Poor Little SUBARU - Focaljet

**Cajun** · 04-08-2001, 05:30 PM

Friend at work just bought a new S/C intercooled hot rod Subaru. We just returned from the SCCA, slalom runs here in Lake Charles. My little ol' stock suspension, S/C ZX3 could only run times of 1:00.367 on this course. Then here comes the hot rod Subaru, his best run on the same course was 1:01.789.
Maybe with a little suspension work, I coud really embaress him. This is the first SCCA course that this car has ever been on. Damn, I bet he regrets spending that much money on a JapWagon, to get out handled by a poor little ol' Ford economy car. This gets to be more and more fun everyday.
Still Laughing
DT

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**Ducman69** · 04-08-2001, 06:40 PM

Awesome Cajun!

I always want to really put my 2.5 RS scooby neighbor in his place, but haven't had the opportunity yet.

Moving this over to the Focus Motorsport forum though if you don't mind.

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**atmzx3** · 04-08-2001, 08:23 PM

last year, a 2.5rs beat me by .9 sec on an autocross course. and my car was completely stock, and it's an auto.

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**greenkonafocus** · 04-08-2001, 11:56 PM

At my last event I beat 4 or 5 of them. Not only is my car stock, it was raining outside!

So much for the beauty of all wheel drive!

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**ZXmurph** · 04-09-2001, 12:38 AM

Now I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble- but its the nature of Solo racing to be the great "equalizer". Part of the fun is being able to pat yourself on the back when your low-dollar ride(in my case 'maybe' 4 digit GTI) "squeaks" by something fast and expensive.

It is a nice reminder that the driver is the most important "mod" we have available to work on. I also get reminded occasionally that a talented , trained driver in a fast or faster car will kick my ass into another county................

so I don't go baggin' on the Corvettes, Vipers,RX-7's, Mustangs, Camaros,NSX's, Type-R's, Porsches, and yes Subarus I have beaten on a Solo course.....because most of the time I would wisely trade cars with them in a second....

its all about having fun and getting faster in WHATEVER your runnin'........

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Hows about more go, less show.......
2001 pitch black ZX3 "special order"- no power- Premium Grp + Advance-Trac
1984 VW GTI 2.0 16v "Street Mod" Auto-Xer 1900lbs/155hp- (refereed and certified C.A.R.B. swap)
1979 VW RABBIT Diesel "S.U.V." 45mpg Surfmobile- wipe your feet after getting OUT-(C.A.R.B.'s evil smoking nemesis)

**arskiker** · 04-09-2001, 01:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ZXmurph:
Now I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble- but its the nature of Solo racing to be the great "equalizer". Part of the fun is being able to pat yourself on the back when your low-dollar ride(in my case 'maybe' 4 digit GTI) "squeaks" by something fast and expensive.

It is a nice reminder that the driver is the most important "mod" we have available to work on. I also get reminded occasionally that a talented , trained driver in a fast or faster car will kick my ass into another county................

so I don't go baggin' on the Corvettes, Vipers,RX-7's, Mustangs, Camaros,NSX's, Type-R's, Porsches, and yes Subarus I have beaten on a Solo course.....because most of the time I would wisely trade cars with them in a second....

its all about having fun and getting faster in WHATEVER your runnin'........

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...I think that was the point of this topic?...

**ZXmurph** · 04-09-2001, 11:01 AM

Sorry........it sounded a little like Sooby bashing to me......

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Hows about more go, less show.......
2001 pitch black ZX3 "special order"- no power- Premium Grp + Advance-Trac
1984 VW GTI 2.0 16v "Street Mod" Auto-Xer 1900lbs/155hp- (refereed and certified C.A.R.B. swap)
1979 VW RABBIT Diesel "S.U.V." 45mpg Surfmobile- wipe your feet after getting OUT-(C.A.R.B.'s evil smoking nemesis)

**faraz** · 04-09-2001, 01:29 PM

cajun...considering Subar doesn't make a S/C car, I'd have to wonder if any
part of your story is the truth.
greenkonafocus can you post a link to the times? I can post the link in my
region which shows not one of the 9 impreza's in my region posted a slower
time than ANY focus even after being PAX adjusted.

