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Old 05-15-2002, 04:26 PM   #1
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This belongs in Ford News, mods please move it there.

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DEARBORN -- Ford Motor Co., searching for ways to reduce expenses after losing $5.45 billion last year, is betting shoppers won't notice if it removes amenities such as rear seat ashtrays or map pockets behind the driver's seat.

The No. 2 automaker is planning to eliminate a number of features -- without hurting customer satisfaction or reducing quality -- from its vehicles beginning in the 2003 model year as part of a widespread campaign to cut product development costs as much as $2.5 billion.

The moves mark a radical change in philosophy at Ford. Under former Chief Executive Jacques Nasser, who was fired in October, 2001, Ford often loaded cars and trucks with features that didn't always pay off in fatter profits.

Ford outlined the strategy Tuesday for 125 securities analysts and The Detroit News. The briefings, at Ford's so-called total cost management center, were intended to reassure skeptical investors that the company's turnaround plan is on track. Wall Street has been concerned partly because Ford officials have acknowledged that product-development costs were still rising.

In addition to analyzing vehicle content, Ford also has assigned hundreds of engineers to search for ways to build vehicles more cheaply without sacrificing performance or durability, and it is working with suppliers to lower purchasing costs.

GM is also under orders from Vice-Chairman Bob Lutz to remove content and features that customers won't miss. The automaker did face some backlash after revealing earlier this year its decision to make anti-lock brakes optional on low-end cars.

The Chrysler unit of DaimlerChrysler AG is also seeking to cut costs by removing certain previously standard features, including tachometers on base-model minivans and roof racks on Jeep Grand Cherokees.

All of Ford's measures -- including supplier price concessions, engineering cost savings and elimination of costly features -- are intended to cut an average of $700 from the cost of every car, truck and minivan produced by 2005, said Jim Padilla, Ford's group vice president of Ford North America. "It's not going to be easy, but we are going to have to reach that goal," Padilla said. The cost-cutting campaign is part of a series of moves intended to boost the company's earnings by $9 billion by mid-decade.

The new Ford Expedition full-size sport-utility vehicle that is hitting showrooms this spring and the redesigned F-Series pickups, due out next year, are more expensive to build than the models they replaced.

"This is in sharp contrast to the 1999 redesign of the (General Motors Corp.) large pickups, which reduced costs by approximately $2,000 per unit," Prudential Securities analyst Michael Bruynesteyn wrote in a recent report.

The cost difference has allowed GM to offer buyers hefty rebates and still make a profit.

Ford senior managers now meet weekly for several hours to find ways to tackle bloated costs and pore over possible solutions. The practice of removing features to save money is particularly tricky: Ford and other automakers are trying to cut content without turning off customers or sacrificing safety.

Removing features backfired in 1997 when Ford stripped certain items from the popular Taurus sedan, only to see customers migrate to better-equipped Honda Accord and Toyota Camry models.

"We are not going to decontent the way we did in the mid-1990s, where it was very visible," said Phil Martens, Ford vice-president for vehicle programs.

Ford instead conducted extensive research with customers, said Bob Graziano, director of Ford North American product marketing, to determine which features were important to customers. Height-adjustable driver's seats and tow hooks, for example, proved very important to consumers while backseat ash trays and advanced air purifiers were less important.

Possibly more important to Ford's goal of cutting $700 a vehicle is a large-scale effort to find cheaper ways to engineer and build vehicles. In January, Ford assigned 300 engineers to work with suppliers to find cost savings. Buoyed by early successes, another 700 engineers were added to the team.

Ford offered several examples to securities analysts Tuesday.

In one case, Ford discovered that using an adhesive to mount the window on the sliding door of its Windstar minivan rather than securing the glass with 12 bolts could save $20 a vehicle or $15 million dollars a year.

Engineers also found that the foam padding on the roof of the Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town Car could be replaced with a less expensive sheet of energy-absorbing plastic cones. The change will save Ford $32 million a year. "Think of it as bubble wrap for cars," Ford engineer Otis Spraw said.

