Supercharger Progress! - The Ford Focus Forum

**f2focus** · 10-07-2009, 05:56 PM

Since I have not been here much lately...here is the latest update on the Supercharger for the Duratec. We have been working with Kraftwerks on this for a little while and we finally got the Mazda 3 dialed in correctly. The next phase of cars will be cycling through and yes it is the Focus. We have the new brackets made for the Focus and have a new supercharger on the way to install it and get a working kit on the car. We will be installing one on a 2005 2.0L ATX and another on a 2008 2.0L 5-speed.

Take a look at the dyno graph from our last run at Kraftwerks, Stage 1 on a 2004 Mazda 3 2.3L 5-speed.

**iceguyb14** · 10-07-2009, 06:03 PM

how much psi?

whos doing the tuning?

**f2focus** · 10-07-2009, 06:06 PM

PSI is not really relevant with a supercharger as getting up to speed...but that was at 4.3psi

And we are using Kraftwerks ECU on this setup...

**iceguyb14** · 10-07-2009, 06:13 PM

not bad peak numbers for 4.3 psi, is that whp?

why does the hp drop so much from 5750-7000rpms?

**f2focus** · 10-07-2009, 06:25 PM

That is whp....

The reason of the drop is we have a restrictor in the supercharger and that helps to keep the AFR's happy. The curves are similar to all of Kraftwerks Supercharger setups....Oscar Jackson loves it and blessed it so we leave it alone...

**OmniFocus** · 10-07-2009, 06:33 PM

Is that 1.15 = 1.15 inches?

**f2focus** · 10-07-2009, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmniFocus

Is that 1.15 = 1.15 inches?

Yes 1.15" (inches)

**ClintB1321** · 10-07-2009, 08:07 PM

so kraftwerks SC's dont make top end power? i saw a dyno for a kraftwerks S2000 and miata and the power doesnt dip like that on those

**f2focus** · 10-07-2009, 08:24 PM

Did you look at the Dyno for the Honda Fit? And the Miata kit?

The s2000 also has a drop but not as big....also not a fair comparison...S2000 and Duratec on a Mazda 3 or Focus...

**ClintB1321** · 10-07-2009, 09:08 PM

how come the miata only drops off 7hp while the duratec dyno you have falls over 25hp?

fit only fails 15hp...?

why cant the AF ratio work in the upper rpm's without this restrictor?

**ehancock** · 10-07-2009, 09:17 PM

Because the mazda ecu doesn't play nice with others. It's hard to tune properly

**ClintB1321** · 10-07-2009, 09:19 PM

^word

**f2focus** · 10-07-2009, 09:24 PM

We are playing a percentage game on how much fuel the car needs and how much the ECU wants to pull back...we have to be in a certain range...the stock ECU want to naturally pull the fuel at the top end and that created pinging...no good...so we compensated for it...

Oscar wanted to move the power band and then at the end choke it off to keep the AFR's....all I can say is he is awesome to work with and I look forward to working with him and Jr. on the other projects and vehicles we have lined up....

**ehancock** · 10-07-2009, 09:27 PM

So, the focus kit will probably have a completely different power band because of the ability to tune it properly?

**polarisman14** · 10-07-2009, 09:34 PM

^^I would certainly hope so.

**ClintB1321** · 10-07-2009, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f2focus

We are playing a percentage game on how much fuel the car needs and how much the ECU wants to pull back...we have to be in a certain range...the stock ECU want to naturally pull the fuel at the top end and that created pinging...no good...so we compensated for it...

Oscar wanted to move the power band and then at the end choke it off to keep the AFR's...

gotcha

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehancock

So, the focus kit will probably have a completely different power band because of the ability to tune it properly?

prolly make more power

**Focus_Pokus** · 10-07-2009, 11:18 PM

Exciting news! Can't wait to see this progress. Will this delete the AC as I've heard before?

**f2focus** · 10-07-2009, 11:22 PM

No this will not delete the AC we made a new bracket that will keep it...