If we don't want to just argue regions check the SCCA website and see who
dominates the STS class more the focus or the impreza? Hey for the extra 7k
the car better beat a econobox

**P-51** · 04-09-2001, 03:55 PM

Look Nutwad, this ain't the Club SI SIvs.ALL forum.

Nobody here ever said that all Foci are faster than all Scubbies.

We aren't ego maniacs looking to pump up our egos based on our cars.

Did you ever consider the posibility that when he said "bought a new..." meant he bought a used scubbie that somebody else supercharged?

I've seen a Geo metro turn a better time than a Diablo. THAT is the point of the story, not trying to say that all Foci are better than all 2.5RS's.

**Cajun** · 04-09-2001, 04:33 PM

Faraz: You really need to update your data. The car I refer to is a 2001 Subaru WRX. And yes, it is Supercharged from the factory.
Later
DT

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**P-51** · 04-09-2001, 04:42 PM

Cajun... it's turbo charged.

**Cajun** · 04-09-2001, 04:43 PM

Faraz: Please excuse my mistake, you are absoloutely correct, it is not supercharged, it is turbochaged. Boast 227 hp, against a poor little 4 banger economy car,,, get a grip!
Later
DT

**faraz** · 04-09-2001, 04:48 PM

p-51 I was talking about greenkonafocus post. I would REALLY like to see the link to his regions times, because they just don't add up with anywhere else and at the national level.
I can't find a line in my post where I talk about speed? I talked about auto-x times. which are not based just on speed.
Its the 2002 WRX there isn't a 2001
ah turbo charged and S/C are pretty damn different in my book. I just wanted to help you update your data.

**Myxalplyx** · 04-09-2001, 04:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Cajun:
Faraz: Please excuse my mistake, you are absoloutely correct, it is not supercharged, it is turbochaged. Boast 227 hp, against a poor little 4 banger economy car,,, get a grip!
Later
DT<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Congrats Cajun! I was calling your bluff to and had this long post to put about any supercharged 2.5RSs right before your post. Must feel good to whoop up on a WRX. Good job!

To P-51, no need for name calling "Nutwad". You was taking it to the Clubsi format by the name calling. Faraz was only saying that the story seemed a little far fetched and was plain not true, which it wasn't as far as the supercharged/intercooled subaru goes. Cajun just made a mistake, that's all.

BTW: I have a 1997 2.2ltr Subaru Impreza Outback Sport Wagon *Automatic* that ran 18.2s-18.3's when it was stock. I know the feeling of being an underdog and whooping up on the big boys (Domestics), especially at their own game *Straight line*.

Congrats again Cajun!

BTW: I can't wait to see an SVT Focus in action. L8Rs

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**Myxalplyx** · 04-09-2001, 05:02 PM

BTW: The event you ran in, do they post the times at a website? I was searching and found the TRANS LOUISIANA AUTOCROSS CHALLENGE website but it seems they haven't gotten started yet. (http://www.delta-scca.org/tlac.htm). Thanks for any and all info. L8Rs

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AWD + Autotranny = *SLOW*

**Ducman69** · 04-09-2001, 09:34 PM

I'll leave the legitimizing up to you guys.

Apparently, even getting rid of street racing isn't enough as its true that people can make up lap times. But its usually a different crowd that partakes in these discussions.

