2008 Spec Focus Rules and Technical Bulletins - Page 3 - Focaljet

**brads03zx3** · 12-13-2007, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted7rns

^^^^And if Chris had his motor blueprinted..

because blueprinting was in the original motivation for the series

sounds like we will have spec miata engines here before too long.

**Ted7rns** · 12-13-2007, 02:02 PM

^^^ Nope because we will add back our Hp-to-Weight Ratio. The only reason we dropped it was we didn’t think it was necessary at this time.

**68 Touring Car** · 12-13-2007, 08:23 PM

As far as I know none of the car that ran the Nationals had blueprinted engines? Ted do you know some thing the rest of us should know? Chris's SVT made very good power and he still can put a tune on it.

**Ted7rns** · 12-13-2007, 08:28 PM

As far as what? I got those numbers from you or Ford

If it’s something else… well psssssss it’s a secret.

**Matt Marks** · 12-15-2007, 05:46 PM

Please also remember that the series is still very young, so changes to formula used for power - whether RPM limits, HP/TQ/WT, etc - are bound to change. Part of the factor is that it's not easy to tell who can get what power out of which motor within the scope of the rules. If racer's start to build (for example - SVT guys stay chilled) blueprinted SVT motors that consistently make 170, then they will have moved the benchmark for what that motor is evaluated on - and therefore other factors will be adjusted to compensate. i.e the assumption would then be that all SVT motors are capable of 170.

For example - the 2.3's proved to be the fastest in 2007, so they were reined in for 2008 by increased weight and limiting R/P to 3.82.

Also, - if someone is making far too much power, NASA has the right to claim the motor if they so choose.

**jezwald101** · 12-15-2007, 11:01 PM

but you also increased weight of the zetec engine which never won a race....jesse

**Ted7rns** · 12-16-2007, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezwald101

but you also increased weight of the zetec engine which never won a race....jesse

We increased the weight to all 2.0 cars, mainly because it made it harder for the Sedans to get down to 2575lbs. But the 2.3L is still 75lbs heavier then all the 2.0L

**jezwald101** · 12-16-2007, 09:01 PM

dont understand,it made it harder for the sedans to get down to 2575lbs????

**brads03zx3** · 12-16-2007, 09:15 PM

2575 was the previous minimum weight. It was too difficult for the sedans to get to that weight, so they raised the minimum weight for all cars up to 2600. Because they felt the 2.3 had an advantage, they raised the weight of those cars even higher.

**jezwald101** · 12-16-2007, 09:20 PM

too difficult to get to the weight???????

**Matt Marks** · 12-17-2007, 08:11 AM

Believe me - it is not easy to get the sedans to that weight

**InFocusTraSTi** · 01-10-2008, 10:25 PM

Hey guys I was looking over the rules but didn't see anything on Battery relocation? Is it legal?

**Ted7rns** · 01-11-2008, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InFocusTraSTi

Hey guys I was looking over the rules but didn't see anything on Battery relocation? Is it legal?

Yes, you can relocated it.

**InFocusTraSTi** · 01-11-2008, 10:03 AM

Is there anywhere that I can follow a guide line to what meet tech inspection? I know in some places you need to vent the battery box to the outside of the car. I just want to get that right if I decide on doing so. Also what about mounting it. I would probably go with a battery box that would be strapped down to the car but I haven't look to deep into this.

**CCapaldi** · 01-11-2008, 11:22 AM

We've used the Moroso sealed box in the past.

http://www.rpmoutlet.com/musv6batt.htm

**Ted7rns** · 01-11-2008, 12:33 PM

In NASA CCRs it states the following.

18.8 Battery
The battery shall be securely fastened down to the car. No Bungee cords or rubber cords may be used to function as the sole hold down mechanism. An electrically nonconductive material must cover the positive battery terminal. Any battery located inside the driver’s compartment shall be fully covered and firmly secured to the chassis in a marine type battery case. True dry cell batteries may be mounted without a surrounding case, however a case is still recommended. Note- there is a difference between “dry cells” and “gel cells.” Gel cells still need to be mounted in a case.

**InFocusTraSTi** · 01-11-2008, 04:20 PM

OPtima Red top is that dry (I believe it is...)

**Ted7rns** · 01-11-2008, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InFocusTraSTi

OPtima Red top is that dry (I believe it is...)

No Optima are SpiralCell Technology. But, they are still acid filled cells. The Dry cells are like the Odyssesy Race Batteries.

http://www.flatironstuning.com/shop/...batteries.aspx

http://www.optimabattery.co.uk/engli.../technical.htm

**InFocusTraSTi** · 02-06-2008, 10:02 PM

Hey guys sorry for asking so much but is there any rule that would not permit a balance shaft delete on 2.3L duratec? I really wouldn't know under what that would fall because I don't think it is part of flywheel but then again there probably is a rule not permitting me to do so.