And we expect the Focus curve to be a lot better than the Mazda one...

**norcaljess** · 10-07-2009, 11:34 PM

This is great news for me cuz i have a 2.3l duratec wich is automatic. I was planning on making it into a stick and putting a turbo on it. But if everything works out and make a superchager for the 2.3l ill buy it instead. How much would it be?

**bryst06** · 10-07-2009, 11:53 PM

are you guys setting a time frame? Is this in the final works for end of year or not till 2010?

**f2focus** · 10-08-2009, 12:47 AM

Well the 2008 Focus gets the bracket and charger installed next week, plumbed and on to Kraftwerks next weekend or the weekend after for tuning and testing...we hope to have final product on the car by early next month and released by thanksgiving. We have CARB testing coming up in Early december on the Mazda and trying to the Focus in at the same time...

Pricing is not set yet but we should get some final numbers from Kraftwerks this week.

**pzev04boy** · 10-08-2009, 01:27 AM

Will this be intercooled for the focus? Also I hope you are planning more boost. Otherwise it looks promising.

**FORD_07** · 10-08-2009, 01:35 AM

so according to their site, the kit for the fit is about 3K...expecting a similar price for our cars?

**f2focus** · 10-08-2009, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORD_07

so according to their site, the kit for the fit is about 3K...expecting a similar price for our cars?

it would be nice if it would be 3k...but the fit uses one of the smallest superchargers Rotrex makes. We are using a C30-74 not the same supercharger at all. So I expect pricing to be more than that...also remember the kit will be CARB legal...

**f2focus** · 10-08-2009, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzev04boy

Will this be intercooled for the focus? Also I hope you are planning more boost. Otherwise it looks promising.

We will have a stage 1 (CARB legal), Stage 2 and Stage 3.

Stage 1 is not intecooled but the others stages will be...

10-07-2009, 05:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
f2focus Associate Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 2,433	Supercharger Progress! Since I have not been here much lately...here is the latest update on the Supercharger for the Duratec. We have been working with Kraftwerks on this for a little while and we finally got the Mazda 3 dialed in correctly. The next phase of cars will be cycling through and yes it is the Focus. We have the new brackets made for the Focus and have a new supercharger on the way to install it and get a working kit on the car. We will be installing one on a 2005 2.0L ATX and another on a 2008 2.0L 5-speed. Take a look at the dyno graph from our last run at Kraftwerks, Stage 1 on a 2004 Mazda 3 2.3L 5-speed. __________________ Authorized Dealer for: Brembo Brakes, Clutchnet, Vogtland, Eibach, Koni, Tokico, Ingalls, Ireland Engineering, Crower Cams, Supertech, ACT Clutch, ARP Studs, Kyowa Wheels, Nitto Tires, Toyo Tires, StopTech Brakes, Centric Brakes, TurboSmart, Cosworth, Street Scene. www.f2focus.com Vehicles: 2008 Ford Fusion, 2008 Focus Coupe, 2010 Mazda 3 (Coming), 2011 Fiesta (planned)

10-07-2009, 06:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
iceguyb14 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia Posts: 2,504	Re: Supercharger Progress! how much psi? whos doing the tuning? __________________ - Jeff 250whp/245wtq at 11psi... *ENGINE BUILD PARTS/COSSIE IM/FSW STAGE 1 TURBO KIT/EXEDY HYPERSINGLE/FORD RACING HEAD COMPLETE WITH EVERYTHING FOR SALE!!! PM me for info.. FIRST COME FIRST SERVE*

10-07-2009, 06:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
f2focus Associate Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 2,433	Re: Supercharger Progress! PSI is not really relevant with a supercharger as getting up to speed...but that was at 4.3psi And we are using Kraftwerks ECU on this setup... __________________ Authorized Dealer for: Brembo Brakes, Clutchnet, Vogtland, Eibach, Koni, Tokico, Ingalls, Ireland Engineering, Crower Cams, Supertech, ACT Clutch, ARP Studs, Kyowa Wheels, Nitto Tires, Toyo Tires, StopTech Brakes, Centric Brakes, TurboSmart, Cosworth, Street Scene. www.f2focus.com Vehicles: 2008 Ford Fusion, 2008 Focus Coupe, 2010 Mazda 3 (Coming), 2011 Fiesta (planned)