Maybe its one of those, 'you'd have to see it to believe it' things, but it didn't sound overly far fetched. I can imagine how good it feels to really surprise people though! I'm hoping to achieve this with a more or less stock looking ZX3 that also happens to be turboed with lots of suspension work (unfortunetly bumping me up to higher competition in autocross though).
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I've seen a Geo metro turn a better time than a Diablo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, I read about that one too. It was big all over the net. I believe the Diablo had spun out...waited for a while...got back into place and slowly completed the course. That's why he finished dead last. I wish I could find the pictures of the Diablo by the time marker though.

**Ducman69** · 04-10-2001, 12:37 AM

What scooby bashing?

"Arr..woof...Focus fast!"
"Don't worry Scooby, its only an economy car. Maybe its haunted by a ghost like that car in the movie 'The Love Bug' with Herbie."
"Scooby dooby doo!"

Ok...guess I should stop now huh?

Granted the driver is a huuuge factor ('mr. vtec' as he is called around here borrowed a modified F-150 with scorpions and actually whooped up on most people's times!), but its still fun to brag that you kicked some other cars butt (especially if its a Impreza since they have achieved a super-performance holy status here on the Jet for some reason).

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**arskiker** · 04-10-2001, 01:05 AM

Technically Cajun is right, a turbo is a supercharger.

**Cajun** · 04-10-2001, 08:26 AM

I doubt that the local club would post their times anywhere. This club sets up about 2 week-ends a month locally. This is the first that I have participated in, kinda fun. Seems like the track this past Sunday was not a horsepower track, all the muscle cars had problems with it. A close friend has a Mustang GT that we dynoed at 420 rear wheel hp, he ran 101.???I would have thought that the All-Wheel drive Subie would have done a bit better. Some folks just take this game way too seriously. I really didn't think that we had Closet Subaru Defenders hiding out here. Didn't intend to hurt anyone's feelings, just blowing my own horn a bit.
Later
DT

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**eric** · 04-10-2001, 11:42 AM

if i remember correctly, the geo vs diablo you are talking about, is on: www.riceboypage.com i think the diablo owner is just a bad driver, and his parents purchased the car for him or something.

**P-51** · 04-10-2001, 11:42 AM

Myxalphyx:

I was taking it to the level of CSi becuase, this guy disputing somebody's results is the level of CSi. And I'm pretty darn sure the guy CAME from CSi since a link was posted over there about this thread.

**Cajun** · 04-10-2001, 02:17 PM

Man, ain't America great???? We can all agree to disagree and still be friends. And no, it ain't group hug time. Glad you straightened me out on the Subie being T/C instead of S/C. I also cruise several sites, some I provide the Automotive Electronic Help, some I just cruise to learn. I just expected much more from this Subaru, the guy that owns it was claiming it to be the ULTIMATE, rally, road race, all-wheel drive dynamo. Sometimes we get fooled by all the frill and shiny paint.
Later
DT

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Jackson Racing Supercharger
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**Ducman69** · 04-10-2001, 04:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Technically Cajun is right, a turbo is a supercharger. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nope...a supercharger or mechanical charging by definition is powered by the crank. A turbocharger is not. Therefor a turbocharger is not a supercharger!

I think it was just an accident calling it SC.

**ZXmurph** · 04-10-2001, 04:26 PM

Oh let's just beat semantics to death but actually Ducman- waaaaaaaaay back in the day the "supercharging" term simply referred to the fact that forced induction was taking place- it happened to be mechanical.

When an exhaust driven method was developed it was indeed first called "turbosupercharged"- first widely by Messerschmidt aircraft I believe. (altitude plus Germann engineering does wonders for development)
so all forced induction is technically "supercharging" by the original use of the term.
as you note though-
Modern use has evolved "turbocharger" to always describe an exhaust driven compressor and "supercharger" to describe a mechanically driven compressor.

so everyone is right!!!
come on CAJUN how about that group hug!!!

I'll shut the hell up and get to work now.....

