Proper Way to get Licensed? - The Ford Focus Forum

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-22-2007, 11:18 PM

Hey guys I am planning on getting my license next year so that I can join you in the 2009 season or maybe a couple of races in the 2008. What do you guys think is the best way to get the license. I have seen the Classes in mid-ohio. They are kind of expensive but instant gratisfaction. The other way would be by doing HPDE. I don't know much about this approch to getting the license but is it more expensive?? Also are there going to be some basic stuff that might be left out with just HPDE? Of course I want to be the best possible racer I can and be safe in the track because I don't think I can afford a second focus... plus the racing. I did read some of the CCR stuff which help me a bit on how to manage traffic specially on corners and how has right of way ...

Any help will be appreciated and hopefully I will see you guys soon out there.

Hector Fontanet

**sleeperlove** · 10-22-2007, 11:19 PM

Have you ever been on track before?

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-22-2007, 11:55 PM

Yes but not on a NASA event. Here is my track list

El Tuque (Ponce, Puerto Rico around 2004) on a LT1 Trans Am
Waterford Hill First TT event of the year 2007 on my STI

Beside this I have done
2006 Rallycross season on WOR SCCA (Won PA class)
2006 Autocross Season on WOR SCCA (Won STU class)
2007 Autocross Season on WOR SCCA (Won BSP Class)
2007 Other random autocrosses.

I know Autocrossing is very different but just posting my experience overall.

I know how to handle a car in Time Trial Traffic but that is not even near to what Road Racing traffic is... For NASA Licensing purpose I can probably say I have 0 experience.

Hope this helps

**brads03zx3** · 10-22-2007, 11:55 PM

Whether or not you go through the HPDE program to get your license, I suggest 1 or 2 or 25 HPDE days. One thing racing is not, is cheap. Auto racing is the second most expensive hobby in the world, only behind speed boat racing (people are probably tired of hearing this quote

). Basically, if you can't afford a route to a racing license, you can't afford to race (hence why I work on race cars, not drive them). A good driver can probably make it through the HPDE program and Driving Concepts type license program in a year, but that is pretty fast. That is pretty much what Lapp is doing. There are also the big schools like bob bondurant, skip barber, etc. The HPDE setup is probably slightly cheaper depending on how long it takes, but you have to factor in car maintenance/tires etc.

HPDE ~$500/weekend + >$500 for license weekend.
Skip Barber type school ~$3000-5000
SF build ~$12-15k
SF weekend ~$800/weekend.

Actually...that would probably put the skip barber schools in the cheaper category, but you won't get nearly the track experience that you would being on track one weekend/month for a year.

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-22-2007, 11:59 PM

BTW I'm in OHIO so Mid-Ohio school is a possibility. I think if you take your own car is like 1600 or something and 5 days or so....

How many HPDE it usually takes for NASA to Approve the license? or is it very dependent on your skills and then a NASA instructor rides with you and examines you?

**sleeperlove** · 10-23-2007, 12:11 AM

To go through the hpde system you have to go through each HPDE. By the looks of it that may be the route you should take. 2 track days is most definitely not enough to start racing wheel to wheel.

You can easily get through hpde 1 and possibly 2 in a weekend, if you aren't ham fisted. the jump from 1to group 2 isnt that big but the jump from group 2 to 3 is HUGE by comparison. Group 3 the traffic is much faster as is the level of driver skill and raw vehicle speed. You probably need something like 5 days at least in 3 to get to 4 then there is the comp school which gives you your provisional license (not the mid o driving school) which I think is 900 at mid o or something like that and then you can race wheel 2 wheel.

My best reccomendation for you is to start next season doing hpde and if you can get to a lot of tracks/events and are a good driver I think you could maybe get your provisional license in a year. But you would need to go to a pretty decent number of events. Get as much instruction as you can and don't go into it with any kind of ego about your skills.

All that said I will see you at mid o next year, and hopefully some of the other tracks in this area

**brads03zx3** · 10-23-2007, 12:13 AM

I can't actually answer that question. I believe it depends on your region. In SoCal, NASA doesn't approve the license. After one makes his/her way through the HPDE program, the driver can attend the DrivingConcepts racing school. DrivingConcepts grants the license, and NASA recognizes it...or that is how I understand it.

**brads03zx3** · 10-23-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sleeperlove

2 track days is most definitely not enough to start racing wheel to wheel

I did wheel to wheel racing before any HPDE

I have 4 days of wheel 2 wheel and 2.1 days of DE.

