Torsen T2 problems - The Ford Focus Forum

**bmylez** · 10-31-2009, 09:12 PM

Had a Torsen T2 installed just this past March. For the last couple months, my car has developed a knocking/creaking that is directly related to the drivetrain. It will knock rapidly if I reverse quickly. It also knocks loudly when I do a hard decel. It is not motor mounts as I have all poly mounts and they are all in good condition.

The reason I think the noise is related to my Torsen is that I'm pretty sure I'm only putting power down to the passenger side wheel. The last 10 times that I've punched it in 1st gear, the car pulls very hard to the right and I don't accelerate very hard because I'm fighting for traction. So my question is, can an LSD go bad without blowing up?

**2002red** · 11-02-2009, 07:37 PM

It's possible ... check the transmission oil for metal shards/filings - I can't remember if the drain plug has a magnet on the focus.

Also check your axles (especially the cv joints) for damage.

**sofreshsoclean** · 11-04-2009, 01:33 AM

Sounds like a CV. I have the Torsen. been in for 3 years. With 180 whp and hard driving. it's not the weak link like in the stock drive line.

**bmylez** · 11-04-2009, 10:08 PM

So a bad CV joint will cause power to only be transferred to the passenger side? I punched it while taking a corner today and my inside tire lit up...no LSD action for sure.

**ClintB1321** · 11-04-2009, 10:27 PM

its for sure the torsen, this exact thing happened to me earlier in the year, i spent money everything else in the front end of the car to rule out everything and it ended up being the torsen, it'll get worse as time goes on then eventully just knock all the time even going straight, do yourself a favor and get a quaife.

**bmylez** · 11-04-2009, 10:38 PM

You serious? You're sayin my Torsen is toast? That's f____in ridiculous. I just got it in April, wtf.

**ClintB1321** · 11-04-2009, 10:41 PM

^ yeah man i didnt want to believe it either, thats why i spent money on everything else hoping it wasnt the diff. axles, wheel bearing, inner and outta tire rods, hubs, checked sway bar and motor mounts, everything!!! and once we had the diff out, put it in a vise, and stuck a axle in it and rotated it....the classis knock.... its the POS torsen for sure

**bmylez** · 11-04-2009, 10:49 PM

Oh my gosh...I dropped 700 bones on that and paid 200+ to install it (in addition to clutch install). That puts a huge damper on my turbo plans. How the hell can I put down 350whp to one f____ing tire! $1200 for Quiafe, FML...

**ClintB1321** · 11-04-2009, 11:34 PM

^thats what i said when MINE died

**f2focus** · 11-05-2009, 12:23 AM

The other bad part is Autotech no longer carries Quiafe so unless some delear in the US has one a quiafe will be more than $1200 from Europe...

**ClintB1321** · 11-05-2009, 12:48 AM

IMHO worth every penny, the torsens are not up to the task when it comes to turbo builds

**GreggPDX** · 11-05-2009, 02:51 PM

What is the warranty on the Torsen?

**ClintB1321** · 11-05-2009, 03:49 PM

^to the best of my knowledge, their isn't one

**ehancock** · 11-05-2009, 04:00 PM

I thought the T2 had a lifetime warranty as long as you weren't racing?

The Quaife has a lifetime warranty even if you use it for racing.

**ClintB1321** · 11-05-2009, 04:14 PM

hey, i could be wrong,

but none the less i DO know from experience that the torsen really is sub par to the quaife in build quality and wouldnt use it on a race or high power application.

**bmylez** · 11-05-2009, 04:37 PM

That's ridiculous, though. I've owned it less than a year. And how the hell do they know if you've been racing or not? It's my daily driver so...

