What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) - The Ford Focus Forum

**Honda Hunter** · 10-15-2007, 10:23 PM

What do you think I could sell this car for if it were de-tuned to compete in Spec Focus?

$7K in body work and paint, fully gutted and lightened interior, gauges, racing buckets, SVT brakes all around, and I'd put a stock motor in her.

Let me know what you think.

Just a feeler, if anyone is interested, let's talk.

**BUR_ZX3** · 10-15-2007, 10:51 PM

I want the car.... but for the history of it.

Damn having no budget.

**homegrown2nr** · 10-16-2007, 02:16 AM

I'd hit it.

**guitarseth** · 10-16-2007, 06:11 AM

Probably not going to fly as-is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spec Focus Rules

22.6 Only OEM rear wings or spoilers are allowed in dealer configurations. ZX3 and ZX5 may upgrade to SVT (M-17839-SVT);
Ford Racing RS type spoilers (M-17839-RS) or F2 Focus RS Spoiler No aftermarket wings or spoilers are allowed. Splitters, rear
diffuser and belly trays are not allowed. SVT or RS Type Body kits are allowed.

22.7 Fenders and wheel openings must remain unmodified, except that rolling or flattening of inner fender lip for tire clearance
is permitted.

**Honda Hunter** · 10-16-2007, 07:33 AM

"22.7 Fenders and wheel openings must remain unmodified, except that rolling or flattening of inner fender lip for tire clearance
is permitted."

That could maybe be a problem, however the wheel wells are not widened, there are only covers over the original wells.

Who do I PM about this to find out if this would fly?

**homegrown2nr** · 10-16-2007, 09:38 AM

Ted - Ted7rns

or

Leo - 68 Touring Car

**Matt Marks** · 10-16-2007, 10:57 AM

A couple of things to think about, and apologies if this is bad news. The car looks fantastic, but...

1) Does it have a legal cage?
2) Are the seats race legal (i.e. 1 piece buckets, not just seats that have guide holes for harnesses
3) Harnesses legal? (3" and not older than 2 years if SFI approved)
4) Assuming it's an SVT, it will need an SVT motor or else swap in an MTX-75 trans
5) Will it have a spec legal suspension?

If it had all of the above, I'd ballpark $12-14k. Most of the extra $$ are in body and paint, which while it looks fantastic(!) won't affect performance.

To do the work above, you're probably looking at $4-5k in cash unless you can build the cage yourself. Less if you already have a motor, but a prospective buyer is going to have to weigh shelling out extra cash (specifically for the cage) vs. the appearance of the car if you don't already have it installed.

Matt

**Ted7rns** · 10-16-2007, 01:12 PM

The car looks great!!! But, I really can't tell by just the photo what it has or doesn't have. The body kit would have to be changed. The front bumper looks to have modeled type splitter which is not allowed. The wing and spoiler cannot be used. Even the air scoop on the roof cannot be used. plus you have some kind of a widebody kit and etc.

Then you have everything that Matt wrote in his thread about the safety equipment.

The car would be best to use in Performance Touring in it's current config, except you would have to take a lot of unnecessary points for the kit and wings which could cause it to become a very slow PTC car.

**Rodewaryer** · 10-17-2007, 05:26 AM

Well contrary to the negative everyone sees, digs for, comes up with, I see an awesome car. Nice work. I'm only a little doubtful on putting a stock engine in there but other than that, two thumbs up on the car.......

It would be criminal to remove body pieces/kit etc on that car to make it 'comply' with a particular series......

**guitarseth** · 10-17-2007, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodewaryer

Well contrary to the negative everyone sees, digs for, comes up with, I see an awesome car. Nice work. I'm only a little doubtful on putting a stock engine in there but other than that, two thumbs up on the car.......

It would be criminal to remove body pieces/kit etc on that car to make it 'comply' with a particular series......