10-07-2009, 06:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
iceguyb14 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia Posts: 2,504	Re: Supercharger Progress! not bad peak numbers for 4.3 psi, is that whp? why does the hp drop so much from 5750-7000rpms? __________________ - Jeff 250whp/245wtq at 11psi... *ENGINE BUILD PARTS/COSSIE IM/FSW STAGE 1 TURBO KIT/EXEDY HYPERSINGLE/FORD RACING HEAD COMPLETE WITH EVERYTHING FOR SALE!!! PM me for info.. FIRST COME FIRST SERVE*

10-07-2009, 06:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
f2focus Associate Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 2,433	Re: Supercharger Progress! That is whp.... The reason of the drop is we have a restrictor in the supercharger and that helps to keep the AFR's happy. The curves are similar to all of Kraftwerks Supercharger setups....Oscar Jackson loves it and blessed it so we leave it alone... __________________ Authorized Dealer for: Brembo Brakes, Clutchnet, Vogtland, Eibach, Koni, Tokico, Ingalls, Ireland Engineering, Crower Cams, Supertech, ACT Clutch, ARP Studs, Kyowa Wheels, Nitto Tires, Toyo Tires, StopTech Brakes, Centric Brakes, TurboSmart, Cosworth, Street Scene. www.f2focus.com Vehicles: 2008 Ford Fusion, 2008 Focus Coupe, 2010 Mazda 3 (Coming), 2011 Fiesta (planned)

10-07-2009, 06:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
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10-07-2009, 08:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,365	Re: Supercharger Progress! so kraftwerks SC's dont make top end power? i saw a dyno for a kraftwerks S2000 and miata and the power doesnt dip like that on those __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

10-07-2009, 08:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
f2focus Associate Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 2,433	Re: Supercharger Progress! Did you look at the Dyno for the Honda Fit? And the Miata kit? The s2000 also has a drop but not as big....also not a fair comparison...S2000 and Duratec on a Mazda 3 or Focus... __________________ Authorized Dealer for: Brembo Brakes, Clutchnet, Vogtland, Eibach, Koni, Tokico, Ingalls, Ireland Engineering, Crower Cams, Supertech, ACT Clutch, ARP Studs, Kyowa Wheels, Nitto Tires, Toyo Tires, StopTech Brakes, Centric Brakes, TurboSmart, Cosworth, Street Scene. www.f2focus.com Vehicles: 2008 Ford Fusion, 2008 Focus Coupe, 2010 Mazda 3 (Coming), 2011 Fiesta (planned) Last edited by f2focus; 10-07-2009 at 08:33 PM.

10-07-2009, 09:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,365	Re: Supercharger Progress! how come the miata only drops off 7hp while the duratec dyno you have falls over 25hp? fit only fails 15hp...? why cant the AF ratio work in the upper rpm's without this restrictor? __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

10-07-2009, 09:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
ehancock Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Plymouth, MI Posts: 1,301	Re: Supercharger Progress! Because the mazda ecu doesn't play nice with others. It's hard to tune properly Last edited by ehancock; 10-08-2009 at 08:59 AM.