**ClintB1321** · 11-05-2009, 04:42 PM

hey man, im just sharing what happened with my car, your situation sounds the same so thats why im saying its diff

**ClintB1321** · 11-05-2009, 04:44 PM

here's my thread about the issue

http://forums.focaljet.com/shift/601312-bad-thud-clunk.html

**sofreshsoclean** · 11-05-2009, 05:58 PM

if a c.v. is bad and you didn't have a LSD your car would go no where. you're revs would go up and the bad axle would spin. with an LSD. a bad c.v. would make the car run at 1/2 speed. and make alot of noise. as the torsen is a 1:2 ratio. you would go axectly 1/2. I hope its not your torsen, its not a quick install. somthing you only want to do once. I like the feel of the torsen over the quaife, its more responsive and more agressive. alows me to brake harder later into a trun and still maintain controll.

**bmylez** · 11-05-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClintB1321

here's my thread about the issue

http://forums.focaljet.com/shift/601312-bad-thud-clunk.html

Link no worky...

**ClintB1321** · 11-05-2009, 06:16 PM

hmm ill try to get it to work

**starfuryt550** · 11-05-2009, 06:55 PM

if you guys need a quaife differential, Terry Haines (Haines MotorSports) is a direct seller and distributor for them for all of his tranny builds. He is by Grand Rapids in MI.

Here is the number so you can call and get a price: its wayyy less than $1,200 as of early summer when i last talked to him, like 6-700 i believe.

1-616-874-1148
secondline@ameritech.net

^ business contact info.

**bmylez** · 11-05-2009, 07:20 PM

You sure that's the Quaife for the *Getrag* that is 600-700? Doesn't sound right being so cheap.

**bmylez** · 11-05-2009, 07:57 PM

This doesn't look promising. Went to the Ford Racing website and under "Warranty Availability" it says "N/A". Sweeeeeet, not. Gonna call them tomorrow and see if I can raise enough of a stink to make them do somethin. A diff that isn't regularly raced that breaks in less than a year. Sounds pathetic to me.

**lapp4sm** · 11-05-2009, 08:39 PM

Call Torsen directly (585) 464-5000, or www.torsen.com. Ford won't be much help unless you get someone like Leo Capaldi to help you out.

10-31-2009, 09:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
bmylez Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lackland AFB, TX Posts: 1,914	Torsen T2 problems Had a Torsen T2 installed just this past March. For the last couple months, my car has developed a knocking/creaking that is directly related to the drivetrain. It will knock rapidly if I reverse quickly. It also knocks loudly when I do a hard decel. It is not motor mounts as I have all poly mounts and they are all in good condition. The reason I think the noise is related to my Torsen is that I'm pretty sure I'm only putting power down to the passenger side wheel. The last 10 times that I've punched it in 1st gear, the car pulls very hard to the right and I don't accelerate very hard because I'm fighting for traction. So my question is, can an LSD go bad without blowing up? __________________ 2002 SVTF: custom cams, Thunderbolt HFC, HKS exhaust, etc. SBC stg 3 + Torsen LSD = :-D Aaron @ English Racing - "I can't remember the last time I was impressed by a Ford, but I was impressed by yours."

11-02-2009, 07:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
2002red TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 740	Re: Torsen T2 problems It's possible ... check the transmission oil for metal shards/filings - I can't remember if the drain plug has a magnet on the focus. Also check your axles (especially the cv joints) for damage. __________________ 02 sedan se (aka The SC'd se) Focussport/VF vortech currently @ 190 whp & 170 wtq on 93 octane Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue .... (Airplane)

11-04-2009, 01:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
sofreshsoclean Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 51	Re: Torsen T2 problems Sounds like a CV. I have the Torsen. been in for 3 years. With 180 whp and hard driving. it's not the weak link like in the stock drive line. __________________ JRSC BBK with 30lb inj. and matched larger MAF;Mustang coil and 9mm wires to Brisk LGS plugs, SVT header,cat and flex, 2.5"back; SVT airbox n snorcle, K&N panel. ported OEM T.B. ; ERG block off; New MTX trans with Torsen, 6 puck clutch, fidanza flywheel; Urathane rear mount and A "Stiffy" motor snuber. SVT Suspension, FC strut bar, OEM 17 st200 wheels, 4 wheel disc.

