massive zetec turbo kit?

[Terrible1]

Wow! All I can say is WOW!
This seems to happen in every industry where improper use can lead to failure, and the customer ALWAYS defends him or herself to the death of who's fault it is. I use to work in the bicycle industry and we would get parents coming in with the $5000 mountain bike they bought for their snot nose little brat child, that for some strange reason has a broken crank, bent forks and handle bars, wheels are folded over and the several welds are broken. Well now of course they bring the child in and he or she swears up and down that they weren't abusive or jumping the hell out of the thing, and the ignorant parents back them up. It's obvious to everyone who knows their ass from a hole in the ground that it's been abused but to the blind eye of a parent who has a spoiled fetus getting whatever they lay their greedy little eyes on, it is bad service/product...period! I have an old saying my friend from Texas taught me... "98% of the worlds population is stupid....the other 2% is EXTREMELY stupid"....
You my friend easily fall into the 2%

Now on to the topic at hand. My father owns a business. Just so happens it's an engine machine shop. Everything from basic rebuilds, grinding flywheels, all the way to FULL OUT race engines, Hemi's.... you name it! We've built a big block pontiac motor for a tube frame drag car that runs low 7's NA. Ever heard of the monster truck "arachnophobia"??? We just so happen to build the motors for the owner. We've even been the machine shop of choice to host a major engine builders magazine article involving building a street/strip Hemi.
The reason I've mentioned all of this is because I showed this post to my father and his jaw hit the floor! He and myself could not find any fault on Massive... PERIOD! The lack of a dipstick even.... I can explain that. I've seen several ignorant honda owners that have the boost turned up way to high with the half ass tune running it. A gasket, seal, ring...you name it was either broken, blown or destroyed. Several instances involved boost getting past a set of toasted rings and pressurizing the crank case, which in turn shot their oil dipstick right out the tube. It's happened at least a half dozen times. It was an inexperienced child that was given something that he is obviously not responsible enough for. Plain and simple.

I applaud you on your determination, but Massive has bent over backwards for you several times and the end result was improper use and break in. Your son even admitted to it!!!!! And on the time frame you keep coming back to... this isn't a simple process! We'll have some engines in our shop for months trying to iron out the wrinkles and get everything top notch. Thats the nature of the beast! Building a car like this can't be rushed and get positive results. I like the reference of trying to "fast food" the build
I personally have never purchased anything from Massive... I've simply never had the chance. But I will tell you I give huge kudos to them for dealing with such a PITA customer for so long and they did everything they could for you short of giving you the keys to the business.
So looks like your posts backfired in a way, because now I'm excited to do business with Massive. If they give me half the service they gave you, I'll be a satisfied customer for years to come
Sounds to me like someones kid simply needs a spanking

[EuroAyres]

Either a spanking or a kia rio.

[Terrible1]

thats worse then a spanking!

[focituner2]

Originally Posted by EuroAyres

Either a spanking or a kia rio.

hahhaahahahaha!!! owned!

[PwRmAd]

Could we pleeease get back on the turbo topic, im dying for this thing to come out

[Chiwestburb]

Terrible, you kill me.

!. You have never have purchased from Massive

2. You are unfamiliar with any of facts, you haven't seen the car or the pictures or talked to either of the builders.

Yet you have formed a clear and absoulute opinion. It is inspiring to see that you are compelled to a new level of commentary. Kudo's to you and your insight.

I especially love your creative ideation on the blown dipstick. The car was making NO boost when it was picked up in September. It was leaking coolant and oil from several locations like a sive. The fact is that is after the second rebuild and before it was driven.

That's how the car was delivered after the second rebuild, four days after being picked up, being told not to return it, to the new engine builder. I know, it was not ready but we gave up in frustration after five months and the car was still a mess.

That's why the time line is so important Steve.

In the end, only Karl, Steve and I know the facts. As stated we hired Massive a year ago to put this kit in and some are still waiting for the bugs to be worked out of it. We were the test, do you think! All I am suggesting is do not have them build it!

As I have stated before each of you have to choose!

Terrible you crack me up, PITA what a scream, this is really good stuff!!!!

[Terrible1]

I love this stuff!!!!

We ever gonna get back on track here, or do we have to keep listening to this guy

You and Massive go your own ways, live and learn on both of your parts. Game over... go home

[pzev04boy]

Originally Posted by Chiwestburb

Terrible, you kill me.

!. You have never have purchased from Massive

2. You are unfamiliar with any of facts, you haven't seen the car or the pictures or talked to either of the builders.

Yet you have formed a clear and absoulute opinion. It is inspiring to see that you are compelled to a new level of commentary. Kudo's to you and your insight.

I especially love your creative ideation on the blown dipstick. The car was making NO boost when it was picked up in September. It was leaking coolant and oil from several locations like a sive. The fact is that is after the second rebuild and before it was driven.