I agree completely, its an awesome looking car. However, it'd be better off sold to someone who wants to just run Track Days or the like, instead of a spec racer.

**azbobbybooshay_10** · 10-17-2007, 07:00 AM

It would be a travesty to change the body of that car to fit some "spec" class, that is simply amazing. I would just not even think about building it for "Spec Focus" and just sell it for what it is, a replica of a fantastic rally car driven by an amazing duo.

EDIT: I just noticed though, I would immediately change one thing on that car. I'd remove the Nardone name and put Mr. McRae's name where it properly belongs. Its very odd seeing Nicky's name on the window with someone BESIDES Colin.

**Matt Marks** · 10-18-2007, 09:41 AM

To clarify - not knocking the car. For good or ill, when you are building a race car (spec, or other class), it is 100% important to know exactly what the car needs to have on it to be compliant with the class you want to run. The cost of buying a car is high enough without going through the additional pain of either having to add a bunch of new parts to make it compliant, or worse, have to spend a bunch of money to take parts off of the car to make it compliant.

So, my previous post is just pointing out to the seller and potential buyers what would need to be done to make it spec compliant. My advice would be to either make it a PT car as Ted notes, or keep it a very nice street car/HPDE car and enjoy it for what it is - which is gorgeous.

**recar** · 10-18-2007, 10:50 PM

That cars too pretty to race.

**only_in_a_domestic** · 10-19-2007, 03:53 AM

nick your an ass

**zx3freak** · 10-19-2007, 08:19 AM

Just out of curiosity what body kit is that? It looks awesome.

**Matt Marks** · 10-19-2007, 09:51 AM

ZX3freak - do you do HPDE or are looking to to race? I'm about 90 minutes from you in the Fairfax area, so if you're coming north and want to grab some beers and poke through my spec car, feel free.

Also, we'll be at VIR in Feb. with NASA mid-atlantic. Bring your car out and do an HPDE.

**ZX3autoxtasy** · 10-21-2007, 09:35 PM

The way it is, for SF:

You'll never get back whatever you have in it. You'd be better off leaving it as-is and selling it.

**Silonius** · 10-22-2007, 03:22 PM

That thing is gorgeous!

What's her story? Where did you get it?

Good luck with whatever plans you decide on!

**scottsf0cus** · 10-22-2007, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zx3freak

Just out of curiosity what body kit is that? It looks awesome.

That looks like a MC Rallying WRC front bumper if I'm not mistaken... I only have the same bumper on mine.

I want to say that there are finally a few stateside companies who are carrying this now, though it originally came from Europe! That car looks GREAT, and I wish I could snag it, but I need more of a daily driver than a track car for a couple more years...

**Honda Hunter** · 10-22-2007, 07:27 PM

Thanks for all the comments folks.

Is an Autopower 6 point bolt-in cage legal for Spec Focus?

**homegrown2nr** · 10-23-2007, 02:42 AM

^^ I'll pick this up from you when I come down for christmas.

**Matt Marks** · 10-23-2007, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honda Hunter

Thanks for all the comments folks.

Is an Autopower 6 point bolt-in cage legal for Spec Focus?

Depends on

1) Tubing diameter and wall thickness
2) Method of attachment to the car
3) design of main hoop. Autopower cages on some cars have a diagonal bar that connects from the top of the hoop to the rear downtubes. NASA requires that there be a diagonal from the top of the main hoop (above driver's head) to the base of the main hoop.

This is easy enough to add for a few hundred dollars if it doesn't have one. However, they will drill the cage and put a micrometer on it to verify thinkness and diameter. Make sure to double-check the CCR for the rules.

Do you have a link to the cage? I'll check it out.

Matt

**sleeperlove** · 10-23-2007, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by homegrown2nr

^^ I'll pick this up from you when I come down for christmas.

The car or the cage?

If you purchase that cage from him you REALLY should weld it in and add to it to be safe. After the incident this past year at mid ohio, I would never race with a bolt in cage or a weld in one with out proper door bars.