Ford said dozens of these cost-saving projects are in the works. "You save a few pennies here and a few dollars there and it starts to add up," said John Kollar, an analyst with HSBC Securities. "They have to make sure, though, that this doesn't affect quality."<hr></blockquote>

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Old 05-15-2002, 04:37 PM   #2
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Thats a crock of **** what those AMERICAN car companies are doing. Just make them cheaper and cheaper. I'm not surprised. What a nuch of crooks [img]graemlins/thumbdown.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img]
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Old 05-15-2002, 04:40 PM   #3
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i can say one thing....when expensive things get cut, expensive divisions (ie SVT) get lean. If I were a specialty vehicle buyer on the fense right now, I'd be going to plac my order now as nothing is certain.


on the other hand it does take these "cost cutting" measures a few years to go into place.
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Old 05-15-2002, 04:46 PM   #4
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ZX3 rally how is that a crock of ****? would you rather have ford keep losing money and then start cutting jobs?
so you are saying that you use backseat ashtrays and you wouldnt want a tachometer on a base model minivan?
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Old 05-15-2002, 04:55 PM   #5
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start by reducing executive compensation from the top down if they are really serious..

Then take a long, hard, serious look at how many layers of management are laying around at Auburn Hills and make some cuts.

If changes don't hurt everyone, then they are only minor adjustments and are temporary.
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Old 05-15-2002, 05:02 PM   #6
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I don't mind seeing things removed that I don't use. I just wished they asked my opinion first. If I could remove stuff I didn't use, I would remove:

<ul type="square">[*]Ashtrays - Ugh...smoking...[*]Foam padding, if any, from headliner - Just make it look nice[*]Spare Tire - Just kidding![*]Airbag warning on visor - Alas, we cannot, for those who yet don't understand how they work[*]Rear cup holder - I'm not back there![/list]
Well, thinking about my Focus is hard. There isn't much I don't use. What items would you remove?
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Old 05-15-2002, 05:09 PM   #7
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Ya good idea find people who will work for free! That will help????? I guess if you had a basketball team full of free agents who played for free you think you would win the title every year because of their love for the game? please.

Talent costs, that does not mean a few could go,but hey free?

As far as decontent or ilimination its a fine idea better then the alternative. A SVT with sports seats in full cloth in place of leather, fine by me. Adhesive instaead of bolts, why not?

This is just normal business, plane and simple thats all!
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Old 05-15-2002, 05:15 PM   #8
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What about rear map pockets?

The decontenting is already starting in the Focus, the sun visors are covered in Vinyl instead of headliner fabric.

IMO Ford is going about this the wormng way. Making cars cheaper is not the answer, making cars better is the answer.

How Ford can save money and improve it's image:

1. Eliminate all possible differences between the European and US models, use the same bumpers, mirrors lighting, suspension, etc. Net result is less development cost and fewer items to purchase.

2. Eliminate the Taurus and replace it with the Mondeo, keep the US Mondeo the same as the European (like the Focus).

3. Kill the Windstar and build a new Ford/Mercury Minivan based on the Mazda MPV.

4. Sell the Ranger Crew Cab in the US, kill the Explorer SportTrac.

5. Bring the Duratec NOW! Kill the Zetec and SPI once and for all.

6. Sell the Fiesta here, make it your new low end, and take the pricing pressure off the Focus.
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Old 05-15-2002, 05:16 PM   #9
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Mike-SVT:
start by reducing executive compensation from the top down if they are really serious..

Then take a long, hard, serious look at how many layers of management are laying around at Auburn Hills and make some cuts.

If changes don't hurt everyone, then they are only minor adjustments and are temporary.
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What are you talking about? Auburn Hills is DCX country.

Executive compensation doesn't exist right now at Ford.

Get your facts straight.
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Old 05-15-2002, 06:29 PM   #10
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by raitchison:
What about rear map pockets?

