2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! - Page 4 - Focaljet

**Dwzx3fc** · 10-11-2006, 07:56 AM

Unfortunetly,it looks like the engine swap and the AWD swap would in fact, be
pretty much the same money to complete. It would be easier and smarter in
most cases to just go get another vehicle that already has AWD and a turbo or
SC to get the extra HP everyone is craving. Can you say WRX or EVO? I still can't
justify getting an Evo for the asking price,though. $33K plus is just outrageous to
me for a 4-banger. I personally would buy a Cobra or GTO for that kind of money.
Sorry to be so offtopic.

**Blurry** · 10-13-2006, 02:33 PM

I'd be interested in the 2.3 if it put down 195-200 hp to the wheels and it didn't cost a lot...

I agree with Dwzx3fc...$33K plus for a 4-banger...nice 4-banger though none the less...that's why I paid $26,000 for a VW Golf R32...love it. HP costs...I'd buy an EVO/STI...completely different car then the Cobra or GTO...not saying one is better then the other...Heck, how many of us would have bought the Focus RS if it came stateside? I would.

**Dwzx3fc** · 10-13-2006, 06:10 PM

I loved the older VW V6's. The power band was so smooth and strong. The
newer one's are probably better and defineately more powerful. Fours can have
much more power, but it comes at the expense of smoothness. I'm sure I'd love the R32. I was content with the older 172HP VR6,but it did need a few more HP.
I drove a WRX and was not impressed whatsoever. Without the turbo it was
a slug. Everyone has different opinions,tho.

**Nic** · 10-14-2006, 03:09 AM

I am only at 25,000 miles on my 03 svt, but when it comes time for a rebuild I would love to have the option of a drop in 2.3 with Cosworth d-power upgrade L 2 or even L3 if it comes out.

**Dwzx3fc** · 10-14-2006, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nic

I am only at 25,000 miles on my 03 svt, but when it comes time for a rebuild I would love to have the option of a drop in 2.3 with Cosworth d-power upgrade L 2 or even L3 if it comes out.

You just need to find a reputable shop that can either take a 2.3 you give
them and apply the Cos kits,or one that can get you the engine and hook
it up right.

The Cos kits are pretty damn pricey alone,plus a new 2.3 plus harness and
fuel pump,CPU,your looking at at least $2500 for stage 2 without an engine
and accessories.

A full blown 2.3 Cos setup would cost at least $6-$7K without labor even?
I'd even do the swap for ya,if anyone even lived by me.LOL.

**biker16** · 10-15-2006, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverFocusZX3

I would be very interested in this as my 2000 Focus is feeling a bit sluggish and old and would love a newer heart. I think this is a great idea...BUT I would offer it in 2 options.

1: Full Kit new motor, trans, new everything you need.

2: Cheap Kit, just offer the shift linkages, hoses, wires, engine mounts, instructions and everything but let the buyer source a motor and tranny. Only reason for this is the cost of a used motor and tranny would make this much more obtainable for the average consumer

I agree this is the way to go.

FOr those that would want to source a MTX with a LSD or 4.10 FDR.
Or use the 2.0 duratec.

**SilverFocusZX3** · 10-17-2006, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biker16

I agree this is the way to go.

FOr those that would want to source a MTX with a LSD or 4.10 FDR.
Or use the 2.0 duratec.

I mean I look at it with how Honda's progressed over time with the swaps. In the beginning may it have been the B or the K everyone said its too expensive. Its not worth the money for the small amount of gains. THEN once more performance parts were made for the B series engines and more turbo kits released the trend picked up more. Well ofcourse as time went on the average people driving these cars with the desired motors were wrecking the cars, selling them used cheap and things like this that the motors were more readily available and cheaper.

I think what Steeda needs to look at in this idea is a longer term return on this investment which I think would be great as long as its not going to cost them a drastic amount and be a rediculous amount for the consumer

The 2.3 Duratecs will get cheaper as time goes on as more and more start to show up in salvage yards and so on. Yes I know there wont be as many Duratecs as there are B series engines but they will still become available used and for a cheaper cost.

**Revo** · 10-17-2006, 11:22 AM

i dont want to pop anyone's bubble, but i dont think there will ever be anything similar to hondas interchangability in our beloved ford focus. ford changed the mounting positions on the duratec.. well ok just one, but **** they even changed which side the exhuast is on for christ sake. any swap in a focus is going to be exspenive and require some sort of fabrication. and plus like what was previously said our car is too new, the parts are too new and thus too exspensive to make worth while. plus you have to think, how long will ford continue with the focus anyways.

theres something very very nice about honda's b and d series engines, they all use the same mount locations! one could take a b series from a teg and drop it right into a 92-00' civic. I helped my buddy do it to his 95 cx hatch, which is now turbo'd btw. that thing hauls balls! just under 2000lbs with ~300whp!
also the k series swap is still the most exspensive and difficult to perform in the honda world.

i just wanna say one last thing about honda's. the interchangability between their engines is lovely. ppl are using d series ecus to control b series engines, using trannies from this car on that engine and so on.. while true the focus has some of that, we just dont have enough of it.

but what is promising is the variation in displacement of the duratec. going from 2.0 to 2.3 or even 2.5, i think could be relatively easy and inexpensive as in not that many parts are needed to be purchased bc enough is shared between engines.

