2008 NASA Rules - Head and Neck Restraint req'd - Focaljet

**Matt Marks** · 12-14-2007, 09:00 PM

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf

H&N restraint with SFI 38.1 cert required as of June 2, 2008

Specification 38.1 - Head and Neck Restraint Systems

HANS Performance Products - HANS Device (All Series)
Leatt Brace Moto-R Sport Device
Leatt Brace Moto-R Pro Device
LFT Technologies R3 Device
Safety Solutions Hutch-II Device
Safety Solutions Hutchens Hybrid Device
Safety Solutions Hybrid X Device

Not looking to start a debate on which ones better or why some devices aren't included - just being the messenger.

As an FYI (no affiliations, etc) - HANS apparently has a new model that just came out in the last week or so that is around $700 vs. the $900 regular models. Main difference is that the new model is a pound or so heavier and carries an SFI, but not FIA certification. So, to save $200, you're giving up your opportunity to use it in an F1 car.

**recar** · 12-14-2007, 11:45 PM

Good for the neck, but bad for the wallet.

**Matt Marks** · 12-15-2007, 09:06 AM

BTW - anyone save this yet? The document on the NASA site is corrupted.

**SVTBuckeye** · 12-15-2007, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Marks

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf

H&N restraint with SFI 38.1 cert required as of June 2, 2008

Specification 38.1 - Head and Neck Restraint Systems

Hubbard-Downing HANS Device
Leatt Brace Moto-R Sport Device
LFT Technologies R3 Device
Safety Solutions Hutch-II Device
Safety Solutions Hutchens Hybrid Device
Safety Solutions Hybrid X Device

Not looking to start a debate on which ones better or why some devices aren't included - just being the messenger.

As an FYI (no affiliations, etc) - HANS apparently has a new model that just came out in the last week or so that is around $700 vs. the $900 regular models. Main difference is that the new model is a pound or so heavier and carries an SFI, but not FIA certification. So, to save $200, you're giving up your opportunity to use it in an F1 car.

Now I'm just really upset! I was planning on using mine when McLaren uses me for a test driver in Canada this year!

**Knestis** · 12-16-2007, 07:11 PM

The link in the original post seems to go to a previous version of the CCR. Could someone point me at the new one?

Thanks

Kirk

**Matt Marks** · 12-17-2007, 07:15 AM

The original link was to version 2008.4 - it got switched at NASA over the weekend to the 2007 version that was up on Sunday. Keep checking the link for the next day or so. I will also repost if I see it back to the 2008 version.

**Matt Marks** · 12-17-2007, 07:19 AM

Ooop - should have checked before I posted ^^^^

The 2008 version (2008.4) is back up on the original link.

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf

**68 Touring Car** · 12-17-2007, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Marks

Ooop - should have checked before I posted ^^^^

The 2008 version (2008.4) is back up on the original link.

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf

You keep making them Blonde mistakes like that you will not be getting your Secretary's day gift from the SF Board!!

**Matt Marks** · 12-17-2007, 06:20 PM

Tried an R3 and a HANS today. I like the R3 design (though felt like I was putting on a manssiere), but it felt like I was sitting with a 2x4 between the seatback and myself. Liked the HANS better and am going with the Model 30. HANS is also selling a kit that will allow for more side to side head movement while in the car - the tethers will slide but not change length. Will be adding those to the stocking as well.

**68 Touring Car** · 12-17-2007, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Marks

Will be adding those to the stocking as well.

Your black fish net ?????

**BUR_ZX3** · 12-17-2007, 06:55 PM

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

**Ted7rns** · 12-17-2007, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Marks

Tried an R3 and a HANS today. I like the R3 design (though felt like I was putting on a manssiere), but it felt like I was sitting with a 2x4 between the seatback and myself. Liked the HANS better and am going with the Model 30. HANS is also selling a kit that will allow for more side to side head movement while in the car - the tethers will slide but not change length. Will be adding those to the stocking as well.