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Hows about more go, less show.......
2001 pitch black ZX3 "special order"- no power- Premium Grp + Advance-Trac
1984 VW GTI 2.0 16v "Street Mod" Auto-Xer 1900lbs/155hp- (refereed and certified C.A.R.B. swap)
1979 VW RABBIT Diesel "S.U.V." 45mpg Surfmobile- wipe your feet after getting OUT-(C.A.R.B.'s evil smoking nemesis)

**arskiker** · 04-10-2001, 05:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ZXmurph:
Oh let's just beat semantics to death but actually Ducman- waaaaaaaaay back in the day the "supercharging" term simply referred to the fact that forced induction was taking place, it happened to be mechanical...

...so all forced induction is technically "supercharging" by the original use of the term....

...so everyone is right!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

playing is fun

04-08-2001, 05:30 PM	#1
Cajun TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lake Charles, La., USA Posts: 831	Poor Little SUBARU Friend at work just bought a new S/C intercooled hot rod Subaru. We just returned from the SCCA, slalom runs here in Lake Charles. My little ol' stock suspension, S/C ZX3 could only run times of 1:00.367 on this course. Then here comes the hot rod Subaru, his best run on the same course was 1:01.789. Maybe with a little suspension work, I coud really embaress him. This is the first SCCA course that this car has ever been on. Damn, I bet he regrets spending that much money on a JapWagon, to get out handled by a poor little ol' Ford economy car. This gets to be more and more fun everyday. Still Laughing DT ------------------ 00 ZX3 JBA Headers FocusSport Exhaust Jackson Racing Supercharger DiabloSport Chipped Kinda Quick

04-08-2001, 06:40 PM	#2
Ducman69 HUGE member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,896	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Awesome Cajun! I always want to really put my 2.5 RS scooby neighbor in his place, but haven't had the opportunity yet. Moving this over to the Focus Motorsport forum though if you don't mind. ------------------ 00 Ford ZX3 / 96 Ford Cobra 90 Yam FJ1200/ 85 Yam RZ350 / 84 Yam RZ350 Engine Forum Moderator -Chris-

04-08-2001, 08:23 PM	#3
atmzx3 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: (Matt) Tyler, TX Posts: 2,315	Re: Poor Little SUBARU last year, a 2.5rs beat me by .9 sec on an autocross course. and my car was completely stock, and it's an auto. ------------------ I love Hondas..... when they're on fire. 17"Rage5.0 - YokoParadas - AemShortRam - FSstressbar - FSwires - PowerStopRotors - EBCpads - ClearCorners - EuroGrilles

04-08-2001, 11:56 PM	#4
greenkonafocus Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	Re: Poor Little SUBARU At my last event I beat 4 or 5 of them. Not only is my car stock, it was raining outside! So much for the beauty of all wheel drive! ------------------ "Only little boys wear bowties."

04-09-2001, 12:38 AM	#5
ZXmurph Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: where to surf in Rochester NY?? Posts: 3,905	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Now I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble- but its the nature of Solo racing to be the great "equalizer". Part of the fun is being able to pat yourself on the back when your low-dollar ride(in my case 'maybe' 4 digit GTI) "squeaks" by something fast and expensive. It is a nice reminder that the driver is the most important "mod" we have available to work on. I also get reminded occasionally that a talented , trained driver in a fast or faster car will kick my ass into another county................ so I don't go baggin' on the Corvettes, Vipers,RX-7's, Mustangs, Camaros,NSX's, Type-R's, Porsches, and yes Subarus I have beaten on a Solo course.....because most of the time I would wisely trade cars with them in a second.... its all about having fun and getting faster in WHATEVER your runnin'........ ------------------ Hows about more go, less show....... 2001 pitch black ZX3 "special order"- no power- Premium Grp + Advance-Trac 1984 VW GTI 2.0 16v "Street Mod" Auto-Xer 1900lbs/155hp- (refereed and certified C.A.R.B. swap) 1979 VW RABBIT Diesel "S.U.V." 45mpg Surfmobile- wipe your feet after getting OUT-(C.A.R.B.'s evil smoking nemesis)