That's how the car was delivered after the second rebuild, four days after being picked up, being told not to return it, to the new engine builder. I know, it was not ready but we gave up in frustration after five months and the car was still a mess.

That's why the time line is so important Steve.

In the end, only Karl, Steve and I know the facts. As stated we hired Massive a year ago to put this kit in and some are still waiting for the bugs to be worked out of it. We were the test, do you think! All I am suggesting is do not have them build it!

As I have stated before each of you have to choose!

Terrible you crack me up, PITA what a scream, this is really good stuff!!!!

Dave, get your timeline straight. The leaks occured somewhere between when you guys got the keys for the "Break in miles" and when it came back to us. You even said "it's Leaking something" when you dropped it off. I would not have released it for the break in miles if it had a coolant leak.

Do you want to see the melted head gasket and MELTED cylinder head???? I think we emailed you pics, but If not, I think we saved the head.

And yes, the car would make boost when it was picked up, and when it left for good. The wastegate had a 9 psi base spring in it. I'm sure Erik found out how to turn the boost up as well.

I'm also sure that he beat on the car (still untuned) when it left our shop for the last time. This probably led to further damage.

Now to deal with this statement

"As stated we hired Massive a year ago to put this kit in and some are still waiting for the bugs to be worked out of it. We were the test, do you think!"

Are you trying to imply that we used your car as a test platform for our turbo kit? Absolutely wrong Dave. We had the kit in pretty much similar trim on 4 or 5 other cars before you even came to us. There is nothing wrong, or inferior with our turbo kit. There are no bugs to be worked out of the kit.

You can list anything you wish to point out wrong with the kit if you would like.

Dave, we have done other cars before. Many other cars. I will say to date this was by far the biggest dissapointment. First with the junk probe pistons, and second with Erik Destroying built engine #2.

Do you know that when I got all the parts back from the machine shop on the second build, I stayed till past midnight 3 nights in a row to get the engine assembled and in the car quick??? Just so you could get it back because you "needed it" I also came in on a sunday to do the head swap when it had the coolant issue.

You have know Idea what goes into something like this, and how little abuse prior to tuning it takes to destroy it. And then to attempt to slander our reputation???

Don't pretend to have any automotive knowledge, because we all know you don't. It's ok though, it's not everyones thing.


BOLD Letters are FUN

[focusonwheels]

massive get the kit done and ill let you know how god my car runs.. just get it done soon please.

[SF_ZX3R]

shi i would be glad to be a test monkey and let them replace a complete engine and head in my car for free... and 6600 for a full build is really cheap imo hell i priced out a full build for my ecotec sunfire and it came to well over 10k so yeah buddy find this guys fathers number i think him and his kid both need a spanking =o)

oh and as far as the focus turbo goes hope things are following smoothly...

[Chiwestburb]

Thanks Steve for the education, but based on seeing and talking to you, I would hate to trade my education and company for a career/job like yours!

Its a small world Steve, you should choose your words, comments and threats with care. Attorneys are expensive, litigation is very time consuming, going through discovery can be a real pain and McHenry County civil dockets are full and talk about being bleed red, WOW. Maybe you can get someone to represent you pro-bono....

I trust our paths will cross again someday!

[pzev04boy]

Originally Posted by Chiwestburb

Thanks Steve for the education, but based on seeing and talking to you, I would hate to trade my education and company for a career/job like yours!

Its a small world Steve, you should choose your words, comments and threats with care. Attorneys are expensive, litigation is very time consuming, going through discovery can be a real pain and McHenry County civil dockets are full and talk about being bleed red, WOW. Maybe you can get someone to represent you pro-bono....

I trust our paths will cross again someday!

Personal attacks will get you nowhere.

Threats??? I'm sorry, what threats.

I actually like and enjoy my job very much. Well, most of it. I am sure you can figure out what I meant by that. Trying to insult me is not going to do anything for you.

Threats will not get you any further either.

You bringing this public is not a problem to me. Maybe we should invoice you for all the additional parts and labor that you truely should have paid for.

Sorry if you are pissed off about all this, but you only have to be mad with your son.

Your kid just messed the car up again and you are pissed off about it. Now you are looking to take it out somewhere. I don't blame you, it was a crappy situation. We were willing to resolve these things.

Us being such nice guys, probably would have pulled the short block, had the deck resurfaced to fix the damage the right way, put it all back together, tuned the car and delivered it complete. But you "Had to have the car". It's rough, and you might not want to believe it, but all we wanted was a happy customer in the end. We were willing to do what it took, but It didn't work because you were quick to take the car so He could drive it.

[benfxtx]

Originally Posted by Chiwestburb

Thanks Steve for the education, but based on seeing and talking to you, I would hate to trade my education and company for a career/job like yours!

