Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning - The Ford Focus Forum

**Matt Marks** · 10-31-2007, 07:40 AM

To all you guys running water and water wetter - frost warning. Reminder to change it out for antifreeze for the winter to avoid cracked blocks. That will save a frantic effort under the car in the dark draining the water when the big cold snap comes through (like I had to do on Monday night)

Or - clean out your garage so you can keep it inside and warm.

**Ted7rns** · 10-31-2007, 12:16 PM

antifreeze?? Do we need that in SoCal?

**polarisman14** · 10-31-2007, 12:43 PM

I juuuuuuust did that in time-It was 50 or so on sunday and I siphoned some of the water/WW mix and put in straight coolant...that night it got down to 25 or 30. lucky lucky!

**Cameroon** · 10-31-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted7rns

antifreeze?? Do we need that in SoCal?

That was my first thought.

**SVTBuckeye** · 11-01-2007, 07:55 PM

Do you have something to stop the corrosion? As much an issue as freezing

**Ted7rns** · 11-01-2007, 08:49 PM

I would always use Royal Purples' Purple Ice which works for rust, corrosion and erosion.

**Matt Marks** · 11-02-2007, 10:35 AM

No experience with the Purple Ice, but what I do know is that Water Wetter increases cooling by reducing the surface tension of the water against the head and coolant passages, which keeps it in better contact with the metal. The result is better cooling (more water/coolant touching the metal) and a decrease in microscopic hot spots causing "mini" boiling points --->> erosion

Also has additives to lube the water pump and prevent the seals from drying out and leaking.

THere are some really good technical articles on the product at redline's website along with real technical data of cooling effects on a test motor with varying amounts of coolant/water/water wetter. I think it's www.redlineoils.com

Cool reading if you're a techno geek ;-)

I assume that the Purple Ice functions in a similar fashion with similar results. No one seems to stock this stuff in my area - so I use W.W. as a default.

Oh - and always use distilled water! Tap water --->> full of minerals --->> bonds to aluminum --->> big erosion

**brads03zx3** · 11-02-2007, 10:58 AM

Water wetter does have corrosion fighting properties. It's good stuff, but don't expect a 24 degree improvement, or whatever they claim on their website. I probably got a consistent 5 degree improvement in my truck. I guess it might do a bit better if I drop the coolant level...I still run a 50/50 mix and top off with a bottle of WW.

**Ted7rns** · 11-02-2007, 12:01 PM

Purple Ice does the same thing as wetter water. http://www.royalpurple.com.au/files/...T/prpiceps.pdf

**Matt Marks** · 11-02-2007, 02:23 PM

And they're both colorful and non-toxic. Put a cocktail umbrella in them, pour over ice, and you have delicious trackside beverages.

**Ted7rns** · 11-02-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Marks

And they're both colorful and non-toxic. Put a cocktail umbrella in them, pour over ice, and you have delicious trackside beverages.

**68 Touring Car** · 11-02-2007, 02:37 PM

I rather have a JACK!!!

**Ted7rns** · 11-02-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 68 Touring Car

I rather have a JACK!!!

Leo, That's not a surprise to any of us.

**BUR_ZX3** · 11-03-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by brads03zx3

Water wetter does have corrosion fighting properties. It's good stuff, but don't expect a 24 degree improvement, or whatever they claim on their website. I probably got a consistent 5 degree improvement in my truck. I guess it might do a bit better if I drop the coolant level...I still run a 50/50 mix and top off with a bottle of WW.

Brad, I disagree. From coolant to water is a HUGE difference. from water only to water+water wetter was a slight difference. I did some datalogging, but they're on my old laptop... but the difference was major.

In the Focus, using 50/50 coolant water, the temp hovered right around 180* on a 50* day. Drain the coolant, go to straight water (as best I could) and the temp would barely break 140*. Running when it was in the high 30s low 40s the temps were no higher than 120* and the needle on the dummy gauge would barely come off the cold.

**f2focus** · 11-03-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 68 Touring Car

I rather have a JACK!!!

What about Patron!

**brads03zx3** · 11-04-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BUR_ZX3

Brad, I disagree. From coolant to water is a HUGE difference.