**InFocusTraSTi** · 02-07-2008, 12:31 PM

To answer my own question I gues this rule would eliminate the balance shaft delete.

11.2 Balanced and Blueprinted Engines
Engines may be balanced and/or blueprinted. Lightning of parts beyond what is necessary to balance is
prohibited. Only the minimum of material should be removed from any engine component during a rebuild
process.

**68 Touring Car** · 02-28-2008, 07:12 AM

I moved a copy of the technical Bulletins here so we could loose one more stickey.

Re: Technical Bulletin 2008
Technical Bulletin for RPMs for SVT Motors.

The RPM limits for the SVT Motors have been changed from 7,000 to 7,400 rpms.

NEW RULE for 11.20 RPM Limits
The following RPM limits shall apply:
• Duratec 2.3 6800 rpm
• Duratec 2.0 7200 rpm
• Zetec 2.0 7200 rpm
• SVT Zetec 7400 rpm
Any means of the driver adjusting either RPM limits and/or engine management software during a

Re: Technical Bulletin 2008
Ted7rns

Clarifications to rule 6.1.2 Engine/Transmission.

I have received an email and also replayed to a post in the NASA forums about Mazda Engines.

Currently under the 2008 Spec Focus Rules only Ford Duratec, Zetec, and SVT motors can be used. Mazda MZR 23 and MZR 20s are not allowed. Also Euro Duratec Motors and ECUs is not allowed as well.

Re: Technical Bulletin 2008
Ted7rns

In the rules where it states OEM, that means US Market OEM items. Not Euro OEM.

Re: Technical Bulletin 2008
Matt Marks

Theres a note in the rules (Section 6.1) which states that "all parts, unless otherwise noted, must be from US or Canadian models in mass production, and must be commonly available." So I think you have this covered.
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12-13-2007, 02:02 PM	#52
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 4,202	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules ^^^ Nope because we will add back our Hp-to-Weight Ratio. The only reason we dropped it was we didn’t think it was necessary at this time. __________________ NASA Spec Focus Series Director \| NASA HPDE Instructor 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue <23> NASA is dedicated to aspiring or accomplished Focus racers and track enthusiast.

12-13-2007, 08:23 PM	#53
68 Touring Car Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Motor City Posts: 1,181	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules As far as I know none of the car that ran the Nationals had blueprinted engines? Ted do you know some thing the rest of us should know? Chris's SVT made very good power and he still can put a tune on it. __________________ Leo NASA Spec Focus Series Director www.capaldiracing.com "Quitters Never Win"

12-13-2007, 08:28 PM	#54
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 4,202	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules As far as what? I got those numbers from you or Ford If it’s something else… well psssssss it’s a secret. __________________ NASA Spec Focus Series Director \| NASA HPDE Instructor 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue <23> NASA is dedicated to aspiring or accomplished Focus racers and track enthusiast. Last edited by Ted7rns : 12-13-2007 at 08:48 PM.

12-15-2007, 05:46 PM	#55
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 237	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules Please also remember that the series is still very young, so changes to formula used for power - whether RPM limits, HP/TQ/WT, etc - are bound to change. Part of the factor is that it's not easy to tell who can get what power out of which motor within the scope of the rules. If racer's start to build (for example - SVT guys stay chilled) blueprinted SVT motors that consistently make 170, then they will have moved the benchmark for what that motor is evaluated on - and therefore other factors will be adjusted to compensate. i.e the assumption would then be that all SVT motors are capable of 170. For example - the 2.3's proved to be the fastest in 2007, so they were reined in for 2008 by increased weight and limiting R/P to 3.82. Also, - if someone is making far too much power, NASA has the right to claim the motor if they so choose. __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

12-15-2007, 11:01 PM	#56
jezwald101 TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Westland,MI Posts: 166	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules but you also increased weight of the zetec engine which never won a race....jesse

12-16-2007, 09:01 PM	#58
jezwald101 TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Westland,MI Posts: 166	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules dont understand,it made it harder for the sedans to get down to 2575lbs????