11-04-2009, 10:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
bmylez Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lackland AFB, TX Posts: 1,914	Re: Torsen T2 problems So a bad CV joint will cause power to only be transferred to the passenger side? I punched it while taking a corner today and my inside tire lit up...no LSD action for sure. __________________ 2002 SVTF: custom cams, Thunderbolt HFC, HKS exhaust, etc. SBC stg 3 + Torsen LSD = :-D Aaron @ English Racing - "I can't remember the last time I was impressed by a Ford, but I was impressed by yours."

11-04-2009, 10:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Torsen T2 problems its for sure the torsen, this exact thing happened to me earlier in the year, i spent money everything else in the front end of the car to rule out everything and it ended up being the torsen, it'll get worse as time goes on then eventully just knock all the time even going straight, do yourself a favor and get a quaife. __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-04-2009, 10:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
bmylez Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lackland AFB, TX Posts: 1,914	Re: Torsen T2 problems You serious? You're sayin my Torsen is toast? That's f____in ridiculous. I just got it in April, wtf. __________________ 2002 SVTF: custom cams, Thunderbolt HFC, HKS exhaust, etc. SBC stg 3 + Torsen LSD = :-D Aaron @ English Racing - "I can't remember the last time I was impressed by a Ford, but I was impressed by yours."

11-04-2009, 10:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Torsen T2 problems ^ yeah man i didnt want to believe it either, thats why i spent money on everything else hoping it wasnt the diff. axles, wheel bearing, inner and outta tire rods, hubs, checked sway bar and motor mounts, everything!!! and once we had the diff out, put it in a vise, and stuck a axle in it and rotated it....the classis knock.... its the POS torsen for sure __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-04-2009, 10:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
bmylez Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lackland AFB, TX Posts: 1,914	Re: Torsen T2 problems Oh my gosh...I dropped 700 bones on that and paid 200+ to install it (in addition to clutch install). That puts a huge damper on my turbo plans. How the hell can I put down 350whp to one f____ing tire! $1200 for Quiafe, FML... __________________ 2002 SVTF: custom cams, Thunderbolt HFC, HKS exhaust, etc. SBC stg 3 + Torsen LSD = :-D Aaron @ English Racing - "I can't remember the last time I was impressed by a Ford, but I was impressed by yours."

11-04-2009, 11:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Torsen T2 problems ^thats what i said when MINE died __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-05-2009, 12:23 AM	#10 (permalink)
f2focus Associate Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 2,433	Re: Torsen T2 problems The other bad part is Autotech no longer carries Quiafe so unless some delear in the US has one a quiafe will be more than $1200 from Europe... __________________ Authorized Dealer for: Brembo Brakes, Clutchnet, Vogtland, Eibach, Koni, Tokico, Ingalls, Ireland Engineering, Crower Cams, Supertech, ACT Clutch, ARP Studs, Kyowa Wheels, Nitto Tires, Toyo Tires, StopTech Brakes, Centric Brakes, TurboSmart, Cosworth, Street Scene. www.f2focus.com Vehicles: 2008 Ford Fusion, 2008 Focus Coupe, 2010 Mazda 3 (Coming), 2011 Fiesta (planned)

11-05-2009, 12:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Torsen T2 problems IMHO worth every penny, the torsens are not up to the task when it comes to turbo builds __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-05-2009, 02:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
GreggPDX Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Oregon City, OR Posts: 35	Re: Torsen T2 problems What is the warranty on the Torsen? __________________ 2003 Twilight Blue ZX3, 2.3l, FS Stage 1 turbo, custom 3" exhaust, Cosworth intake manifold, SVT brakes, Eibach springs, GAZ struts, EAP wheels

11-05-2009, 03:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Torsen T2 problems ^to the best of my knowledge, their isn't one __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-05-2009, 04:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
ehancock Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Plymouth, MI Posts: 1,301	Re: Torsen T2 problems I thought the T2 had a lifetime warranty as long as you weren't racing? The Quaife has a lifetime warranty even if you use it for racing.