Todd, did you read all that I wrote? I didn't make the jump from 50/50 to water+WW. I still run a mix with WW. I said I would probably see a better improvement if I took some or all of the coolant out, but it is not worth it to me on a street vehicle that does see freezing weather.

**BUR_ZX3** · 11-04-2007, 11:36 PM

Sorry... my ADD musta kicked in by that point.

10-31-2007, 07:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 257	Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning To all you guys running water and water wetter - frost warning. Reminder to change it out for antifreeze for the winter to avoid cracked blocks. That will save a frantic effort under the car in the dark draining the water when the big cold snap comes through (like I had to do on Monday night) Or - clean out your garage so you can keep it inside and warm. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

10-31-2007, 12:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 4,646	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning antifreeze?? Do we need that in SoCal? __________________ 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue

10-31-2007, 12:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
polarisman14 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Henniker, NH Posts: 3,940	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning I juuuuuuust did that in time-It was 50 or so on sunday and I siphoned some of the water/WW mix and put in straight coolant...that night it got down to 25 or 30. lucky lucky! __________________ --UnFocused1-- AKA >>Matt<< --01 Focus "FCS-PWR" 350+whp Work-In-Progress-- <03 Ranger 4.0L "SKIGOD" DD: CAI, custom side exhaust, audio> >86 Ninja 250R "GOPED" 50+mpg bullet: Slip-ons, Pod filters, Jet kit, LED signals, custom plate bracket<

11-01-2007, 07:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
SVTBuckeye TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pataskala Ohio Posts: 792	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning Do you have something to stop the corrosion? As much an issue as freezing __________________ LEM 2007,2008, 2009 NASA Spec Focus racer w/ LCR racing 2002 SVT, Sonic Blue, NO options, vehicle 896 of 4788 Held at the factory Apr-June 02

11-01-2007, 08:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 4,646	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning I would always use Royal Purples' Purple Ice which works for rust, corrosion and erosion. __________________ 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue

11-02-2007, 10:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 257	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning No experience with the Purple Ice, but what I do know is that Water Wetter increases cooling by reducing the surface tension of the water against the head and coolant passages, which keeps it in better contact with the metal. The result is better cooling (more water/coolant touching the metal) and a decrease in microscopic hot spots causing "mini" boiling points --->> erosion Also has additives to lube the water pump and prevent the seals from drying out and leaking. THere are some really good technical articles on the product at redline's website along with real technical data of cooling effects on a test motor with varying amounts of coolant/water/water wetter. I think it's www.redlineoils.com Cool reading if you're a techno geek ;-) I assume that the Purple Ice functions in a similar fashion with similar results. No one seems to stock this stuff in my area - so I use W.W. as a default. Oh - and always use distilled water! Tap water --->> full of minerals --->> bonds to aluminum --->> big erosion __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

11-02-2007, 10:58 AM	#8 (permalink)
brads03zx3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 11,660	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning Water wetter does have corrosion fighting properties. It's good stuff, but don't expect a 24 degree improvement, or whatever they claim on their website. I probably got a consistent 5 degree improvement in my truck. I guess it might do a bit better if I drop the coolant level...I still run a 50/50 mix and top off with a bottle of WW. __________________ Mountain Tested----'03 zetec ZX3 vs MNTN - 15-1 & ZX3 vs TRACK - 23/1 *JCM Racing #88* Back to Dual Purpose Focusing Vacuum Vulture Racing - We add stiffness

11-02-2007, 12:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 4,646	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning Purple Ice does the same thing as wetter water. http://www.royalpurple.com.au/files/...T/prpiceps.pdf __________________ 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue

11-02-2007, 02:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 257	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning And they're both colorful and non-toxic. Put a cocktail umbrella in them, pour over ice, and you have delicious trackside beverages. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

11-02-2007, 02:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
68 Touring Car Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Motor City Posts: 1,335	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning I rather have a JACK!!! __________________ Leo NASA Spec Focus Series Director www.capaldiracing.com "Quitters Never Win"

11-04-2007, 11:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
BUR_ZX3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Little Saint Clara, Isle of Queen Califia Posts: 36,454	Re: Water and Water Wetter? Freeze Warning Sorry... my ADD musta kicked in by that point. __________________ Focus Challenge Director \| Redline Time Attack Host and Emcee \| Spec Focus Racer

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