12-16-2007, 09:15 PM	#59
brads03zx3 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: California Posts: 9,069	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules 2575 was the previous minimum weight. It was too difficult for the sedans to get to that weight, so they raised the minimum weight for all cars up to 2600. Because they felt the 2.3 had an advantage, they raised the weight of those cars even higher. __________________ Mountain Tested----'03 zetec DuraMonster---'03 duratec ZX3 vs MNTN - 9/0 & ZX3 vs TRACK - 4/1 *JCM Racing #88* Bouncing Back---Bigger, Faster, Stronger Vacuum Vulture Racing - We put the ARG in 'CHARGED

12-16-2007, 09:20 PM	#60
jezwald101 TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Westland,MI Posts: 166	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules too difficult to get to the weight???????

12-17-2007, 08:11 AM	#61
Matt Marks TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 237	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules Believe me - it is not easy to get the sedans to that weight __________________ 2007 NASA Mid-Atlantic Spec Focus Champion (Undefeated in a class of 1) 2007 Spec Focus National Championship - 4th place 2006 NASA Mid-Atlantic 944 Supercup - Champion

01-10-2008, 10:25 PM	#62
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 195	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules Hey guys I was looking over the rules but didn't see anything on Battery relocation? Is it legal?

01-11-2008, 10:03 AM	#64
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 195	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules Is there anywhere that I can follow a guide line to what meet tech inspection? I know in some places you need to vent the battery box to the outside of the car. I just want to get that right if I decide on doing so. Also what about mounting it. I would probably go with a battery box that would be strapped down to the car but I haven't look to deep into this.

01-11-2008, 11:22 AM	#65
CCapaldi Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, MI Posts: 74	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules We've used the Moroso sealed box in the past. http://www.rpmoutlet.com/musv6batt.htm __________________ 2007 & 2008 Spec Focus National Champion

01-11-2008, 12:33 PM	#66
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 4,202	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules In NASA CCRs it states the following. 18.8 Battery The battery shall be securely fastened down to the car. No Bungee cords or rubber cords may be used to function as the sole hold down mechanism. An electrically nonconductive material must cover the positive battery terminal. Any battery located inside the driver’s compartment shall be fully covered and firmly secured to the chassis in a marine type battery case. True dry cell batteries may be mounted without a surrounding case, however a case is still recommended. Note- there is a difference between “dry cells” and “gel cells.” Gel cells still need to be mounted in a case. __________________ NASA Spec Focus Series Director \| NASA HPDE Instructor 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue <23> NASA is dedicated to aspiring or accomplished Focus racers and track enthusiast.

01-11-2008, 04:20 PM	#67
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 195	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules OPtima Red top is that dry (I believe it is...)

02-06-2008, 10:02 PM	#69
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 195	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules Hey guys sorry for asking so much but is there any rule that would not permit a balance shaft delete on 2.3L duratec? I really wouldn't know under what that would fall because I don't think it is part of flywheel but then again there probably is a rule not permitting me to do so.

02-07-2008, 12:31 PM	#70
InFocusTraSTi TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 195	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules To answer my own question I gues this rule would eliminate the balance shaft delete. 11.2 Balanced and Blueprinted Engines Engines may be balanced and/or blueprinted. Lightning of parts beyond what is necessary to balance is prohibited. Only the minimum of material should be removed from any engine component during a rebuild process.

02-28-2008, 07:12 AM	#71
68 Touring Car Premier Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Motor City Posts: 1,181	Re: 2008 Spec Focus Rules and Technical Bulletins I moved a copy of the technical Bulletins here so we could loose one more stickey. Re: Technical Bulletin 2008 Technical Bulletin for RPMs for SVT Motors. The RPM limits for the SVT Motors have been changed from 7,000 to 7,400 rpms. NEW RULE for 11.20 RPM Limits The following RPM limits shall apply: • Duratec 2.3 6800 rpm • Duratec 2.0 7200 rpm • Zetec 2.0 7200 rpm • SVT Zetec 7400 rpm Any means of the driver adjusting either RPM limits and/or engine management software during a Re: Technical Bulletin 2008 Ted7rns Clarifications to rule 6.1.2 Engine/Transmission. I have received an email and also replayed to a post in the NASA forums about Mazda Engines. Currently under the 2008 Spec Focus Rules only Ford Duratec, Zetec, and SVT motors can be used. Mazda MZR 23 and MZR 20s are not allowed. Also Euro Duratec Motors and ECUs is not allowed as well. Re: Technical Bulletin 2008 Ted7rns In the rules where it states OEM, that means US Market OEM items. Not Euro OEM. Re: Technical Bulletin 2008 Matt Marks Theres a note in the rules (Section 6.1) which states that "all parts, unless otherwise noted, must be from US or Canadian models in mass production, and must be commonly available." So I think you have this covered. __________________ __________________ Leo NASA Spec Focus Series Director www.capaldiracing.com "Quitters Never Win"

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