**Tobyboom** · 10-23-2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by only_in_a_domestic

nick your an ass

THANK YOU!!! I wonder what other projects in his life he'll abandon... Maybe the music school he's in how!!!

**Honda Hunter** · 10-26-2007, 10:18 AM

Oh, would you be quiet....

10-15-2007, 10:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Honda Hunter Krunktronik Tuner Goblin Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sunny South Florida Posts: 5,192	What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) What do you think I could sell this car for if it were de-tuned to compete in Spec Focus? $7K in body work and paint, fully gutted and lightened interior, gauges, racing buckets, SVT brakes all around, and I'd put a stock motor in her. Let me know what you think. Just a feeler, if anyone is interested, let's talk. __________________ -Nick NaRdone "See poleece, slow the ride."

10-15-2007, 10:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
BUR_ZX3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Little Saint Clara, Isle of Queen Califia Posts: 36,454	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) I want the car.... but for the history of it. Damn having no budget. __________________ Focus Challenge Director \| Redline Time Attack Host and Emcee \| Spec Focus Racer

10-16-2007, 02:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
homegrown2nr TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dahlgren, Va. Posts: 629	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) I'd hit it. __________________ Parts/Service by: Massive Speed System Great Parts and Customer Service! 2007 VW Rabbit - 2DR Hatch with 6spd Trip.

10-16-2007, 07:33 AM	#5 (permalink)
Honda Hunter Krunktronik Tuner Goblin Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sunny South Florida Posts: 5,192	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) "22.7 Fenders and wheel openings must remain unmodified, except that rolling or flattening of inner fender lip for tire clearance is permitted." That could maybe be a problem, however the wheel wells are not widened, there are only covers over the original wells. Who do I PM about this to find out if this would fly? __________________ -Nick NaRdone "See poleece, slow the ride."

10-16-2007, 09:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
homegrown2nr TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dahlgren, Va. Posts: 629	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) Ted - Ted7rns or Leo - 68 Touring Car __________________ Parts/Service by: Massive Speed System Great Parts and Customer Service! 2007 VW Rabbit - 2DR Hatch with 6spd Trip.

10-16-2007, 10:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 257	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) A couple of things to think about, and apologies if this is bad news. The car looks fantastic, but... 1) Does it have a legal cage? 2) Are the seats race legal (i.e. 1 piece buckets, not just seats that have guide holes for harnesses 3) Harnesses legal? (3" and not older than 2 years if SFI approved) 4) Assuming it's an SVT, it will need an SVT motor or else swap in an MTX-75 trans 5) Will it have a spec legal suspension? If it had all of the above, I'd ballpark $12-14k. Most of the extra $$ are in body and paint, which while it looks fantastic(!) won't affect performance. To do the work above, you're probably looking at $4-5k in cash unless you can build the cage yourself. Less if you already have a motor, but a prospective buyer is going to have to weigh shelling out extra cash (specifically for the cage) vs. the appearance of the car if you don't already have it installed. Matt __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion Last edited by Matt Marks; 10-16-2007 at 11:03 AM.

10-16-2007, 01:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 4,646	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) The car looks great!!! But, I really can't tell by just the photo what it has or doesn't have. The body kit would have to be changed. The front bumper looks to have modeled type splitter which is not allowed. The wing and spoiler cannot be used. Even the air scoop on the roof cannot be used. plus you have some kind of a widebody kit and etc. Then you have everything that Matt wrote in his thread about the safety equipment. The car would be best to use in Performance Touring in it's current config, except you would have to take a lot of unnecessary points for the kit and wings which could cause it to become a very slow PTC car. __________________ 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue

10-17-2007, 05:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
Rodewaryer Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Phoenix, Az. USA Posts: 3,459	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) Well contrary to the negative everyone sees, digs for, comes up with, I see an awesome car. Nice work. I'm only a little doubtful on putting a stock engine in there but other than that, two thumbs up on the car....... It would be criminal to remove body pieces/kit etc on that car to make it 'comply' with a particular series...... __________________ Rodewaryer (Mel Gibson only acted the part) 2002 Sonic Blue SVT Once driven to the Darkside, there's no turning back. Aerodynamics, don't test the limit without them.