**sleeperlove** · 10-23-2007, 12:18 AM

lemons doesn't apply here

And I believe what brad said about the license in post #7 is the same way nasa OH-IN works as well.

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-23-2007, 12:31 AM

I will keep researching more on it... What ever I choose to do I still have to wait for winter to go by... I think I might do the school and from the school attend to as many hpde as possible (since my focus probably won't be ready yet at least power wise) Get to know the car as much as possible.

**sleeperlove** · 10-23-2007, 01:13 AM

Do the school last, From what I have been told the school doesn't teach you things it analyzes your ability to hold a line and be consistent. They don't teach you how to race there.

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-23-2007, 08:41 AM

Interesting... You would think a school would teach... I guess at least i will do a couple of HPDE and see where I stand driving my car with traffic.

**sleeperlove** · 10-23-2007, 08:58 AM

Hpde, is very controlled traffic. In the OH-IN region there is only passing on the straights and only when pointed by in groups 1-3, with group 3 sometimes if they work well together for the weekend getting some sessions with open passing with a point by. But it still requires that you pay tons of attention because if you get a train behind you there will be a bunch of angry people. Then HPDE 4 who runs with TT has open passing.

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-23-2007, 09:34 AM

I just had a mental image of how ugly it can get out there... I better make sure I'm prepared with all the training I need. THANKS!!!

**sleeperlove** · 10-23-2007, 10:38 AM

Yea, Think being on track with probably 40 other cars or more of varying speed and driver ability and having to manage working through the traffic that is slower than you and the traffic that is coming up on you and will run right past you mid corner. All the while remembering that you are only racing a few of the people on track for position so you don't need to worry about other cars just make sure you stay in touch or ahead of the other foci on the track. As well as watching for flags, managing brakes, tires, running your race strategy, etc. Intense!

edit: also often times the Spec focus group runs in the race group with spec miatas so you would have to be VERY aware of them because the fast ones will be a little quicker than the sf but more importantly they beat the hell out of eachother so you have to anticipate the wreck that WILL happen between them. At nationals this year the Spec piniatas didn't even get to turn one before there was a big wreck

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-23-2007, 01:25 PM

Spec piniatas... I like that... LOL...

**SVTBuckeye** · 10-23-2007, 02:51 PM

The way to get a NASA provisional licence is the big secret that NASA has. You can't really find it written anywhere. Written is the National licence process.

I seems that each region has its own set of hoops to jump through. I can address OH/IN as I got mine this past year.

The key is HPDE 4 experience. You need several weekends of HPDE 4, lets say four days at least.
Then,.... the best way to finish up is the Mid Ohio School with their Acura cars.
The Mid Ohio Friday school is run in conjuction with a NASA weekend of racing there. They held three such schools last year on the Friday before the NASA race weekends. You successfully complete the Mid Ohio, and turn in their certificate to Dave Royce along with a completed physical, and a resume listing all your track experience to include the Solo, Rally cross etc, plus a check for $60. Dave is most interested in the HPDE open passing (level 4) as that is as close to racing as one can get without racing.

The Mid Ohio school is a"finishing school", they assume you have considerable experience at speed, on track, in passing situations. They have you practice running side by side with another car for two complete laps just to experience the experience so to speak. They practice starts, both rolling and standing, they spend some time on the Mid Ohio racing line even though that is secondary and most should know it. They expect smooth and quick laping with good car control

OH/IN seems to have a clearer path to licence than other regions, as there was a young couple that came from California to do an earlier school, and they were there for the comp school as it is faster than what ever is going on where they live as I understood.

I recommend renting their Acuras as there is little or NO time to maintain your car during the school. You go from the classroom to the cars and back with barely enough time to piss.

Unless you have a really good crew, you don't even have time to refuel. AND, if you have mechanical problems you are not going to get on the track and thus not finish the school. It cost??? about $800 with their car. Check the web site for details.

PS I had a great time. (Went from last (11) to second on the standing start before turn two! sheeeee, don't tell anyone how.)

Bottom line, it costs considerable money for this stuff. Probably very commensurate with the fun you have. Lots of fun, lots of........

You can run HPDE's twice a month between Mid Ohio, Putnam park, BeaveRun, Gingerman, and Gratten from the OH/MI/IN area. If one spent the $$, they could start in early spring and be licenced and racing by August. Take considerable time and money.

good luck, see you at Mid Ohio or elsewhere soon, but not soon enough. damn winter

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-23-2007, 03:53 PM

Wow that is a very nice description... What about the 3 day school they offer?

The way you just described seems like the way to go. Better start saving.

