Are you using factory SVT intake manifold with forced induction??? - Focaljet

**CFM Focus** · 06-30-2006, 09:25 PM

If you're boosting with the stock SVT intake manifold (ProCharger, Vortech, Turbo) then you might be in for a big and costly surprise if you don't make one of the following changes soon:

1. Disconnect DSI toggle cable
2. Program ECU to run either the short runners OR long runners ALL THE TIME!

Failure to do either will cost you at the least a valve if not a valve and a piston. Unfortunately, one of our customers became a victim after only a couple of weeks of FI. You have been warned!

**CFM Focus** · 06-30-2006, 09:26 PM

Maybe this should get added to the FI sticky?

**COSDEVSVT** · 06-30-2006, 09:50 PM

Yep.

There is a internal seal that can brittle and break off and get sucked into an intake runner ... eventually it will find it's way into the chamber.

We had a customer that this happened to as well. A piece broke off and was residing in his intake runner while he was NA. When he installed the PW blower, the boost forced it into the chamber.

**CFM Focus** · 06-30-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by COSDEVSVT

We had an customer that this happen to as well. A piece broke off and was residing in his intake runner while he was NA. When he installed the PW blower, the boost forced it into the chamber.

Wow, I didn't know they would break while NA. That is really bad!

**COSDEVSVT** · 06-30-2006, 10:03 PM

I'm guessing a poor choice of material to begin with ... must not age well.

Plastic and engines/underhood environment really don't mix well for the long term ...

**ArmyFocus** · 07-01-2006, 01:06 AM

So in other words I will need to disable to the DSI clip by removing the cable coming from the IMRC? What effects will this have on performance, if at all? Also, is anybody looking into a way to fix this issue?

Jason

**CFM Focus** · 07-01-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmyFocus

So in other words I will need to disable to the DSI clip by removing the cable coming from the IMRC? What effects will this have on performance, if at all? Also, is anybody looking into a way to fix this issue?

Jason

The correct way would be through programming the ECU to run EITHER the short OR long runners ALL the time. That means no switching AT ALL. Using the short runners will give you higher rpm power and long runners will give you better torque down low.

We were thinking of splitting the manifolds in half and welding the plastic ring to the main body so it will not come loose but know that COSDEVSVT mentioned that they are breaking even in NA applications then we might have to think of something different. If the plastic is becoming brittle then it probably won't weld very well. We might have to make some billet replacements that will press on much tighter and will not break or distort under boost.

**orangeZXT** · 07-01-2006, 10:43 AM

sweet idea can u make the whole manifold, maybe make the runners i bit bigger or some improvements to it?

**ArmyFocus** · 07-01-2006, 10:57 AM

can I program the runners via the ECU using my Predator?

Jason

**CFM Focus** · 07-01-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeZXT

sweet idea can u make the whole manifold, maybe make the runners i bit bigger or some improvements to it?

We have looked and are still looking into possibly making a manifold but so far the quotes have been too high. The SVT manifold isn't too bad if we can get this issue solved.

**CFM Focus** · 07-01-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyFocus

can I program the runners via the ECU using my Predator?

Jason

I doubt the pre-programmed Predator has that feature. If not, it would have to be done via a custom tune. If we end up doing the ProCharger install for you it will be tuned with SCT and we'll be able to take care of that.

**dimm** · 07-01-2006, 02:12 PM

Thanks guys....you just made me scared as hell to drive my freakin car....I appreciate that.....

I'm only N/A too.....

So the piece was residing in the heads intake runner....great.....

**CFM Focus** · 07-01-2006, 02:35 PM

We will try to have a fix for this ASAP.

**Ray** · 07-01-2006, 04:12 PM

You've gotta be freakin' kidding me. Maybe make a mid length intake runner (aftermarket)

oi.

adding to the references thread.

**MEANSVT** · 07-01-2006, 06:12 PM

dang this sucks now i have to worry about this when i drive.

**tracksidelogistics** · 07-01-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by COSDEVSVT

Yep.

There is a internal seal that can brittle and break off and get sucked into an intake runner ... eventually it will find it's way into the chamber.

We had a customer that this happened to as well. A piece broke off and was residing in his intake runner while he was NA. When he installed the PW blower, the boost forced it into the chamber.

After the fact how did you determine it happened while NA?

**CFM Focus** · 07-02-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tracksidelogistics

After the fact how did you determine it happened while NA?