04-09-2001, 01:08 AM	#6
arskiker Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Concord, NC (from Ottawa, ON) Posts: 3,234	Re: Poor Little SUBARU <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZXmurph: Now I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble- but its the nature of Solo racing to be the great "equalizer". Part of the fun is being able to pat yourself on the back when your low-dollar ride(in my case 'maybe' 4 digit GTI) "squeaks" by something fast and expensive. It is a nice reminder that the driver is the most important "mod" we have available to work on. I also get reminded occasionally that a talented , trained driver in a fast or faster car will kick my ass into another county................ so I don't go baggin' on the Corvettes, Vipers,RX-7's, Mustangs, Camaros,NSX's, Type-R's, Porsches, and yes Subarus I have beaten on a Solo course.....because most of the time I would wisely trade cars with them in a second.... its all about having fun and getting faster in WHATEVER your runnin'........ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ...I think that was the point of this topic?...

04-09-2001, 11:01 AM	#7
ZXmurph Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: where to surf in Rochester NY?? Posts: 3,905	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Sorry........it sounded a little like Sooby bashing to me...... ------------------ Hows about more go, less show....... 2001 pitch black ZX3 "special order"- no power- Premium Grp + Advance-Trac 1984 VW GTI 2.0 16v "Street Mod" Auto-Xer 1900lbs/155hp- (refereed and certified C.A.R.B. swap) 1979 VW RABBIT Diesel "S.U.V." 45mpg Surfmobile- wipe your feet after getting OUT-(C.A.R.B.'s evil smoking nemesis)

04-09-2001, 01:29 PM	#8
faraz Newbie Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 4	Re: Poor Little SUBARU cajun...considering Subar doesn't make a S/C car, I'd have to wonder if any part of your story is the truth. greenkonafocus can you post a link to the times? I can post the link in my region which shows not one of the 9 impreza's in my region posted a slower time than ANY focus even after being PAX adjusted. If we don't want to just argue regions check the SCCA website and see who dominates the STS class more the focus or the impreza? Hey for the extra 7k the car better beat a econobox

04-09-2001, 03:55 PM	#9
P-51 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brighton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,015	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Look Nutwad, this ain't the Club SI SIvs.ALL forum. Nobody here ever said that all Foci are faster than all Scubbies. We aren't ego maniacs looking to pump up our egos based on our cars. Did you ever consider the posibility that when he said "bought a new..." meant he bought a used scubbie that somebody else supercharged? I've seen a Geo metro turn a better time than a Diablo. THAT is the point of the story, not trying to say that all Foci are better than all 2.5RS's.

04-09-2001, 04:33 PM	#10
Cajun TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lake Charles, La., USA Posts: 831	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Faraz: You really need to update your data. The car I refer to is a 2001 Subaru WRX. And yes, it is Supercharged from the factory. Later DT ------------------ 00 ZX3 JBA Headers FocusSport Exhaust Jackson Racing Supercharger DiabloSport Chipped Kinda Quick

04-09-2001, 04:42 PM	#11
P-51 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brighton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,015	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Cajun... it's turbo charged.

04-09-2001, 04:43 PM	#12
Cajun TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lake Charles, La., USA Posts: 831	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Faraz: Please excuse my mistake, you are absoloutely correct, it is not supercharged, it is turbochaged. Boast 227 hp, against a poor little 4 banger economy car,,, get a grip! Later DT

04-09-2001, 04:48 PM	#13
faraz Newbie Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 4	Re: Poor Little SUBARU p-51 I was talking about greenkonafocus post. I would REALLY like to see the link to his regions times, because they just don't add up with anywhere else and at the national level. I can't find a line in my post where I talk about speed? I talked about auto-x times. which are not based just on speed. Its the 2002 WRX there isn't a 2001 ah turbo charged and S/C are pretty damn different in my book. I just wanted to help you update your data.

