back from the alignment rack - Focaljet

**BadIdea** · 05-15-2006, 11:37 AM

I have the race plates the h&r pcs. These are the small diameter springs, not the big ones like the regular h&r coil overs. Pretty sure they are set to a 2" drop, or very similar to the h&r race spring drop that I've seen on other cars.

I adjusted to max negative on both sides, and ended up with -3.3 left, and -3.0 right with me in the car.

I also daily drive my car and I don't notice any increased harshness or noise with the race plates.

Thank you Leo!

**68 Touring Car** · 05-15-2006, 01:25 PM

I glad they are what you needed.

**OmniFocus** · 05-15-2006, 02:20 PM

That's a serious bonus. I'm only at -2.8 and -2.6 with the cheesy SPCs WITH crash bolts at -2".

I think LCR is going to get another order soon.

I wonder how the ride height compares to the SPC product. ?

**jinstall** · 05-16-2006, 02:03 AM

With luck maybe I will get mine back today from H&R and I can get them installed tonight. I have my first race Sat and the car is still in the garage in pieces.

**pitchblack23** · 05-17-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OmniFocus

I wonder how the ride height compares to the SPC product. ?

Give me a few days to get over my inherent laziness and I'll let you know. I know that the LCRacing plates are supposed to be the same height as stock...

**OmniFocus** · 05-23-2006, 02:12 PM

Are you over your laziness yet?

I'm poly-izing my front control arms, and feel like burning up a few dollars for a better part while I'm at it. I'm tired of these SPC plates.

EDIT: I'm think I'm just going to go for it.

**68 Touring Car** · 05-23-2006, 10:45 PM

Hey guys there is no change in ride height.

**OmniFocus** · 05-24-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 68 Touring Car

Hey guys there is no change in ride height.

Which is awesome... but it leaves me wondering if the SPC plates had a change in height.

Either way, I've decided to buy the LCR plates.

**pitchblack23** · 05-29-2006, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OmniFocus

Are you over your laziness yet?

I, uh... crap.

I actually started to change them on Thursday the 25th, but then I realized I wouldn't be able to get them aligned before the autocross today (Monday), so I didn't.

**BadIdea** · 05-29-2006, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pitchblack23

I, uh... crap.

I actually started to change them on Thursday the 25th, but then I realized I wouldn't be able to get them aligned before the autocross today (Monday), so I didn't.

Just center the top nut - no alignment needed.

**sleeperlove** · 05-29-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BadIdea

Just center the top nut - no alignment needed.

center it on what?

is that just the natural camber of the springs then?

**BadIdea** · 05-29-2006, 06:43 PM

Yeah, just center the top nut in the hole. It would be the same as the stock top plate setup.

**sleeperlove** · 05-30-2006, 12:14 AM

so if you are already aligned for your springs and such to get your toe correct you can guesstimate the camber with these so its even and you don't need to get an alignment after installing is that cprrect?

**OmniFocus** · 05-30-2006, 02:12 AM

Pretty much... if they are for a fact the same ride height as stock, and you can get the top of the strut in the same place. Even a small difference (1/8" or so) won't really cause a major change in toe.

...at least enough to get you by for a short while.

**BadIdea** · 05-30-2006, 09:09 AM

I would get an alignment. My toe was 1" in when I set to max negative. Changing the camber with these plates seems to have a much greater effect on toe than changing ride height.

**68 Touring Car** · 05-30-2006, 09:23 AM

When you add the neg camber with out increasing the tie rod length to off set the inward movement of the top of the strut you will get the toe in that you see.

**Croc_Tease!** · 06-09-2006, 10:34 PM

Just got mine aligned today.

With the front max drop on the Bilsteins (maybe 1.75"?) I have a max camber of -2°36' on each side with 0° toe.

Question though, my caster is 2°48' left and 3°06' right, is that a bad thing that they are off like that?

**andybones** · 06-14-2006, 04:47 PM

no thats how its supposed to be the extra camber on the driver side is for road crown so your car will still go straight even on a embanked road

**Z63R** · 06-10-2007, 01:05 PM

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Croc_Tease!

Question though, my caster is 2°48' left and 3°06' right, is that a bad thing that they are off like that?

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andybones

no thats how its supposed to be the extra camber on the driver side is for road crown so your car will still go straight even on a embanked road

Say again?

We're talking about caster, not camber, and he has less on the driver's side whereas the old rule of thumb for grandma was slightly more caster on the driver's side to compensate for road crown, not banking... road crown and banking are two different things...

While more driver's side caster may reduce a vehicle's tendency to steer away (down) from the "crown" of the road, it would prolly create "pull" under straight line braking on a flat road.

I wouldn't know as I've always requested no difference in caster between sides, nor camber between sides; I like my stuff square and I'll deal with "crown" on my own. The focus as a mass-produced uniltbody with modular subframes is not always perfectly "square" and since the only factory provision for alignment adjustments are for toe, we live with what we can until quality bits like the LCR camber plates are installed.