I was wondering that with the R3. Drag racers use them a lot.... but they are not in the car very long

I'll have to get the HANS

**Matt Marks** · 12-18-2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUR_ZX3

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Leo likes the crotchless ones

**Matt Marks** · 12-18-2007, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted7rns

I was wondering that with the R3. Drag racers use them a lot.... but they are not in the car very long

I'll have to get the HANS

R3 sells a pad about 3/4" thick that can attach to the seat with a cut-out for the back of the H&N. From the look of it, it's designed for aluminum seats like Butler/Kirkey. If you have Sparco or Recaro or similar seats covered in Nomex, it didn't look like it would work either over or underneath.

Also - it's an extra $100 on top of the extra $100 for the R3

BTW - one of the NASA national championship sponsors is offering 10% off HANS, but I'm not sure if I can mention them under the Focaljet Terms of Service - Guidance needed.

**Ted7rns** · 05-27-2008, 12:05 PM

The Mandatory date has been change from June 2, 2008 to July 2, 2008

Use of a head and neck restraint system or device, carrying an SFI 38.1 certification, is mandatory for all drivers as of July 2, 2008. References and information can be found in “Appendix D,” section #29.0 of the CCR

**brads03zx3** · 05-27-2008, 01:08 PM

Why has the date been changed?

**Ted7rns** · 05-27-2008, 01:44 PM

I don't know... this isn't the first time it's been change. I wouldn't be surprise if it changes again.

**SVTBuckeye** · 05-27-2008, 06:03 PM

e-mail I received today from Mid Atlantic region quoted that there was a backlog in some of the devices, thus a delay.

**Ted7rns** · 05-29-2008, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVTBuckeye

e-mail I received today from Mid Atlantic region quoted that there was a backlog in some of the devices, thus a delay.

That make since. I tried to order one and it was on Back Order.

**Ted7rns** · 05-29-2008, 12:23 PM

Updated List
HANS Performance Products - HANS Device (All Series)
Leatt Brace Moto-R Sport Device
Leatt Brace Moto-R Pro Device
LFT Technologies R3 Device
Safety Solutions Hutch-II Device
Safety Solutions Hutchens Hybrid Device
Safety Solutions Hybrid X Device

12-14-2007, 09:00 PM	#1
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 227	2008 NASA Rules - Head and Neck Restraint req'd http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf H&N restraint with SFI 38.1 cert required as of June 2, 2008 Specification 38.1 - Head and Neck Restraint Systems HANS Performance Products - HANS Device (All Series) Leatt Brace Moto-R Sport Device Leatt Brace Moto-R Pro Device LFT Technologies R3 Device Safety Solutions Hutch-II Device Safety Solutions Hutchens Hybrid Device Safety Solutions Hybrid X Device Not looking to start a debate on which ones better or why some devices aren't included - just being the messenger. As an FYI (no affiliations, etc) - HANS apparently has a new model that just came out in the last week or so that is around $700 vs. the $900 regular models. Main difference is that the new model is a pound or so heavier and carries an SFI, but not FIA certification. So, to save $200, you're giving up your opportunity to use it in an F1 car. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion Last edited by Ted7rns : 05-29-2008 at 12:24 PM.

12-15-2007, 09:06 AM	#3
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 227	Re: 2008 NASA Rules are out - Head and Neck Restraint req'd BTW - anyone save this yet? The document on the NASA site is corrupted. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

12-16-2007, 07:11 PM	#5
Knestis Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 53	Re: 2008 NASA Rules are out - Head and Neck Restraint req'd The link in the original post seems to go to a previous version of the CCR. Could someone point me at the new one? Thanks Kirk __________________ PhilsTireService.com Team GTI - ITB class winner - 2004 VIR 13 Hours, 2005 Summit Point 12 Hours - with KONI struts, OE and racing VW parts from Bildon Motorsport, and TOYO and HOOSIER tires from PhilsTireService.com

12-17-2007, 07:15 AM	#6
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 227	Re: 2008 NASA Rules are out - Head and Neck Restraint req'd The original link was to version 2008.4 - it got switched at NASA over the weekend to the 2007 version that was up on Sunday. Keep checking the link for the next day or so. I will also repost if I see it back to the 2008 version. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

12-17-2007, 07:19 AM	#7
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 227	Re: 2008 NASA Rules are out - Head and Neck Restraint req'd Ooop - should have checked before I posted ^^^^ The 2008 version (2008.4) is back up on the original link. http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

12-14-2007, 11:45 PM	#2
recar Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,298	Re: 2008 NASA Rules are out - Head and Neck Restraint req'd Good for the neck, but bad for the wallet.