The decontenting is already starting in the Focus, the sun visors are covered in Vinyl instead of headliner fabric.

IMO Ford is going about this the wormng way. Making cars cheaper is not the answer, making cars better is the answer.
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you guys must not have read this article very well because you obviously missed the part about them REMOVING THINGS MOST PEOPLE DONT USE

why do you want to pay extra for things you dont use

put it this way, you go to the hot dog store and you see 2 hotdogs, one with ketchup and one without it, the one with ketchup costs 50 cents more and you buy it, then you take it and scrape off all the ketchup and just eat the plain hotdog

you just wasted 50 cents on something you didnt want
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by greathuskie:


you guys must not have read this article very well because you obviously missed the part about them REMOVING THINGS MOST PEOPLE DONT USE

why do you want to pay extra for things you dont use

put it this way, you go to the hot dog store and you see 2 hotdogs, one with ketchup and one without it, the one with ketchup costs 50 cents more and you buy it, then you take it and scrape off all the ketchup and just eat the plain hotdog

you just wasted 50 cents on something you didnt want
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That's preety much everything i was gonna say.Get rid of the junk that people don't want.These are great ways to save money.Get rid of stuff people don't want and things they don't need saves them money and saves the manufacturer money in the process.The things Ford are replacing like the foam roof liner and the bolts for the windows.The way Ford wants to do it now how do you know these new methods do not help them not just money wise but qaulity wise.We have strong adhesive's out there like look at the stuff company's use to stick the pads on the shoes for brakes.The foam and the new kind bubble wrap they are going to use the bubble wrap stuff could be just as good as the foam.I see this as good for Ford they are getting rig of the junk that people don't want, which are costing them money all the time.
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Old 05-15-2002, 07:46 PM   #12
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raitchison ... for president!!!
I can't agree more.
Scary part is that N.A. Fords may be even more primitive now.
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Old 05-16-2002, 12:52 AM   #13
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by greathuskie:
you guys must not have read this article very well because you obviously missed the part about them REMOVING THINGS MOST PEOPLE DONT USE
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Things that Ford claims people don't use. Ford also claims the Explorer is a safe vehicle. Using the rear map pockets example. Both me and my kids use those things all the time. I noticed and was impressed by this feature when I was looking at the Focus. That alone would not have changed my mind but enough little things easily could have.
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why do you want to pay extra for things you dont use
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Except we will be paying the same, Ford will be theoretically paying less and making more profit per vehicle.
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put it this way, you go to the hot dog store and you see 2 hotdogs, one with ketchup and one without it, the one with ketchup costs 50 cents more and you buy it, then you take it and scrape off all the ketchup and just eat the plain hotdog

you just wasted 50 cents on something you didnt want<hr></blockquote>

It's not like that it all, more like the hot dog vendor suddenly switching from heinz ketchup to some no name brand or eliminating ketchup alltogether, stating some "market research" that "most people" don't put ketchup on their hotdog.
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Old 05-16-2002, 02:42 AM   #14
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by raitchison:
What about rear map pockets?

The decontenting is already starting in the Focus, the sun visors are covered in Vinyl instead of headliner fabric.<hr></blockquote>

yeah and so ar ethe sun visors in the corrlla, and civic. I don't like the vinyl sun visor either, but ford must stay competitive.

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IMO Ford is going about this the wrong way. Making cars cheaper is not the answer, making cars better is the answer.<hr></blockquote>

they have always made cars cheaper the margin in the auto industry are some of the lowest of all industry. when yor comptition(GM) cuts cost by 1% thye can now sell cars for a) more profit or b) reduce prices to gain market share.

lets not forget the japanese, thye have an extreme price advantage Vs the Domestics the Yen is so weak Vs the dollar that it give an average of &gt;500$ price advantage VS the Big 3.

