Zetec power question - The Ford Focus Forum

**JimmySolo2** · 03-16-2009, 11:37 PM

Anyone have any idea how much power I am missing by not having the FRPP Head and Stage 3 cams? I wonder if it is cheaper to sell my bolt on's and try to find a stock 2.3 Duratec + ECU.

I don't know if the the tranny and axles and whatnot are the same or not. I assume they are since they were both in the 2003 + 2004 cars.

**BUR_ZX3** · 03-16-2009, 11:48 PM

tranny, the guts are, but the bell housing is different. Axles, thats a good question.... as Ford has recently updated the parts.... a 2.3 Swap is not an easy task.... be prepared for a wiring harness nightmare. If you find a wreck, it'd be cheaper, most definately... but the hastle is large.

How much power are you missing? A lot. Probably 15-20 depending on how you tune.

**Ted7rns** · 03-17-2009, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmySolo2

Anyone have any idea how much power I am missing by not having the FRPP Head and Stage 3 cams? I wonder if it is cheaper to sell my bolt on's and try to find a stock 2.3 Duratec + ECU.

I don't know if the the tranny and axles and whatnot are the same or not. I assume they are since they were both in the 2003 + 2004 cars.

You're missing alot... Maybe as much as 40 to 50whp. You're better off getting FRPP head and Stage 3 cams and Intake Manifold then changing the engine to a 2.3L and then nightmare of making it work. A Zetec should get around 165-170whp.

**ghostrider86** · 03-17-2009, 10:09 AM

The axles from the trans are the same i believe. (auto trans different)

**BadIdea** · 03-17-2009, 01:28 PM

How am I supposed to get 165-170 whp out of my svt motor?

**Ted7rns** · 03-17-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BadIdea

How am I supposed to get 165-170 whp out of my svt motor?

Are you having a hard time getting 160 to 165 out of your SVT motor?

**BadIdea** · 03-17-2009, 04:15 PM

Well, I've never had it on a dyno, but stock it should be 140 or so. I wouldn't think an exhaust and tune would get me up there.

**BlkThunder** · 03-17-2009, 04:31 PM

Dunno if this is spec legal but,

zx3 head gasket for upped compression
adjustable exhaust cam (w/tune)
ORP
2.5" exhaust
high flow filter
port work on the exhaust side... idk how much else it would take.

**BUR_ZX3** · 03-17-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BadIdea

Well, I've never had it on a dyno, but stock it should be 140 or so. I wouldn't think an exhaust and tune would get me up there.

Stock is like ~152, from what I remember seeing @ Dyno Days...

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Originally Posted by BlkThunder

Dunno if this is spec legal but,

zx3 head gasket for upped compression
adjustable exhaust cam (w/tune)
ORP
2.5" exhaust
high flow filter
port work on the exhaust side... idk how much else it would take.

Technically, the gasket to increase compression is not legal. Rules specify that the compression may not exceed a certain point to allow for cleaning up the head.

**Ted7rns** · 03-17-2009, 05:14 PM

You should have around 150whp. Then if you add CAI, Headers, Remove the Cat, Exhaust, Remove the A/C, change underpully, and Tune... You should be over 160whp.

**ckisner** · 03-18-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmySolo2

Anyone have any idea how much power I am missing by not having the FRPP Head and Stage 3 cams? I wonder if it is cheaper to sell my bolt on's and try to find a stock 2.3 Duratec + ECU.

I don't know if the the tranny and axles and whatnot are the same or not. I assume they are since they were both in the 2003 + 2004 cars.

sell your car and buy matt's car!

**Ted7rns** · 03-18-2009, 05:33 PM

That would be the best plan.... If I had the money I would buy his car in a heartbeat.

**JimmySolo2** · 03-18-2009, 11:20 PM

Oy vey.

It seems the closer I get to racing Spec Focus, the farther away I get.

**BUR_ZX3** · 03-19-2009, 12:42 AM

been there done that got the t-shirt and used it as a rag

**JimmySolo2** · 06-29-2009, 06:49 PM

How about the cams in a stock head? Will that give me most of the power I am missing?

**sleeperlove** · 06-29-2009, 07:03 PM

You are gonna have to get every allowable mod, a solid/agressive tune, and the allowed 1/2 point compression bump to get near the power you need. Even after that you will still be way down on torque to the 2.3 cars.