**sleeperlove** · 10-23-2007, 04:32 PM

I don't know that their school is worth the cash. Considering you can do HPDE and likely learn all the things that they go over for like 1/5 the cost. Then do the comp school.

**Ted7rns** · 10-23-2007, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InFocusTraSTi

Wow that is a very nice description... What about the 3 day school they offer?

The way you just described seems like the way to go. Better start saving.

The best way is to go through the HPDE program and then take the Mid-Ohio Race School... This is the same in SoCal where we have Driving Concepts for our race school. Each region is slightly different because some regions have a race school, where others do not. But, all regions have a HPDE program.

NASA feels strongly about it's HPDE program and uses it as it's training for new racers. IMHO it's a far better approached then what SCCA does by allowing someone come from the Auto-X ranks to just take a 3-day race school and boom, you have experience to race in traffic.

How fast you go through HPDE is different for each driver. Mark Lapp spent the whole season before getting into HPDE4 which is about normal. It took me only 4 weekends before I moved into HPDE4. It all about how fast you move through the HPDE program. Even if you pass the Driving School, it's still up to your regional director to grant your Race License. If he only see you with one HPDE4 weekend, he might ask you to stay in HPDE4 for a few more weeks after your Race School before granting your provisional.

**ckisner** · 10-23-2007, 08:35 PM

hector

will your car be ready next spring? if so, i'd recommend taking the drivers school at waterford hills in clarkston, mi. it's reasonably priced (approx 250.00) and you can get your license in one weekend. holland, mi is not that far away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by InFocusTraSTi

Hey guys I am planning on getting my license next year so that I can join you in the 2009 season or maybe a couple of races in the 2008. What do you guys think is the best way to get the license. I have seen the Classes in mid-ohio. They are kind of expensive but instant gratisfaction. The other way would be by doing HPDE. I don't know much about this approch to getting the license but is it more expensive?? Also are there going to be some basic stuff that might be left out with just HPDE? Of course I want to be the best possible racer I can and be safe in the track because I don't think I can afford a second focus... plus the racing. I did read some of the CCR stuff which help me a bit on how to manage traffic specially on corners and how has right of way ...

Any help will be appreciated and hopefully I will see you guys soon out there.

Hector Fontanet

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-23-2007, 08:56 PM

Thanks for the tips. How would one go about decising when to move up to the next HPDE stage?

**Ted7rns** · 10-23-2007, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InFocusTraSTi

Thanks for the tips. How would one go about decising when to move up to the next HPDE stage?

HPDE Instructors will be able to sign you off to move to the next level.

**InFocusTraSTi** · 10-23-2007, 10:07 PM

Ok thanks guys for all the help SEE YOU NEXT SEASON!!!

**Matt Marks** · 10-24-2007, 11:40 AM

For those of you in the East, NASA Mid-Atlantic has a 1-day school at the February event at VIR. I think you need to at least be HPDE 3 or have similar experience with other groups to get in.

You do on-track excercises and classroom all day on Friday, and if they sign you off, you can race Saturday and Sunday.

Cost is around $350 and the track is the incredible.

10-22-2007, 11:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Proper Way to get Licensed? Hey guys I am planning on getting my license next year so that I can join you in the 2009 season or maybe a couple of races in the 2008. What do you guys think is the best way to get the license. I have seen the Classes in mid-ohio. They are kind of expensive but instant gratisfaction. The other way would be by doing HPDE. I don't know much about this approch to getting the license but is it more expensive?? Also are there going to be some basic stuff that might be left out with just HPDE? Of course I want to be the best possible racer I can and be safe in the track because I don't think I can afford a second focus... plus the racing. I did read some of the CCR stuff which help me a bit on how to manage traffic specially on corners and how has right of way ... Any help will be appreciated and hopefully I will see you guys soon out there. Hector Fontanet

10-22-2007, 11:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Apex hunting Posts: 9,824	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Have you ever been on track before? __________________ “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

10-22-2007, 11:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Yes but not on a NASA event. Here is my track list El Tuque (Ponce, Puerto Rico around 2004) on a LT1 Trans Am Waterford Hill First TT event of the year 2007 on my STI Beside this I have done 2006 Rallycross season on WOR SCCA (Won PA class) 2006 Autocross Season on WOR SCCA (Won STU class) 2007 Autocross Season on WOR SCCA (Won BSP Class) 2007 Other random autocrosses. I know Autocrossing is very different but just posting my experience overall. I know how to handle a car in Time Trial Traffic but that is not even near to what Road Racing traffic is... For NASA Licensing purpose I can probably say I have 0 experience. Hope this helps