12-17-2007, 06:20 PM	#9
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 227	Re: 2008 NASA Rules are out - Head and Neck Restraint req'd Tried an R3 and a HANS today. I like the R3 design (though felt like I was putting on a manssiere), but it felt like I was sitting with a 2x4 between the seatback and myself. Liked the HANS better and am going with the Model 30. HANS is also selling a kit that will allow for more side to side head movement while in the car - the tethers will slide but not change length. Will be adding those to the stocking as well. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

12-17-2007, 06:55 PM	#11
BUR_ZX3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: On the Set of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation Posts: 35,074	Re: 2008 NASA Rules are out - Head and Neck Restraint req'd Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww. __________________ FocusSport Presents Focus On The Beach 2008. FocusSport / Exedy / Xios / H&R / 3dCarbon / NASA / Massive Speed System / Microsoft Auto and MORE! Saturday, August 9, Santa Barbara http://www.focusonthebeach.com

05-27-2008, 12:05 PM	#15
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Palmdale, California Posts: 3,999	Re: 2008 NASA Rules are out - Head and Neck Restraint req'd The Mandatory date has been change from June 2, 2008 to July 2, 2008 Use of a head and neck restraint system or device, carrying an SFI 38.1 certification, is mandatory for all drivers as of July 2, 2008. References and information can be found in “Appendix D,” section #29.0 of the CCR __________________ NASA Spec Focus Series Director \| NASA HPDE Instructor 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue <23> NASA is dedicated to aspiring or accomplished Focus racers and track enthusiast.

05-27-2008, 01:08 PM	#16
brads03zx3 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: California Posts: 8,461	Re: 2008 NASA Rules - Head and Neck Restraint req'd Why has the date been changed? __________________ Mountain Tested----'03 zetec DuraMonster---'03 duratec ZX3 vs MNTN - 9/0 & ZX3 vs TRACK - 4/1 *JCM Racing #88* Bouncing Back---Bigger, Faster, Stronger Executive Head Chief Administrative Supporting Subordinate Supervisor - Vacuum Vulture Racing

05-27-2008, 01:44 PM	#17
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Palmdale, California Posts: 3,999	Re: 2008 NASA Rules - Head and Neck Restraint req'd I don't know... this isn't the first time it's been change. I wouldn't be surprise if it changes again. __________________ NASA Spec Focus Series Director \| NASA HPDE Instructor 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue <23> NASA is dedicated to aspiring or accomplished Focus racers and track enthusiast.

05-27-2008, 06:03 PM	#18
SVTBuckeye TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pataskala Ohio Posts: 644	Re: 2008 NASA Rules - Head and Neck Restraint req'd e-mail I received today from Mid Atlantic region quoted that there was a backlog in some of the devices, thus a delay. __________________ LEM 2007-08 NASA Spec Focus racer w/ LCR racing 2002 SVT, Sonic Blue, NO options, vehicle 896 of 4788 Held at the factory Apr-June 02

05-29-2008, 12:23 PM	#20
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Palmdale, California Posts: 3,999	Re: 2008 NASA Rules - Head and Neck Restraint req'd Updated List HANS Performance Products - HANS Device (All Series) Leatt Brace Moto-R Sport Device Leatt Brace Moto-R Pro Device LFT Technologies R3 Device Safety Solutions Hutch-II Device Safety Solutions Hutchens Hybrid Device Safety Solutions Hybrid X Device __________________ NASA Spec Focus Series Director \| NASA HPDE Instructor 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue <23> NASA is dedicated to aspiring or accomplished Focus racers and track enthusiast.

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