negative camber - Focaljet

**groot** · 05-07-2001, 01:29 PM

No experience, no knowledge of said kit. Sorry. But, I have an alternative suggestion....

One way to change your camber is to grind (elongate) the shock tower attachment holes for the strut. It's common practice here in Vehicle Engineering at Ford, but for it to be legal in H-Stock it must be in the factory service manual.

Has anyone found it in the factory service manual?

BTW..... The factory specs allow the camber to be -1.85 degrees and still be in spec!!!!!

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00 HS Focus ZX3
78 ITC VW Scirocco, totalled and out of commission

73 Porsche 914, 2.0L
84 Rabbit GTi, ITB car in process

**P-51** · 05-07-2001, 02:14 PM

Groot, the strut does not attach that way (like a VW). It's hard to explain it, but you can't adjust it that way, take a look at your strut.

The bottom just kind of "plugs into" a hole in the spindle.

**ZXmurph** · 05-07-2001, 02:24 PM

Could you "slot" the top mounts?

**groot** · 05-07-2001, 02:43 PM

Good input, slotting the holes is exactly what I was suggesting. P-51, your point is not lost on me, but, the boys at Roush (they're building the prototype SVT Foci) do it, so there must be a way. I'll have to go there tomorrow and ask one of the techs specifically about how they do it. I'll post the feedback.

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00 HS Focus ZX3
78 ITC VW Scirocco, totalled and out of commission

73 Porsche 914, 2.0L
84 Rabbit GTi, ITB car in process

[This message has been edited by groot (edited 05-07-2001).]

**SangriaZTS** · 05-07-2001, 03:42 PM

groot,

You said that the camber can be changed to -1.85° and still be in spec. Does that mean that I can get a maximum of -1.85° without any kit?

**P-51** · 05-07-2001, 03:58 PM

Shoot, I thought you meant slotting holes on the bottom mounting "ears" and using eccentric bolts like on a Mustang or something.

Yeah, the top mounts *could* work.

**P-51** · 05-07-2001, 03:59 PM

Oh yeah, on that 1.85* camber. No, there is no adjustability even within that window. That spec means just means that it can leave the factory with that much camber. It allows for the bar to be built crooked.

**groot** · 05-07-2001, 04:00 PM

Unfortunately, not. It means that if a Focus gets in an accident, Ford doesn't do anything about the front camber until it exceeds -1.85 degrees. Once it exceeds that spec, Ford will fix it.

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00 HS Focus ZX3
78 ITC VW Scirocco, totalled and out of commission

73 Porsche 914, 2.0L
84 Rabbit GTi, ITB car in process

**SangriaZTS** · 05-07-2001, 04:08 PM

So that means that the kit is the way to go, right? Have any of you done this? My goal is to get rid of the massive amounts of plowing it does into turns. My plan is to adjust the camber to ~ -2° (with the kit I guess) and try it at the next autocross. Then if that is not enough, maybe buying a stiffer rear swaybar (I'm already out of the stock class with the header I have - CSP). I'd rather it not get too tail happy. What do you think?

**groot** · 05-07-2001, 04:29 PM

If you're in Street Prepared, go ahead and slot the holes. It's allowed by the rules (para 14.8.d) and it's free.

**SangriaZTS** · 05-08-2001, 12:54 AM

Its me. Same question from the Suspension forum. Hopefully someone will actually read this and answer the question I wrote. Does anyone have any experience with the Ford kit to change the camber in the front?

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2000 Sangria Red ZTS
Borla exhaust, True-Rev intake, B&M shifter, JBA header, Esslinger U/D Pulley

**SangriaZTS** · 05-09-2001, 08:33 AM

05-07-2001, 01:29 PM	#1
groot Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 97	Re: negative camber No experience, no knowledge of said kit. Sorry. But, I have an alternative suggestion.... One way to change your camber is to grind (elongate) the shock tower attachment holes for the strut. It's common practice here in Vehicle Engineering at Ford, but for it to be legal in H-Stock it must be in the factory service manual. Has anyone found it in the factory service manual? BTW..... The factory specs allow the camber to be -1.85 degrees and still be in spec!!!!! ------------------ 00 HS Focus ZX3 78 ITC VW Scirocco, totalled and out of commission 73 Porsche 914, 2.0L 84 Rabbit GTi, ITB car in process

05-07-2001, 02:14 PM	#2
P-51 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brighton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,015	Re: negative camber Groot, the strut does not attach that way (like a VW). It's hard to explain it, but you can't adjust it that way, take a look at your strut. The bottom just kind of "plugs into" a hole in the spindle.

05-07-2001, 02:24 PM	#3
ZXmurph Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: where to surf in Rochester NY?? Posts: 3,905	Re: negative camber Could you "slot" the top mounts?

05-07-2001, 02:43 PM	#4
groot Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 97	Re: negative camber Good input, slotting the holes is exactly what I was suggesting. P-51, your point is not lost on me, but, the boys at Roush (they're building the prototype SVT Foci) do it, so there must be a way. I'll have to go there tomorrow and ask one of the techs specifically about how they do it. I'll post the feedback. ------------------ 00 HS Focus ZX3 78 ITC VW Scirocco, totalled and out of commission 73 Porsche 914, 2.0L 84 Rabbit GTi, ITB car in process [This message has been edited by groot (edited 05-07-2001).]

05-07-2001, 03:42 PM	#5
SangriaZTS TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 104	Re: negative camber groot, You said that the camber can be changed to -1.85° and still be in spec. Does that mean that I can get a maximum of -1.85° without any kit?

05-07-2001, 03:58 PM	#6
P-51 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brighton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,015	Re: negative camber Shoot, I thought you meant slotting holes on the bottom mounting "ears" and using eccentric bolts like on a Mustang or something. Yeah, the top mounts could work.

05-07-2001, 03:59 PM	#7
P-51 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brighton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,015	Re: negative camber Oh yeah, on that 1.85* camber. No, there is no adjustability even within that window. That spec means just means that it can leave the factory with that much camber. It allows for the bar to be built crooked.

05-07-2001, 04:00 PM	#8
groot Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 97	Re: negative camber Unfortunately, not. It means that if a Focus gets in an accident, Ford doesn't do anything about the front camber until it exceeds -1.85 degrees. Once it exceeds that spec, Ford will fix it. ------------------ 00 HS Focus ZX3 78 ITC VW Scirocco, totalled and out of commission 73 Porsche 914, 2.0L 84 Rabbit GTi, ITB car in process

05-07-2001, 04:08 PM	#9
SangriaZTS TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 104	Re: negative camber So that means that the kit is the way to go, right? Have any of you done this? My goal is to get rid of the massive amounts of plowing it does into turns. My plan is to adjust the camber to ~ -2° (with the kit I guess) and try it at the next autocross. Then if that is not enough, maybe buying a stiffer rear swaybar (I'm already out of the stock class with the header I have - CSP). I'd rather it not get too tail happy. What do you think?

05-07-2001, 04:29 PM	#10
groot Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 97	Re: negative camber If you're in Street Prepared, go ahead and slot the holes. It's allowed by the rules (para 14.8.d) and it's free.

05-08-2001, 12:54 AM	#11
SangriaZTS TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 104	negative camber Its me. Same question from the Suspension forum. Hopefully someone will actually read this and answer the question I wrote. Does anyone have any experience with the Ford kit to change the camber in the front? ------------------ 2000 Sangria Red ZTS Borla exhaust, True-Rev intake, B&M shifter, JBA header, Esslinger U/D Pulley

05-09-2001, 08:33 AM	#12
SangriaZTS TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 104	Re: negative camber btt

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