10-07-2009, 09:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,365	Re: Supercharger Progress! ^word __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

10-07-2009, 09:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
f2focus Associate Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 2,433	Re: Supercharger Progress! We are playing a percentage game on how much fuel the car needs and how much the ECU wants to pull back...we have to be in a certain range...the stock ECU want to naturally pull the fuel at the top end and that created pinging...no good...so we compensated for it... Oscar wanted to move the power band and then at the end choke it off to keep the AFR's....all I can say is he is awesome to work with and I look forward to working with him and Jr. on the other projects and vehicles we have lined up.... __________________ Authorized Dealer for: Brembo Brakes, Clutchnet, Vogtland, Eibach, Koni, Tokico, Ingalls, Ireland Engineering, Crower Cams, Supertech, ACT Clutch, ARP Studs, Kyowa Wheels, Nitto Tires, Toyo Tires, StopTech Brakes, Centric Brakes, TurboSmart, Cosworth, Street Scene. www.f2focus.com Vehicles: 2008 Ford Fusion, 2008 Focus Coupe, 2010 Mazda 3 (Coming), 2011 Fiesta (planned)

10-07-2009, 09:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
ehancock Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Plymouth, MI Posts: 1,301	Re: Supercharger Progress! So, the focus kit will probably have a completely different power band because of the ability to tune it properly?

10-07-2009, 09:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
polarisman14 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Henniker, NH Posts: 3,941	Re: Supercharger Progress! ^^I would certainly hope so. __________________ --UnFocused1-- AKA >>Matt<< --01 Focus "FCS-PWR" 350+whp Work-In-Progress-- <03 Ranger 4.0L "SKIGOD" DD: CAI, custom side exhaust, audio> >86 Ninja 250R "GOPED" 50+mpg bullet: Slip-ons, Pod filters, Jet kit, LED signals, custom plate bracket<

10-07-2009, 11:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
Focus_Pokus TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chico, CA Posts: 301	Re: Supercharger Progress! Exciting news! Can't wait to see this progress. Will this delete the AC as I've heard before? __________________ '03 D23 ZX5 + Cosworth CAI & ICE \| 2.5" FSWerks Race Exhaust

10-07-2009, 11:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
f2focus Associate Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 2,433	Re: Supercharger Progress! No this will not delete the AC we made a new bracket that will keep it... And we expect the Focus curve to be a lot better than the Mazda one... __________________ Authorized Dealer for: Brembo Brakes, Clutchnet, Vogtland, Eibach, Koni, Tokico, Ingalls, Ireland Engineering, Crower Cams, Supertech, ACT Clutch, ARP Studs, Kyowa Wheels, Nitto Tires, Toyo Tires, StopTech Brakes, Centric Brakes, TurboSmart, Cosworth, Street Scene. www.f2focus.com Vehicles: 2008 Ford Fusion, 2008 Focus Coupe, 2010 Mazda 3 (Coming), 2011 Fiesta (planned)

10-07-2009, 11:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
norcaljess TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AROMAS, CALIFORNIA Posts: 573	Re: Supercharger Progress! This is great news for me cuz i have a 2.3l duratec wich is automatic. I was planning on making it into a stick and putting a turbo on it. But if everything works out and make a superchager for the 2.3l ill buy it instead. How much would it be?

10-07-2009, 11:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
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10-08-2009, 12:47 AM	#21 (permalink)
f2focus Associate Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 2,433	Re: Supercharger Progress! Well the 2008 Focus gets the bracket and charger installed next week, plumbed and on to Kraftwerks next weekend or the weekend after for tuning and testing...we hope to have final product on the car by early next month and released by thanksgiving. We have CARB testing coming up in Early december on the Mazda and trying to the Focus in at the same time... Pricing is not set yet but we should get some final numbers from Kraftwerks this week. __________________ Authorized Dealer for: Brembo Brakes, Clutchnet, Vogtland, Eibach, Koni, Tokico, Ingalls, Ireland Engineering, Crower Cams, Supertech, ACT Clutch, ARP Studs, Kyowa Wheels, Nitto Tires, Toyo Tires, StopTech Brakes, Centric Brakes, TurboSmart, Cosworth, Street Scene. www.f2focus.com Vehicles: 2008 Ford Fusion, 2008 Focus Coupe, 2010 Mazda 3 (Coming), 2011 Fiesta (planned)

10-08-2009, 01:27 AM	#22 (permalink)
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10-08-2009, 01:35 AM	#23 (permalink)
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