrokeFocusLuvah** · 07-17-2005, 09:09 AM

Ridgeline reminds me of a Japanese-Built (Although it's made in the states) Chevy Avalanche with a 255hp V6...

**Jared** · 07-18-2005, 09:36 PM

The Ridgeline weirds me out because it's a unibody. That just ain't American, gosh darn it, pickups should be ladder frames!

**jinstall** · 07-19-2005, 12:05 PM

Crawl underneith one and then you will be weirded out, FWD truck?

**mwfocus** · 07-29-2005, 11:48 AM

Ford is still in economic trouble because of the firestone debacle. Ford has many issues still pending from alot of their lawsuits. One of their biggest snafu's is the development problems and total cost of production on the gt supercar. We will get the new focus sonner than you think. All we need is a car that will keep up with the cobalt ss and srt 4 neon/caliber. I would not want a balls to the wall focus rs here because i'm not buying a $28,000 focus to drive to work.

**Sonic04SVT** · 07-30-2005, 12:12 AM

I'd gladly pay ~$30-35k for a AWD 6-speed focus using the new Volvo 3.0L I-6 turbo (350hp) as long as it held true to its past handling performance, had a fairly sophisticated AWD system (no FWD bias it would need to be rear biased, and ability to send power to all wheels not just front or rear sets), was upscale somewhat (nicer interior/stereo/gauges/etc), and didn't have any odd quirks about it (such as weak drive train). Even the 285hp I-6 turbo engine variant would be acceptable; of course the 350 would be preferred

Of course the 285hp variant would not be bad if all it needed was tuning to get it to the 350 level also

Why would I pay so much for a focus? Because, the RS was as fast or faster as EVO's and STI's around most road courses even when it was 60hp or more down. Imagine being at the same hp level, or dare I say more hp....the car would be an enthusiast's dream and a whale of a bargain at anything less then $50k. Imagine one of these cars in the hands of someone modifying it, 400hp/AWD/6-speed/3000lbs/awesome handling...what more could someone want? You’re talking supercar performance for Ford bucks

Alas, I guess we can all dream right?

**Jared** · 07-31-2005, 01:07 AM

Yeah, what's with the "I won't pay $28,000 for a Focus" deal? There are $30,000 Lancers and Imprezas that sell quite nicely, and I certainly would have one if I had the money... same goes for the Focus.

**jinstall** · 08-01-2005, 02:44 PM

Bring on the "White Body" Focus RS for $28,000 and I would buy it NOW. No radio no ac no stripped.

**OneAMRadio** · 08-20-2005, 02:24 PM

That is the dumbest thing, that car sounded AWSOME, and we complained and got it cancled. Great.

-Ryan

06-18-2005, 02:11 AM	#1
uujjj Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Urbana, IL Posts: 1,339	Focus RS cancelled I guess Ford was listening to all of us complaining how the Europeans get better Fords than us. http://www.blueovalforums.com/index.php?showtopic=18903

06-18-2005, 09:13 AM	#2
silver02svtf Rookie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 14	Re: Focus RS cancelled It seems like ford is determined to relegate the focus to be a rental fleet special both here and now overseas...very disappointing.

06-18-2005, 09:52 PM	#3
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the dirt Posts: 8,525	Re: Focus RS cancelled bravo ford. Dumb bastards

06-19-2005, 06:35 AM	#4
zetecgt EXTREME douche pickle! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: $@N @NT0N10, T3X@$ Posts: 7,342	Re: Focus RS cancelled *in my best announcer voice..... "Tune in next time for the Bold and the Clueless......" Can't wait to see what happens in the next episode

06-19-2005, 10:51 PM	#5
MattMeisterr TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NN, VA Posts: 533	Re: Focus RS cancelled ford has financial problems? what BS is that?

06-20-2005, 05:18 AM	#6
STFUN TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England Posts: 964	Re: Focus RS cancelled Don't read too much into that announcement, or the fact that it was in AutoExpress. Ford does indeed have financial issues, and it's the US market which is causing this. Ford Europe is n profit, the losses are from the US division, hence no C1 platform for you guys. The announcement that the RS is "shelved" are similar to the ones that were going around before the FRS was released, albeit two years down the line, so it's a case of deja vu. 2007 may see an RS release.

06-20-2005, 05:55 PM	#7
02LGZX5 TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mc Kenney, VA. Posts: 835	Re: Focus RS cancelled Looks like ford is starting to cheap out on the entry level stuff, i guess i would too. It's all about profit..