**JimmySolo2** · 07-01-2009, 12:55 AM

I'd rather race slow than sit fast. Right now I am on track with vettes and porsches.

**SVTBuckeye** · 07-02-2009, 02:30 PM

Jimmy
come out and race with us, work on the power issues as you can. License is available at Mid Ohio next week on Friday before the races Sat and Sun, just pay the money to MO School.

You have to have a physical, pay $60, pass the open book test on the CCR, and submit a resume of your HPDE 4 /TT experience to Dave Royce. Then hit the track!!

If you car is safe, you can race SF. Unless of course you have illegal mods, and then we will just disqualify you when you win.

**JimmySolo2** · 07-02-2009, 10:07 PM

I wish I could. I still need both window nets, battery kill, blah blah blah. HANS, blah blah blah.

**SVTBuckeye** · 07-03-2009, 09:08 AM

"Times a wastin"

IT's 2009, pretty soon you will be too old to race!.

**JimmySolo2** · 09-10-2009, 09:21 PM

We'll see what I'm going to do. I'm trying to get an estimate for bringing my Focus up to Spec.

**mzemnickas** · 09-11-2009, 07:02 AM

Just a thought, you might want to give Craig at Capaldi racing a call or PM him on the message board. He would probably be able to give you a pretty good estimate on what it would take to get your car track ready.

**JimmySolo2** · 09-26-2009, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzemnickas

Just a thought, you might want to give Craig at Capaldi racing a call or PM him on the message board. He would probably be able to give you a pretty good estimate on what it would take to get your car track ready.

I've tried that route.

03-16-2009, 11:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
JimmySolo2 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ross Twp[ N. Pittsburgh] Posts: 2,658	Zetec power question Anyone have any idea how much power I am missing by not having the FRPP Head and Stage 3 cams? I wonder if it is cheaper to sell my bolt on's and try to find a stock 2.3 Duratec + ECU. I don't know if the the tranny and axles and whatnot are the same or not. I assume they are since they were both in the 2003 + 2004 cars. __________________ .._____ .......<=2002 Ford Focus ZX3............ _______ /___l__\__ .......................................... . __/__\|__\|_ \| l(o)____(o)l 2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer =>l(o)_____(o)l

03-16-2009, 11:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
BUR_ZX3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Little Saint Clara, Isle of Queen Califia Posts: 36,454	Re: Zetec power question tranny, the guts are, but the bell housing is different. Axles, thats a good question.... as Ford has recently updated the parts.... a 2.3 Swap is not an easy task.... be prepared for a wiring harness nightmare. If you find a wreck, it'd be cheaper, most definately... but the hastle is large. How much power are you missing? A lot. Probably 15-20 depending on how you tune. __________________ Focus Challenge Director \| Redline Time Attack Host and Emcee \| Spec Focus Racer

03-17-2009, 10:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
ghostrider86 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 741	Re: Zetec power question The axles from the trans are the same i believe. (auto trans different) __________________ Jeff Racing for Jesus since 2003'! 03' ZX3 Beatbox -361k miles-(HStock funmachine) 03' ZTS Centennial Edition Kie Kie ~EAP's~(Pretty lil thing) 94' Maxima (for sale) 02' Aprila Mille (Sold)(Miss it already)

03-17-2009, 01:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
BadIdea Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cleveland Posts: 2,415	Re: Zetec power question How am I supposed to get 165-170 whp out of my svt motor? __________________ '02 svt spec focus silver/black PCA National DE Instructor #200503 107

03-17-2009, 04:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
BadIdea Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cleveland Posts: 2,415	Re: Zetec power question Well, I've never had it on a dyno, but stock it should be 140 or so. I wouldn't think an exhaust and tune would get me up there. __________________ '02 svt spec focus silver/black PCA National DE Instructor #200503 107

03-17-2009, 05:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 4,646	Re: Zetec power question You should have around 150whp. Then if you add CAI, Headers, Remove the Cat, Exhaust, Remove the A/C, change underpully, and Tune... You should be over 160whp. __________________ 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue

03-18-2009, 05:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ted7rns Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 4,646	Re: Zetec power question That would be the best plan.... If I had the money I would buy his car in a heartbeat. __________________ 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Malibu Blue