11-05-2009, 04:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Torsen T2 problems hey, i could be wrong, but none the less i DO know from experience that the torsen really is sub par to the quaife in build quality and wouldnt use it on a race or high power application. __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-05-2009, 04:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
bmylez Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lackland AFB, TX Posts: 1,914	Re: Torsen T2 problems That's ridiculous, though. I've owned it less than a year. And how the hell do they know if you've been racing or not? It's my daily driver so... __________________ 2002 SVTF: custom cams, Thunderbolt HFC, HKS exhaust, etc. SBC stg 3 + Torsen LSD = :-D Aaron @ English Racing - "I can't remember the last time I was impressed by a Ford, but I was impressed by yours."

11-05-2009, 04:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Torsen T2 problems hey man, im just sharing what happened with my car, your situation sounds the same so thats why im saying its diff __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-05-2009, 04:44 PM	#18 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Torsen T2 problems here's my thread about the issue http://forums.focaljet.com/shift/601312-bad-thud-clunk.html __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-05-2009, 05:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
sofreshsoclean Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 51	Re: Torsen T2 problems if a c.v. is bad and you didn't have a LSD your car would go no where. you're revs would go up and the bad axle would spin. with an LSD. a bad c.v. would make the car run at 1/2 speed. and make alot of noise. as the torsen is a 1:2 ratio. you would go axectly 1/2. I hope its not your torsen, its not a quick install. somthing you only want to do once. I like the feel of the torsen over the quaife, its more responsive and more agressive. alows me to brake harder later into a trun and still maintain controll. __________________ JRSC BBK with 30lb inj. and matched larger MAF;Mustang coil and 9mm wires to Brisk LGS plugs, SVT header,cat and flex, 2.5"back; SVT airbox n snorcle, K&N panel. ported OEM T.B. ; ERG block off; New MTX trans with Torsen, 6 puck clutch, fidanza flywheel; Urathane rear mount and A "Stiffy" motor snuber. SVT Suspension, FC strut bar, OEM 17 st200 wheels, 4 wheel disc.

11-05-2009, 06:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Torsen T2 problems hmm ill try to get it to work __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-05-2009, 06:55 PM	#22 (permalink)
starfuryt550 TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 600	Re: Torsen T2 problems if you guys need a quaife differential, Terry Haines (Haines MotorSports) is a direct seller and distributor for them for all of his tranny builds. He is by Grand Rapids in MI. Here is the number so you can call and get a price: its wayyy less than $1,200 as of early summer when i last talked to him, like 6-700 i believe. 1-616-874-1148 secondline@ameritech.net ^ business contact info.

11-05-2009, 07:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
bmylez Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lackland AFB, TX Posts: 1,914	Re: Torsen T2 problems You sure that's the Quaife for the Getrag that is 600-700? Doesn't sound right being so cheap. __________________ 2002 SVTF: custom cams, Thunderbolt HFC, HKS exhaust, etc. SBC stg 3 + Torsen LSD = :-D Aaron @ English Racing - "I can't remember the last time I was impressed by a Ford, but I was impressed by yours."

11-05-2009, 07:57 PM	#24 (permalink)
bmylez Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lackland AFB, TX Posts: 1,914	Re: Torsen T2 problems This doesn't look promising. Went to the Ford Racing website and under "Warranty Availability" it says "N/A". Sweeeeeet, not. Gonna call them tomorrow and see if I can raise enough of a stink to make them do somethin. A diff that isn't regularly raced that breaks in less than a year. Sounds pathetic to me. __________________ 2002 SVTF: custom cams, Thunderbolt HFC, HKS exhaust, etc. SBC stg 3 + Torsen LSD = :-D Aaron @ English Racing - "I can't remember the last time I was impressed by a Ford, but I was impressed by yours."

11-05-2009, 08:39 PM	#25 (permalink)
lapp4sm TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 384	Re: Torsen T2 problems Call Torsen directly (585) 464-5000, or www.torsen.com. Ford won't be much help unless you get someone like Leo Capaldi to help you out. __________________

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