06-21-2005, 09:46 PM	#10
UltegraSTI [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: ... Posts: 7,196	Re: Focus RS cancelled if it makes sense, ford wont do it. just a village of idiots -Ult

06-22-2005, 09:58 AM	#11
SVTBishop Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: E. Syracuse Posts: 1,511	Re: Focus RS cancelled The REAL problem is you have "old" money running a company with new world concepts

06-24-2005, 08:22 PM	#13
Sonic04SVT TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 417	Re: Focus RS cancelled I just don't get Ford sometimes, you'd think the home base would be where your products shine. You would think they would have a little pride about the products they make (for) here, but it appears to be more and more about profit and less and less about integrity. What they don't understand is if you shoot for integrity the profit will come with it. Now, I am a diehard Ford guy, have been practically since I was born and knew what a car or truck was, however I have twice now came \|\| close to buying a different make of vehicle. Ford seems to be shooting for the conservative aspect a little too much these days, I am no expert but I think most people want a little bit of flare in their cars (preferably the drivetrain department, who likes to drive a wimpy engine and trans?). There is a hint that they might be changing things some with SVT and that there will be more models making more power for the masses, but that's still a crap shoot and you know if the $ doesn't shape up any SVT will be scrapped. If Ford was just raise the standard from adequate power to good matching power levels (with a few overpowered here and there perhaps /evingrin) I think it could do wonders for their image and people might want to buy their cars for what they are rather then simply what they think they need.

06-25-2005, 12:34 PM	#15
TXFO Not Special Enough Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: My sweet insanity Posts: 12,963	Re: Focus RS cancelled As long as Americans keep floating ford with explorer and F150 sales, The mustang will be the best CAR you'll ever see. After Nissan, Honda, and Toyota decimate Ford's truck sales, you might see some interesting cars start to be produced.

06-26-2005, 12:01 AM	#16
uujjj Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Urbana, IL Posts: 1,339	Re: Focus RS cancelled There's nothing about trucks that make them inherently more profitable. Hitherto, the only reason Ford, GM, and Chrysler have found trucks more profitable than cars is that they have less competition. With more competition, the profit levels on trucks will fall to the same level as for cars. This is just an inevitability and Ford and GM had better start building great cars again, and fast, because Toyota is about to start eating away their truck market.

06-26-2005, 04:17 AM	#17
blueovalbaboon Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX (my once and future--but not right now--home Posts: 16,116	Re: Focus RS cancelled Toyota's been about to eat away te truck market for years now. The ridgeline will not be a threat. 1) it's not functional. 2) it's too small for hte poseurs.

07-17-2005, 09:09 AM	#18
PoBrokeFocusLuvah Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii Posts: 1,450	Re: Focus RS cancelled Ridgeline reminds me of a Japanese-Built (Although it's made in the states) Chevy Avalanche with a 255hp V6...

07-18-2005, 09:36 PM	#19
Jared Moderator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allentown, PA Posts: 15,805	Re: Focus RS cancelled The Ridgeline weirds me out because it's a unibody. That just ain't American, gosh darn it, pickups should be ladder frames!

07-19-2005, 12:05 PM	#20
jinstall [FJ] Addict Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Manassas/Ft Belvoir VA Posts: 12,985	Re: Focus RS cancelled Crawl underneith one and then you will be weirded out, FWD truck?

07-29-2005, 11:48 AM	#21
mwfocus TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 347	Re: Focus RS cancelled Ford is still in economic trouble because of the firestone debacle. Ford has many issues still pending from alot of their lawsuits. One of their biggest snafu's is the development problems and total cost of production on the gt supercar. We will get the new focus sonner than you think. All we need is a car that will keep up with the cobalt ss and srt 4 neon/caliber. I would not want a balls to the wall focus rs here because i'm not buying a $28,000 focus to drive to work.

07-30-2005, 12:12 AM	#22
Sonic04SVT TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 417	Re: Focus RS cancelled I'd gladly pay ~$30-35k for a AWD 6-speed focus using the new Volvo 3.0L I-6 turbo (350hp) as long as it held true to its past handling performance, had a fairly sophisticated AWD system (no FWD bias it would need to be rear biased, and ability to send power to all wheels not just front or rear sets), was upscale somewhat (nicer interior/stereo/gauges/etc), and didn't have any odd quirks about it (such as weak drive train). Even the 285hp I-6 turbo engine variant would be acceptable; of course the 350 would be preferred Of course the 285hp variant would not be bad if all it needed was tuning to get it to the 350 level also Why would I pay so much for a focus? Because, the RS was as fast or faster as EVO's and STI's around most road courses even when it was 60hp or more down. Imagine being at the same hp level, or dare I say more hp....the car would be an enthusiast's dream and a whale of a bargain at anything less then $50k. Imagine one of these cars in the hands of someone modifying it, 400hp/AWD/6-speed/3000lbs/awesome handling...what more could someone want? You’re talking supercar performance for Ford bucks Alas, I guess we can all dream right?

07-31-2005, 01:07 AM	#23
Jared Moderator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allentown, PA Posts: 15,805	Re: Focus RS cancelled Yeah, what's with the "I won't pay $28,000 for a Focus" deal? There are $30,000 Lancers and Imprezas that sell quite nicely, and I certainly would have one if I had the money... same goes for the Focus.

08-01-2005, 02:44 PM	#24
jinstall [FJ] Addict Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Manassas/Ft Belvoir VA Posts: 12,985	Re: Focus RS cancelled Bring on the "White Body" Focus RS for $28,000 and I would buy it NOW. No radio no ac no stripped.

08-20-2005, 02:24 PM	#25
OneAMRadio TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Menomonee Falls, WI Posts: 662	Re: Focus RS cancelled That is the dumbest thing, that car sounded AWSOME, and we complained and got it cancled. Great. -Ryan

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