10-18-2007, 09:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 257	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) To clarify - not knocking the car. For good or ill, when you are building a race car (spec, or other class), it is 100% important to know exactly what the car needs to have on it to be compliant with the class you want to run. The cost of buying a car is high enough without going through the additional pain of either having to add a bunch of new parts to make it compliant, or worse, have to spend a bunch of money to take parts off of the car to make it compliant. So, my previous post is just pointing out to the seller and potential buyers what would need to be done to make it spec compliant. My advice would be to either make it a PT car as Ted notes, or keep it a very nice street car/HPDE car and enjoy it for what it is - which is gorgeous. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

10-18-2007, 10:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
recar Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 2,029	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) That cars too pretty to race.

10-19-2007, 08:19 AM	#15 (permalink)
zx3freak TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 101	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) Just out of curiosity what body kit is that? It looks awesome.

10-19-2007, 09:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 257	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) ZX3freak - do you do HPDE or are looking to to race? I'm about 90 minutes from you in the Fairfax area, so if you're coming north and want to grab some beers and poke through my spec car, feel free. Also, we'll be at VIR in Feb. with NASA mid-atlantic. Bring your car out and do an HPDE. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

10-21-2007, 09:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
ZX3autoxtasy [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: atlanta Posts: 5,244	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) The way it is, for SF: You'll never get back whatever you have in it. You'd be better off leaving it as-is and selling it. __________________ 2008 Specialized Tarmac:: 0.0mpg with more carbon than your Focus. Pure. Power. 2007 Ridley Crossbow: Beware. Terrorizing you town until I sell it for a TT bike. 2004 Pitch Black 5spd 2.0L(Z) ZX3: Eibach Pro-Kit Springs, Eibach Pro-Kit Dampers, Brembo Rotors, Hawk HPS Pads, H&R 24mm Rear Swaybar, P-51 Shims, Focus-Sport Cool-Flo, Focus-Sport front & rear stress bar, MBRP Cat-Back, [Track] 15'' Steelies with 205/50/15 Falken Azeni RT-615's,[Street]UK ST200 Mondeo Wheels w/ Toyo Proxes 4 215/45/17's, Quantum Audio 12''/Quantum 800w Amp, Custom Ported Box, SVT Lip, and tons of other stuff...

10-22-2007, 03:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
Silonius TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 727	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) That thing is gorgeous! What's her story? Where did you get it? Good luck with whatever plans you decide on! __________________ 2004 Black ZX3 Zetec BAT springs,Ford Racing short shifter, Falken RT 615 205/50/15 Underdrive pulley and shorty header, H&R 5mm spacers and hardened lugs, Hawk HP+ front pads, SPC camber plates Up next short term: Replace header, timing belt and water pump Up next long term: cage and Rally Spec Focus!

10-22-2007, 07:27 PM	#20 (permalink)
Honda Hunter Krunktronik Tuner Goblin Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sunny South Florida Posts: 5,192	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) Thanks for all the comments folks. Is an Autopower 6 point bolt-in cage legal for Spec Focus? __________________ -Nick NaRdone "See poleece, slow the ride."

10-23-2007, 02:42 AM	#21 (permalink)
homegrown2nr TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dahlgren, Va. Posts: 629	Re: What's this custom Spec Focus worth to you? (Pics) ^^ I'll pick this up from you when I come down for christmas. __________________ Parts/Service by: Massive Speed System Great Parts and Customer Service! 2007 VW Rabbit - 2DR Hatch with 6spd Trip.

10-26-2007, 10:18 AM	#25 (permalink)
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