04-09-2001, 04:49 PM	#14
Myxalplyx Rookie Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Wilmington Posts: 7	Re: Poor Little SUBARU <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun: Faraz: Please excuse my mistake, you are absoloutely correct, it is not supercharged, it is turbochaged. Boast 227 hp, against a poor little 4 banger economy car,,, get a grip! Later DT<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Congrats Cajun! I was calling your bluff to and had this long post to put about any supercharged 2.5RSs right before your post. Must feel good to whoop up on a WRX. Good job! To P-51, no need for name calling "Nutwad". You was taking it to the Clubsi format by the name calling. Faraz was only saying that the story seemed a little far fetched and was plain not true, which it wasn't as far as the supercharged/intercooled subaru goes. Cajun just made a mistake, that's all. BTW: I have a 1997 2.2ltr Subaru Impreza Outback Sport Wagon Automatic that ran 18.2s-18.3's when it was stock. I know the feeling of being an underdog and whooping up on the big boys (Domestics), especially at their own game Straight line. Congrats again Cajun! BTW: I can't wait to see an SVT Focus in action. L8Rs ------------------ AWD + Autotranny = SLOW [This message has been edited by Myxalplyx (edited 04-09-2001).]

04-09-2001, 05:02 PM	#15
Myxalplyx Rookie Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Wilmington Posts: 7	Re: Poor Little SUBARU BTW: The event you ran in, do they post the times at a website? I was searching and found the TRANS LOUISIANA AUTOCROSS CHALLENGE website but it seems they haven't gotten started yet. (http://www.delta-scca.org/tlac.htm). Thanks for any and all info. L8Rs ------------------ AWD + Autotranny = SLOW

04-09-2001, 09:34 PM	#16
Ducman69 HUGE member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,896	Re: Poor Little SUBARU I'll leave the legitimizing up to you guys. Apparently, even getting rid of street racing isn't enough as its true that people can make up lap times. But its usually a different crowd that partakes in these discussions. Maybe its one of those, 'you'd have to see it to believe it' things, but it didn't sound overly far fetched. I can imagine how good it feels to really surprise people though! I'm hoping to achieve this with a more or less stock looking ZX3 that also happens to be turboed with lots of suspension work (unfortunetly bumping me up to higher competition in autocross though). <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I've seen a Geo metro turn a better time than a Diablo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, I read about that one too. It was big all over the net. I believe the Diablo had spun out...waited for a while...got back into place and slowly completed the course. That's why he finished dead last. I wish I could find the pictures of the Diablo by the time marker though.

04-10-2001, 12:37 AM	#17
Ducman69 HUGE member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,896	Re: Poor Little SUBARU What scooby bashing? "Arr..woof...Focus fast!" "Don't worry Scooby, its only an economy car. Maybe its haunted by a ghost like that car in the movie 'The Love Bug' with Herbie." "Scooby dooby doo!" Ok...guess I should stop now huh? Granted the driver is a huuuge factor ('mr. vtec' as he is called around here borrowed a modified F-150 with scorpions and actually whooped up on most people's times!), but its still fun to brag that you kicked some other cars butt (especially if its a Impreza since they have achieved a super-performance holy status here on the Jet for some reason). ------------------ 00 Ford ZX3 / 96 Ford Cobra 90 Yam FJ1200/ 85 Yam RZ350 / 84 Yam RZ350 Engine Forum Moderator -Chris-

04-10-2001, 01:05 AM	#18
arskiker Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Concord, NC (from Ottawa, ON) Posts: 3,234	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Technically Cajun is right, a turbo is a supercharger.