03-18-2009, 11:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
JimmySolo2 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ross Twp[ N. Pittsburgh] Posts: 2,658	Re: Zetec power question Oy vey. It seems the closer I get to racing Spec Focus, the farther away I get. __________________ .._____ .......<=2002 Ford Focus ZX3............ _______ /___l__\__ .......................................... . __/__\|__\|_ \| l(o)____(o)l 2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer =>l(o)_____(o)l

03-19-2009, 12:42 AM	#14 (permalink)
BUR_ZX3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Little Saint Clara, Isle of Queen Califia Posts: 36,454	Re: Zetec power question been there done that got the t-shirt and used it as a rag __________________ Focus Challenge Director \| Redline Time Attack Host and Emcee \| Spec Focus Racer

06-29-2009, 06:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
JimmySolo2 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ross Twp[ N. Pittsburgh] Posts: 2,658	Re: Zetec power question How about the cams in a stock head? Will that give me most of the power I am missing? __________________ .._____ .......<=2002 Ford Focus ZX3............ _______ /___l__\__ .......................................... . __/__\|__\|_ \| l(o)____(o)l 2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer =>l(o)_____(o)l

06-29-2009, 07:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Apex hunting Posts: 9,823	Re: Zetec power question You are gonna have to get every allowable mod, a solid/agressive tune, and the allowed 1/2 point compression bump to get near the power you need. Even after that you will still be way down on torque to the 2.3 cars. __________________ “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

07-01-2009, 12:55 AM	#17 (permalink)
JimmySolo2 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ross Twp[ N. Pittsburgh] Posts: 2,658	Re: Zetec power question I'd rather race slow than sit fast. Right now I am on track with vettes and porsches. __________________ .._____ .......<=2002 Ford Focus ZX3............ _______ /___l__\__ .......................................... . __/__\|__\|_ \| l(o)____(o)l 2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer =>l(o)_____(o)l

07-02-2009, 02:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
SVTBuckeye TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pataskala Ohio Posts: 792	Re: Zetec power question Jimmy come out and race with us, work on the power issues as you can. License is available at Mid Ohio next week on Friday before the races Sat and Sun, just pay the money to MO School. You have to have a physical, pay $60, pass the open book test on the CCR, and submit a resume of your HPDE 4 /TT experience to Dave Royce. Then hit the track!! If you car is safe, you can race SF. Unless of course you have illegal mods, and then we will just disqualify you when you win. __________________ LEM 2007,2008, 2009 NASA Spec Focus racer w/ LCR racing 2002 SVT, Sonic Blue, NO options, vehicle 896 of 4788 Held at the factory Apr-June 02

07-02-2009, 10:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
JimmySolo2 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ross Twp[ N. Pittsburgh] Posts: 2,658	Re: Zetec power question I wish I could. I still need both window nets, battery kill, blah blah blah. HANS, blah blah blah. __________________ .._____ .......<=2002 Ford Focus ZX3............ _______ /___l__\__ .......................................... . __/__\|__\|_ \| l(o)____(o)l 2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer =>l(o)_____(o)l

07-03-2009, 09:08 AM	#20 (permalink)
SVTBuckeye TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pataskala Ohio Posts: 792	Re: Zetec power question "Times a wastin" IT's 2009, pretty soon you will be too old to race!. __________________ LEM 2007,2008, 2009 NASA Spec Focus racer w/ LCR racing 2002 SVT, Sonic Blue, NO options, vehicle 896 of 4788 Held at the factory Apr-June 02

09-10-2009, 09:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
JimmySolo2 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ross Twp[ N. Pittsburgh] Posts: 2,658	Re: Zetec power question We'll see what I'm going to do. I'm trying to get an estimate for bringing my Focus up to Spec. __________________ .._____ .......<=2002 Ford Focus ZX3............ _______ /___l__\__ .......................................... . __/__\|__\|_ \| l(o)____(o)l 2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer =>l(o)_____(o)l

09-11-2009, 07:02 AM	#22 (permalink)
mzemnickas Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Farmington Hills, MI Posts: 25	Re: Zetec power question Just a thought, you might want to give Craig at Capaldi racing a call or PM him on the message board. He would probably be able to give you a pretty good estimate on what it would take to get your car track ready.

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