Its a small world Steve, you should choose your words, comments and threats with care. Attorneys are expensive, litigation is very time consuming, going through discovery can be a real pain and McHenry County civil dockets are full and talk about being bleed red, WOW. Maybe you can get someone to represent you pro-bono....

I trust our paths will cross again someday!

I guess the saying's true, you become what you suck...


Why don't you piss off and leave the people of this forum, and Massive, alone. You antagonize and expect that people won't respond to you?

It's blatantly obvious that your son (or you) didn't listen when they explained how to break the engine in properly. I just recently had the guys of Massive build a bottom end for my focus and I broke it in exactly how they told me to with nothing less then perfect results (this on 18lbs of boost). It's funny how people who have no car knowledge fail to see the importance of listening to the directions of the people who do it everyday. Had you heeded their explanation for break in, you wouldn't be in the situation you're currently in. On top of all that, they tried to help you out on multiple occasions and you and your son chose to mess it up (yet again) by taking the car before it was ready to be driven. They needed more time to diagnose the issue (that your son caused) and you didn't give that to them.

Here's a thought, try making your son pay for the mess he cause and see if he doesn't change the way he treats things. He might actually find that the items he pays for suddenly have more meaning to him. If he still beats the crap out of it, then he's out the money he spent, not you.

Bottom line, no one wants you, or your son around here if all you're going to do is cause problems and talk ****. So why don't you do us all a favor and be on your merry way.

Cheers

[Terrible1]

I'll 2nd that ^^^

[Chiwestburb]

OK - Agreed!

[ne1469er]

Apologies for this thread derail, but this one is just too much fun not to respond to!

Having stumbled upon this thread, knowing the basics (and some more) about forced induction, and being a neutral party to this, the party at fault is clear.

I'm no psychologist, but I've come across too many situations (real life and internet) where people cannot admit fault - they've either have pride issues, are just plain deluded or a combination of both.

I find it funny that there were so many gaskets, seals, melting parts, etc. that failed at the same time. The failures were blamed on things that could not be independently verified, but at the same time are blamed on combinations of factors so improbable as to be laughable. For example, the head melted and the seals failed... because the head studs were not torqued down correctly.
deep breath.... HHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! LOL

Come on, at least do a better job of pretending that you know something here, your arguments are not obfuscated enough to be challenging!!

I'm going to have some fun at others' expense here... go ahead and threaten to sue. Please. We've all seen the standard "argument" of these types:

Them: <XYZ> is broked, not my fault
Forum: Evidence that it is your fault
Them: <XYZ> is broked, so sure it's not my fault
Forum: Hmm... can you respond to the evidence?
Them: (ignores posts with anything concrete) What evidence? I already have my evidence?
Forum: Um, see previous 'threads'?
Them: See previous 'threats'?!?!! ARE YOU THREATENING ME??? AH SUE YOU!!!! I AM SUPAR IMPORTANTE!! I MAKE MUCHO $$ AND INSULT J00! TALK TO MY LAWYAH!!"
The End.

Now back to the originally scheduled broadcast

edit: grammar

[focituner2]

didnt this guy say he made his LAST comments in post 63?
but enough of dragging this on, even though it was quite entertaining and got a good laugh or two, lets get back to massive's turbo kit
court dismissed!

[illinipo]

Can we get an outline of which turbo's are available please? Or is it "still too soon"?


Last I heard, the downpipe issue was sorted out... whats the holdup now? Not saying you should fast food the kit onto the market, im just excited


PS I may be stopping by next month for my box o' stuffs if its still around... If not I might just have you ship it lol its been long enough I think

[orangeZXT]

I think u guys went out of your way to try and help/fix the problems. Sounds like some great costumer service from Steve and Karl. you guy did alot more than most places would have

[Stolle]

im pretty sure by bringing this to the public ur making ur self look HORRIBLE there.....Dave......hey.....dave........im like what. 19 and I CAN EVEN UNDERSTAND exactly the chain reaction that went on in that engine and ive been tuning my car what...1.5 years now. yep.

rich business guys FTL

Massive FTW!!!!!!!!!

oh and Steve. BOLD letters are FUN!

and i can safely say i would give up my current job in a heartbeat to work at massive! even if i was some big honcho of some business

oh and i hope u can take pride in knowing that u just made me feel soooo bad for steve and karl for what youve done to them! i used to live somewhat close to them and i know what great guys they are.
and i can prolly speak for the rest of the forums in saying this that uve also just made us back massive about 20x more and fill ANY gap in our thoughts about the quality of massive's work.

Cheers Dave!

[Chiwestburb]

LOL

[jerkeesvt]

I'd like to see the finished product and numbers on this kit. That's what this thread was started for.......am I right?

Anyway......There are 2 sides to EVERY story, and I will definitely give Massive a chance/my business in the future, based on their thoroughness and willingness to help their customers.