10-22-2007, 11:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
brads03zx3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 11,661	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Whether or not you go through the HPDE program to get your license, I suggest 1 or 2 or 25 HPDE days. One thing racing is not, is cheap. Auto racing is the second most expensive hobby in the world, only behind speed boat racing (people are probably tired of hearing this quote ). Basically, if you can't afford a route to a racing license, you can't afford to race (hence why I work on race cars, not drive them). A good driver can probably make it through the HPDE program and Driving Concepts type license program in a year, but that is pretty fast. That is pretty much what Lapp is doing. There are also the big schools like bob bondurant, skip barber, etc. The HPDE setup is probably slightly cheaper depending on how long it takes, but you have to factor in car maintenance/tires etc. HPDE ~$500/weekend + >$500 for license weekend. Skip Barber type school ~$3000-5000 SF build ~$12-15k SF weekend ~$800/weekend. Actually...that would probably put the skip barber schools in the cheaper category, but you won't get nearly the track experience that you would being on track one weekend/month for a year. __________________ Mountain Tested----'03 zetec ZX3 vs MNTN - 15-1 & ZX3 vs TRACK - 23/1 *JCM Racing #88* Back to Dual Purpose Focusing Vacuum Vulture Racing - We add stiffness

10-22-2007, 11:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? BTW I'm in OHIO so Mid-Ohio school is a possibility. I think if you take your own car is like 1600 or something and 5 days or so.... How many HPDE it usually takes for NASA to Approve the license? or is it very dependent on your skills and then a NASA instructor rides with you and examines you?

10-23-2007, 12:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Apex hunting Posts: 9,824	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? To go through the hpde system you have to go through each HPDE. By the looks of it that may be the route you should take. 2 track days is most definitely not enough to start racing wheel to wheel. You can easily get through hpde 1 and possibly 2 in a weekend, if you aren't ham fisted. the jump from 1to group 2 isnt that big but the jump from group 2 to 3 is HUGE by comparison. Group 3 the traffic is much faster as is the level of driver skill and raw vehicle speed. You probably need something like 5 days at least in 3 to get to 4 then there is the comp school which gives you your provisional license (not the mid o driving school) which I think is 900 at mid o or something like that and then you can race wheel 2 wheel. My best reccomendation for you is to start next season doing hpde and if you can get to a lot of tracks/events and are a good driver I think you could maybe get your provisional license in a year. But you would need to go to a pretty decent number of events. Get as much instruction as you can and don't go into it with any kind of ego about your skills. All that said I will see you at mid o next year, and hopefully some of the other tracks in this area __________________ “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

10-23-2007, 12:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
brads03zx3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 11,661	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? I can't actually answer that question. I believe it depends on your region. In SoCal, NASA doesn't approve the license. After one makes his/her way through the HPDE program, the driver can attend the DrivingConcepts racing school. DrivingConcepts grants the license, and NASA recognizes it...or that is how I understand it. __________________ Mountain Tested----'03 zetec ZX3 vs MNTN - 15-1 & ZX3 vs TRACK - 23/1 *JCM Racing #88* Back to Dual Purpose Focusing Vacuum Vulture Racing - We add stiffness

10-23-2007, 12:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Apex hunting Posts: 9,824	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? lemons doesn't apply here And I believe what brad said about the license in post #7 is the same way nasa OH-IN works as well. __________________ “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

10-23-2007, 12:31 AM	#10 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? I will keep researching more on it... What ever I choose to do I still have to wait for winter to go by... I think I might do the school and from the school attend to as many hpde as possible (since my focus probably won't be ready yet at least power wise) Get to know the car as much as possible.

10-23-2007, 01:13 AM	#11 (permalink)
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Apex hunting Posts: 9,824	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Do the school last, From what I have been told the school doesn't teach you things it analyzes your ability to hold a line and be consistent. They don't teach you how to race there. __________________ “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

10-23-2007, 08:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Interesting... You would think a school would teach... I guess at least i will do a couple of HPDE and see where I stand driving my car with traffic.

10-23-2007, 08:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Apex hunting Posts: 9,824	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Hpde, is very controlled traffic. In the OH-IN region there is only passing on the straights and only when pointed by in groups 1-3, with group 3 sometimes if they work well together for the weekend getting some sessions with open passing with a point by. But it still requires that you pay tons of attention because if you get a train behind you there will be a bunch of angry people. Then HPDE 4 who runs with TT has open passing. __________________ “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

10-23-2007, 09:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? I just had a mental image of how ugly it can get out there... I better make sure I'm prepared with all the training I need. THANKS!!!