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How Ford can save money and improve it's image:

1. Eliminate all possible differences between the European and US models, use the same bumpers, mirrors lighting, suspension, etc. Net result is less development cost and fewer items to purchase.
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true it hapenning but it takes a long time to implement. Example the Mazda6 shares componts like brakes, suspention and steering colum with the Focus. the result is a 10% reduction in cost of assembly vs the 626.
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2. Eliminate the Taurus and replace it with the Mondeo, keep the US Mondeo the same as the European (like the Focus).<hr></blockquote>

It comes back to cost again!

mondepo cost too much to replace the taurus. The maret won't tolerate a Ford priced like a VW. If it were sold here it would have to be priced like a passat to make money

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3. Kill the Windstar and build a new Ford/Mercury Minivan based on the Mazda MPV.<hr></blockquote>

too small, use the inovations in the MPV and make it big enough to compete. the next galaxy minivan will be based on the J56 plaform J56= Mazda6. sell it here as a mercury.

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4. Sell the Ranger Crew Cab in the US, kill the Explorer SportTrac.<hr></blockquote>

why? the sport trac makes more money, and the ranger is a too dated platform, due for replacement, long ago.

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5. Bring the Duratec NOW! Kill the Zetec and SPI once and for all.<hr></blockquote>

good idea butyou have to tell those workers that thier services are no longer needed. the 2.3 plant employs only a coupl of hundred people compared with the almost 1000 that assemble the Spi.

Also the Duratec is much cheaper to make than the Spi or Zetec, 1200$ per engine. it could cut cost by ~~~200-700$. now that's decontenting. the made the Duratec simpler than the ZEtec using fewer costly electronic pieces, replacing them with simpler electronics and increasing the power of the ECU to anticipate, events before they happen.


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6. Sell the Fiesta here, make it your new low end, and take the pricing pressure off the Focus.<hr></blockquote>

exactly! ford seems to thiunk the Focus can compete in both the low end and th high end of the small car market. it can't.

The fiesta was designed with a response to a CAFE increase in mind, so it is cheaper to build than the focus and NA spec freindly.

ford built a beautiful new highly automated plant in brazil to build the Fiesta.

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My ideas for decontenting are put the CVT on every car that will accept it.
escape, taurus, focus, Fiesta, ...

It will save alot of money over the expensive auto in present fords. like ( a guess) 200-700$.

the ultimate in decontenting, replace a box with 900 parts with one that has only 200.
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oh yeah Ford is in business to make money not cars.

never forget that.
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by raitchison:
What about rear map pockets?

The decontenting is already starting in the Focus, the sun visors are covered in Vinyl instead of headliner fabric.

IMO Ford is going about this the wormng way. Making cars cheaper is not the answer, making cars better is the answer.

How Ford can save money and improve it's image:

1. Eliminate all possible differences between the European and US models, use the same bumpers, mirrors lighting, suspension, etc. Net result is less development cost and fewer items to purchase.

2. Eliminate the Taurus and replace it with the Mondeo, keep the US Mondeo the same as the European (like the Focus).

3. Kill the Windstar and build a new Ford/Mercury Minivan based on the Mazda MPV.

4. Sell the Ranger Crew Cab in the US, kill the Explorer SportTrac.

5. Bring the Duratec NOW! Kill the Zetec and SPI once and for all.

6. Sell the Fiesta here, make it your new low end, and take the pricing pressure off the Focus.
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What in the hell are you talking about?! Kill the Windstar?! No way! The replacement is almost here. It has a third seat that drops into the floor. It is a LOT bigger than the MPV.

You have to also understand that only a small percentage of Focus buyers want something really sport and European feeling. I bet most Americans didn't even know the car has European heritage! The Explorer Sport Trac is a huge money maker. WHY THE HELL KILL A MONEY MAKER WHEN YOU ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY?! DO you work for a nonprofit company or something?! We don't need the Fiesta here...it's too small for our markets with our fuel prices.

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The key here is content. I think a better way to put it is to say that Ford is looking to get rid of stuff that isn't a deal-breaker.