04-10-2001, 08:26 AM	#19
Cajun TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lake Charles, La., USA Posts: 831	Re: Poor Little SUBARU I doubt that the local club would post their times anywhere. This club sets up about 2 week-ends a month locally. This is the first that I have participated in, kinda fun. Seems like the track this past Sunday was not a horsepower track, all the muscle cars had problems with it. A close friend has a Mustang GT that we dynoed at 420 rear wheel hp, he ran 101.???I would have thought that the All-Wheel drive Subie would have done a bit better. Some folks just take this game way too seriously. I really didn't think that we had Closet Subaru Defenders hiding out here. Didn't intend to hurt anyone's feelings, just blowing my own horn a bit. Later DT ------------------ 00 ZX3 JBA Headers FocusSport Exhaust Jackson Racing Supercharger DiabloSport Chipped Kinda Quick

04-10-2001, 11:42 AM	#20
eric Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: farmington nh Posts: 2,519	Re: Poor Little SUBARU if i remember correctly, the geo vs diablo you are talking about, is on: www.riceboypage.com i think the diablo owner is just a bad driver, and his parents purchased the car for him or something.

04-10-2001, 11:42 AM	#21
P-51 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brighton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,015	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Myxalphyx: I was taking it to the level of CSi becuase, this guy disputing somebody's results is the level of CSi. And I'm pretty darn sure the guy CAME from CSi since a link was posted over there about this thread.

04-10-2001, 02:17 PM	#22
Cajun TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lake Charles, La., USA Posts: 831	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Man, ain't America great???? We can all agree to disagree and still be friends. And no, it ain't group hug time. Glad you straightened me out on the Subie being T/C instead of S/C. I also cruise several sites, some I provide the Automotive Electronic Help, some I just cruise to learn. I just expected much more from this Subaru, the guy that owns it was claiming it to be the ULTIMATE, rally, road race, all-wheel drive dynamo. Sometimes we get fooled by all the frill and shiny paint. Later DT ------------------ 00 ZX3 JBA Headers FocusSport Exhaust Jackson Racing Supercharger DiabloSport Chipped Kinda Quick

04-10-2001, 04:04 PM	#23
Ducman69 HUGE member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,896	Re: Poor Little SUBARU <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Technically Cajun is right, a turbo is a supercharger. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Nope...a supercharger or mechanical charging by definition is powered by the crank. A turbocharger is not. Therefor a turbocharger is not a supercharger! I think it was just an accident calling it SC.

04-10-2001, 04:26 PM	#24
ZXmurph Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: where to surf in Rochester NY?? Posts: 3,905	Re: Poor Little SUBARU Oh let's just beat semantics to death but actually Ducman- waaaaaaaaay back in the day the "supercharging" term simply referred to the fact that forced induction was taking place- it happened to be mechanical. When an exhaust driven method was developed it was indeed first called "turbosupercharged"- first widely by Messerschmidt aircraft I believe. (altitude plus Germann engineering does wonders for development) so all forced induction is technically "supercharging" by the original use of the term. as you note though- Modern use has evolved "turbocharger" to always describe an exhaust driven compressor and "supercharger" to describe a mechanically driven compressor. so everyone is right!!! come on CAJUN how about that group hug!!! I'll shut the hell up and get to work now..... ------------------ Hows about more go, less show....... 2001 pitch black ZX3 "special order"- no power- Premium Grp + Advance-Trac 1984 VW GTI 2.0 16v "Street Mod" Auto-Xer 1900lbs/155hp- (refereed and certified C.A.R.B. swap) 1979 VW RABBIT Diesel "S.U.V." 45mpg Surfmobile- wipe your feet after getting OUT-(C.A.R.B.'s evil smoking nemesis)

04-10-2001, 05:37 PM	#25
arskiker Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Concord, NC (from Ottawa, ON) Posts: 3,234	Re: Poor Little SUBARU <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZXmurph: Oh let's just beat semantics to death but actually Ducman- waaaaaaaaay back in the day the "supercharging" term simply referred to the fact that forced induction was taking place, it happened to be mechanical... ...so all forced induction is technically "supercharging" by the original use of the term.... ...so everyone is right!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> playing is fun

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