10-23-2007, 10:38 AM	#15 (permalink)
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Apex hunting Posts: 9,824	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Yea, Think being on track with probably 40 other cars or more of varying speed and driver ability and having to manage working through the traffic that is slower than you and the traffic that is coming up on you and will run right past you mid corner. All the while remembering that you are only racing a few of the people on track for position so you don't need to worry about other cars just make sure you stay in touch or ahead of the other foci on the track. As well as watching for flags, managing brakes, tires, running your race strategy, etc. Intense! edit: also often times the Spec focus group runs in the race group with spec miatas so you would have to be VERY aware of them because the fast ones will be a little quicker than the sf but more importantly they beat the hell out of eachother so you have to anticipate the wreck that WILL happen between them. At nationals this year the Spec piniatas didn't even get to turn one before there was a big wreck __________________ “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

10-23-2007, 01:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Spec piniatas... I like that... LOL...

10-23-2007, 02:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
SVTBuckeye TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pataskala Ohio Posts: 792	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? The way to get a NASA provisional licence is the big secret that NASA has. You can't really find it written anywhere. Written is the National licence process. I seems that each region has its own set of hoops to jump through. I can address OH/IN as I got mine this past year. The key is HPDE 4 experience. You need several weekends of HPDE 4, lets say four days at least. Then,.... the best way to finish up is the Mid Ohio School with their Acura cars. The Mid Ohio Friday school is run in conjuction with a NASA weekend of racing there. They held three such schools last year on the Friday before the NASA race weekends. You successfully complete the Mid Ohio, and turn in their certificate to Dave Royce along with a completed physical, and a resume listing all your track experience to include the Solo, Rally cross etc, plus a check for $60. Dave is most interested in the HPDE open passing (level 4) as that is as close to racing as one can get without racing. The Mid Ohio school is a"finishing school", they assume you have considerable experience at speed, on track, in passing situations. They have you practice running side by side with another car for two complete laps just to experience the experience so to speak. They practice starts, both rolling and standing, they spend some time on the Mid Ohio racing line even though that is secondary and most should know it. They expect smooth and quick laping with good car control OH/IN seems to have a clearer path to licence than other regions, as there was a young couple that came from California to do an earlier school, and they were there for the comp school as it is faster than what ever is going on where they live as I understood. I recommend renting their Acuras as there is little or NO time to maintain your car during the school. You go from the classroom to the cars and back with barely enough time to piss. Unless you have a really good crew, you don't even have time to refuel. AND, if you have mechanical problems you are not going to get on the track and thus not finish the school. It cost??? about $800 with their car. Check the web site for details. PS I had a great time. (Went from last (11) to second on the standing start before turn two! sheeeee, don't tell anyone how.) Bottom line, it costs considerable money for this stuff. Probably very commensurate with the fun you have. Lots of fun, lots of........ You can run HPDE's twice a month between Mid Ohio, Putnam park, BeaveRun, Gingerman, and Gratten from the OH/MI/IN area. If one spent the $$, they could start in early spring and be licenced and racing by August. Take considerable time and money. good luck, see you at Mid Ohio or elsewhere soon, but not soon enough. damn winter __________________ LEM 2007,2008, 2009 NASA Spec Focus racer w/ LCR racing 2002 SVT, Sonic Blue, NO options, vehicle 896 of 4788 Held at the factory Apr-June 02

10-23-2007, 03:53 PM	#18 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Wow that is a very nice description... What about the 3 day school they offer? The way you just described seems like the way to go. Better start saving.

10-23-2007, 04:32 PM	#19 (permalink)
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Apex hunting Posts: 9,824	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? I don't know that their school is worth the cash. Considering you can do HPDE and likely learn all the things that they go over for like 1/5 the cost. Then do the comp school. __________________ “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

10-23-2007, 08:56 PM	#22 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Thanks for the tips. How would one go about decising when to move up to the next HPDE stage?

10-23-2007, 10:07 PM	#24 (permalink)
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? Ok thanks guys for all the help SEE YOU NEXT SEASON!!!

10-24-2007, 11:40 AM	#25 (permalink)
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 257	Re: Proper Way to get Licensed? For those of you in the East, NASA Mid-Atlantic has a 1-day school at the February event at VIR. I think you need to at least be HPDE 3 or have similar experience with other groups to get in. You do on-track excercises and classroom all day on Friday, and if they sign you off, you can race Saturday and Sunday. Cost is around $350 and the track is the incredible. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

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