Because the PW kit replaces the factory intake manifold which is a big plus.

**tracksidelogistics** · 07-02-2006, 09:58 AM

So while NA the the seal came off the stock intake and went into the head. Then when FI the seal was forced further in and caused damage?

**lourenco** · 07-02-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by 1turbofocus
As for the SVT Intake i did a write up on it back in late 2002 about the inner white/green seals coming off the end of each of the runners all you have to do is remove the TB and fish in there and pop them loose and take them out , after doing so i saw to power loss on the dyno from removing them and it is a quick fix to cure the problem
It is very common for them to come loose but VERY rare they hurt the engine
Tom

Here is what Tom said.

**COSDEVSVT** · 07-02-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tracksidelogistics

So while NA the the seal came off the stock intake and went into the head. Then when FI the seal was forced further in and caused damage?

It wasn't the entire seal (just a piece of it), but yes.

It was discovered when the customer took a really close look into his factory SVT manifold and found the piece of the seal missing.

You need to be a contortionist to be able to easily look down the head intake runners with the engine in the car.

**ArmyFocus** · 07-02-2006, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CFM Focus

I doubt the pre-programmed Predator has that feature. If not, it would have to be done via a custom tune. If we end up doing the ProCharger install for you it will be tuned with SCT and we'll be able to take care of that.

Awesome, I'll let you take care of it for me then.

Jason

**CatMostFeared** · 07-02-2006, 11:28 AM

mamma says SVT focus is the devil

**ArmyFocus** · 07-02-2006, 03:33 PM

yeah, but that's okay, 'cause me and Lucifer are buddies. (j/k of course)

Jason

06-30-2006, 09:25 PM	#1
CFM Focus Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: www.c-f-m.com Posts: 1,506	Are you using factory SVT intake manifold with forced induction??? If you're boosting with the stock SVT intake manifold (ProCharger, Vortech, Turbo) then you might be in for a big and costly surprise if you don't make one of the following changes soon: 1. Disconnect DSI toggle cable 2. Program ECU to run either the short runners OR long runners ALL THE TIME! Failure to do either will cost you at the least a valve if not a valve and a piston. Unfortunately, one of our customers became a victim after only a couple of weeks of FI. You have been warned! __________________ Central Florida Motorsports, Inc. - Since 1996 sales@c-f-m.com / NEW! Online Customer Service - Live Chat / 407.339.9211 / Subscribe to CFM Forum We match ALL advertised prices on products we carry! Our Latest Products / SVT Focus Parts Video of our 12 second Vortech Supercharged 1/4 mile Focus / Specs / Timeslip / Dyno .:Focus Showoff:. Picture and Video Gallery

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COSDEVSVT Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,000	Re: Are you using factory SVT intake manifold with forced induction??? Yep. There is a internal seal that can brittle and break off and get sucked into an intake runner ... eventually it will find it's way into the chamber. We had a customer that this happened to as well. A piece broke off and was residing in his intake runner while he was NA. When he installed the PW blower, the boost forced it into the chamber. __________________ '04 PW (#1) Competition Orange SVT 5-door Euro Last edited by COSDEVSVT : 06-30-2006 at 10:04 PM.

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COSDEVSVT Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,000	Re: Are you using factory SVT intake manifold with forced induction??? I'm guessing a poor choice of material to begin with ... must not age well. Plastic and engines/underhood environment really don't mix well for the long term ... __________________ '04 PW (#1) Competition Orange SVT 5-door Euro

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ArmyFocus Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: your mom's house Posts: 2,711	Re: Are you using factory SVT intake manifold with forced induction??? So in other words I will need to disable to the DSI clip by removing the cable coming from the IMRC? What effects will this have on performance, if at all? Also, is anybody looking into a way to fix this issue? Jason __________________ 2006 Dodge Ram SLT 4x4 Quad cab. Custom exhaust, Alpine and JL Audio sound system Old: 2002 ProCharged SVTF 2000 Dodge Dakota

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ArmyFocus Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: your mom's house Posts: 2,711	Re: Are you using factory SVT intake manifold with forced induction??? yeah, but that's okay, 'cause me and Lucifer are buddies. (j/k of course) Jason __________________ 2006 Dodge Ram SLT 4x4 Quad cab. Custom exhaust, Alpine and JL Audio sound system Old: 2002 ProCharged SVTF 2000 Dodge Dakota