As for an answer to Croc!'s Q, it's not necessarily a "bad thing" if the car feels stable to you. It's not an emergency, but you may want to have a qualified shop have a look and determine where the inequity stems from and attempt to lessen or eliminate the difference entirely (if nothing's bent, then a somewhat hack method to correct this would be to slightly slot the strut tower's struttop mounting bolt holes...)

05-15-2006, 11:37 AM	#1
BadIdea Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cleveland Posts: 2,277	back from the alignment rack I have the race plates the h&r pcs. These are the small diameter springs, not the big ones like the regular h&r coil overs. Pretty sure they are set to a 2" drop, or very similar to the h&r race spring drop that I've seen on other cars. I adjusted to max negative on both sides, and ended up with -3.3 left, and -3.0 right with me in the car. I also daily drive my car and I don't notice any increased harshness or noise with the race plates. Thank you Leo! __________________ '02 silver svt '08 tundra crewmax

05-15-2006, 01:25 PM	#2
68 Touring Car Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Motor City Posts: 1,182	Re: back from the alignment rack I glad they are what you needed. __________________ Leo NASA Spec Focus Series Director www.capaldiracing.com "Quitters Never Win"

05-15-2006, 02:20 PM	#3
OmniFocus Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mowin' down the cones. (CA) Posts: 26,237	Re: back from the alignment rack That's a serious bonus. I'm only at -2.8 and -2.6 with the cheesy SPCs WITH crash bolts at -2". I think LCR is going to get another order soon. I wonder how the ride height compares to the SPC product. ? __________________ Check out the shiny new PirateNinjasWithLasers.com for the latest updates in 24 Hours of LeMons goodness. Vacuum Vulture Racing: We put the "rad" in scrub radius, and the "ack" in ackerman.

05-16-2006, 02:03 AM	#4
jinstall [FJ] Addict Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Manassas/Ft Belvoir VA Posts: 12,983	Re: back from the alignment rack With luck maybe I will get mine back today from H&R and I can get them installed tonight. I have my first race Sat and the car is still in the garage in pieces.

05-23-2006, 02:12 PM	#6
OmniFocus Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mowin' down the cones. (CA) Posts: 26,237	Re: back from the alignment rack Are you over your laziness yet? I'm poly-izing my front control arms, and feel like burning up a few dollars for a better part while I'm at it. I'm tired of these SPC plates. EDIT: I'm think I'm just going to go for it. __________________ Check out the shiny new PirateNinjasWithLasers.com for the latest updates in 24 Hours of LeMons goodness. Vacuum Vulture Racing: We put the "rad" in scrub radius, and the "ack" in ackerman.

05-23-2006, 10:45 PM	#7
68 Touring Car Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Motor City Posts: 1,182	Re: back from the alignment rack Hey guys there is no change in ride height. __________________ Leo NASA Spec Focus Series Director www.capaldiracing.com "Quitters Never Win"

05-29-2006, 06:43 PM	#12
BadIdea Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cleveland Posts: 2,277	Re: back from the alignment rack Yeah, just center the top nut in the hole. It would be the same as the stock top plate setup. __________________ '02 silver svt '08 tundra crewmax

05-30-2006, 12:14 AM	#13
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the dirt Posts: 8,510	Re: back from the alignment rack so if you are already aligned for your springs and such to get your toe correct you can guesstimate the camber with these so its even and you don't need to get an alignment after installing is that cprrect? __________________ I'm in ur posts changin ur werdz.

05-30-2006, 02:12 AM	#14
OmniFocus Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mowin' down the cones. (CA) Posts: 26,237	Re: back from the alignment rack Pretty much... if they are for a fact the same ride height as stock, and you can get the top of the strut in the same place. Even a small difference (1/8" or so) won't really cause a major change in toe. ...at least enough to get you by for a short while. __________________ Check out the shiny new PirateNinjasWithLasers.com for the latest updates in 24 Hours of LeMons goodness. Vacuum Vulture Racing: We put the "rad" in scrub radius, and the "ack" in ackerman.

05-30-2006, 09:09 AM	#15
BadIdea Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cleveland Posts: 2,277	Re: back from the alignment rack I would get an alignment. My toe was 1" in when I set to max negative. Changing the camber with these plates seems to have a much greater effect on toe than changing ride height. __________________ '02 silver svt '08 tundra crewmax

05-30-2006, 09:23 AM	#16
68 Touring Car Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Motor City Posts: 1,182	Re: back from the alignment rack When you add the neg camber with out increasing the tie rod length to off set the inward movement of the top of the strut you will get the toe in that you see. __________________ Leo NASA Spec Focus Series Director www.capaldiracing.com "Quitters Never Win"

06-09-2006, 10:34 PM	#17
Croc_Tease! Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 3,680	Re: back from the alignment rack Just got mine aligned today. With the front max drop on the Bilsteins (maybe 1.75"?) I have a max camber of -2°36' on each side with 0° toe. Question though, my caster is 2°48' left and 3°06' right, is that a bad thing that they are off like that? __________________ EVIL ZX3 Buy my Bilstien PSS9. Buy my Receiver.

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