Some features are absolute necessities for people. I.E. they absolutely WILL NOT buy a car that doesn't have them. Automatic transmission and A/C are two examples that come straight to mind. Power windows and locks are another.

On the other hand, things like map pockets, lighted glove boxes, "Oh $#!+" handles and variable intermittent wipers aren't so important to most people. They might notice that the car doesn't have them. They might even take off a couple of points against the car in their heads. But in the end, these features generally aren't important enough to most people that they'll base their car-purchase decision on them. And if people still buy the car despite these minor ommisions, then that serves as incentive for Ford to continue to omit them.

For example, my ZX3 didn't have variable intermittent wipers when I bought it. It also doesn't have a second power outlet anywhere in the vehicle. But guess what, I still bought it. So I wonder who the sucker is now? Hmm...
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Just a couple quick comments:
I don't really understand the intermittent wiper thing. The part cost is the same if you buy a replacement [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]
The problem with interchanging Euro and American parts is that Euro vehicles won't pass US crash. Going the other direction: Any of the people on the 'jet from europe will tell you how ugly our cars are to them because of the big bumpers.
New Windstar will be out soon.
Mondeo and Taurus are different size-class cars. Wait for the Ford 500. I am not sure if it will replace the Taurus, but I think we all hope so.

Lastly, Ford is in a slump right now. We have a lot of aging vehicles and very little new to offer. The company will see faster return on cost-cutting than on wholesale quality improvement, though I agree that quality improvement is the right thing to do. Starting next year we will see several new vehicles a year that should help Ford improve their marketshare and customer perception of quality.

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intermitent wiper don't cost that much more than than non variable intermitent versions.

On the Focus the CTM (central timing module) determines the rate at which the wiper wipes.
the real costs of the system is the switch. that isn't that expensive.

the CTM controls everything from the Cursie control to the Auto diming lights. the clock, the radio timer, and alot of other features that you wouldn't kno about. the use of the CTM IS an example of decontenting.
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by JonBoy470:
On the other hand...variable intermittent wipers aren't so important to most people. They might notice that the car doesn't have them...my ZX3 didn't have variable intermittent wipers when I bought it.<hr></blockquote>

You obviously don't live in the Pacific Northwest. Intermittent wipers are more useful than A/C out here. Ford has to think about their customers across the country and around the world when they decide what features get axed.

I guess the chance of adding features is nil now. I was hoping for more foldaway outside mirrors. For cars that are parked in the garage, foldaway mirrors can prevent you from getting injured in uncomfortable places when you bump into it.
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heh. i love to see that ford is having more and more problems...maybe they will do something right for once. but if they keep building pos's like they r. sucks for them.
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Ford needs to be very careful about how/if/when they decontent. Unfortunately, the decontenting of the Focus is already happening. I was at the NY auto show this spring, and I noticed that the 2002 ZX3s had the vynil sunshades and no alloy-look trim on the doors. What next, a standard SPI and no tach? A Focus "Pony"? They should spend more time figuring out how to build a car that doesn't get recalled 7 times (like my wife's '00 ZX3) and less time taking features out of their cars.
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First off,

estell, I don't live in the Pacific Northwest. I live in New Hampshire. I feel your pain. For myself I rectified Ford's design error by installing a variable intermittent switch from a SE wagon in my ZX3.

As for the replacement cost for both switches being the same, I can assure you that the retail price of the part has little bearing on its actual production cost, which is what Ford cares about when building cars. While it's true the central timing module controls the wipers, the delay is determined by a resistor built into the wiper switch. Fixed intermittent wipers, as found in the LX and ZX3, use a single fixed resistor to set the delay (resulting in a single intermittent setting). The variable switch substitutes a potentiometer (variable resistor) for the single fixed resistor. Now you have variable delay. Cost? Well, to give you an idea, you can go to Radio Shack and buy a 100 pack of fixed resistors for the cost of one potentiometer.
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