**SVTFocus101** · 10-17-2006, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f2focus

I think what Steeda wants to do is very doable.

At the moment we are doing an engine swap for a customer. He has an SPI and we are putting a Zetec with tranny and also adding Air Conditioning for $3500.00. This includes parts and install labor. The Duratec would be a little more for sure.

What's a little bit more? LOL

**gobstopper** · 10-17-2006, 04:38 PM

Just to throw my opinion in here...

If something like this were to be offered, I'd want what would amount to a mount and wiring kit, because I've already got a built gearbox that would go in, and I'd use the opporotunity to put in a block with forged rods/pistons.

I wouldn't be so concerned with power because it would only be naturally aspirated for long enough to make sure nothing's going to fall out.

**dimm** · 10-19-2006, 10:54 AM

Best thing I can see for steeda if they want this thing to go is this.

Setup a kit with no motor like everyone else is saying as a low cost low brow option for the grassroots guys.

Also have the option of buying the long block without tranny with the wiring kit and mount.

Then offer another option with the long block, tranny, all other necessary goodies for people who do not want to worry with everything else. The kicker for this one is for you to certify certain installers for this type of installation and give these people a discount on installation for using this installer (I gurantee that option will sell at least one of these kits.)

Then you also have the option of adding cosworth equipment to these motors to help boost the performance for additonal options.

The more options you offer us, the more likely people will be to purchase one or the other.

The fact that everything is brand new ford parts in a price conscious world of focaljet as a marketing or reason to create emotion to purchase this kit does not sell well to most people on this board. As you can see by most responses to this thread already.
It does sell well to the guy who has the money for a complete kit and wants to drop it off someplace and have it installed with no worries.

Another option is for you guys to get in touch with wells fargo to offer financing for these types of projects. GE also has great plans with relativly low percentage costs to the company. I am sure they can taylor a plan for the aftermarket. I have yet to see anyone with this ability. Frankly financing does give the option of affordability for the big projects.

Considering most people of my generation live and die by credit, well....financing opens a whole new world for aftermarket companys.

**focalized31** · 11-08-2006, 05:55 PM

so whats the news on this kit i blew up my SVT Tranny and posibly the motor so would this fit in my SVT and what the price look like

**EnixStorm** · 11-12-2006, 05:41 PM

im going to second him on that one...an AWD setup is MUCH more appealing to alot of foci owners than a duratec swap. In all reality if your going to swap in a duratec, why not just go buy one of CosWorths engines, like a 220hp or something and swap that in instead? plus there's ALOT more aftermarket parts for zetec engines than duratec, FS was the only one putting stuff out for awhile, now other companies have been slowly producing more and more for the duratec line. I had a duratec taurus and there was nothing for it, now a duratec focus.

If you really want an engine swap, then check cosworth out and get one of these.
Other than that, I wouldn't bother. We're not seeing that much power than you zetec users in all honesty.

Now on the AWD subject that got brought up, I know we're not the only ones looking at an AWD kit to come out someday, that would be AMAZING and I would go straight after it. Cost is the biggest thing though and look at how much a rear wheel drive conversion KIT costs, about 6-8k. BUT that's info I got off of 2 v8 conversion sites for the 5.0L swap, and even as a Car N00b I've learned enough to know that it would cost far less if you shopped around.

So what does STEEDA think about maybe looking into an AWD kit for the focus? new poll perhaps? count my vote!

**Revo** · 11-15-2006, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnixStorm

Other than that, I wouldn't bother. We're not seeing that much power than you zetec users in all honesty.

whoa whoa whoa

newbie alert

D2.0 > Zetec 2.0 in power and torque and shoot you have a 2.3 cmon now..

**EnixStorm** · 11-15-2006, 09:07 PM

LOL yea I won't disagree with you on that, but not on that post

it makes perfect sense, I'm sorry 20 hp is nothing to spend 4 grand on at the least thats ridiculous.

If ur gonna throw money around just buy a cosworth from their site, why WASTE 4grand or more for 20-30 hp when you can put 4 grand into a super/turbo setup for 100? or towards a base 220hp high performance engine?

Not to mention, I'm not destroying zetec focus, im beating them all but im not destroying them so to speak

**Revo** · 11-16-2006, 01:58 PM

ooooo i see your point now

your right it wouldnt be worth it if the engine being transplated is stock.

i think it could be quite possible to offer a product to us D2.0l-ers to upgrade to 2.3l, relatively inexpensively. then theres the possiblity for options, such as forged internals.

engine swaps are usually cost effective on an OLD car, like civics

**EnixStorm** · 11-16-2006, 03:47 PM

yea. well from what I've read all the duratec engines are identical (1.8 2.0 2.3)save for I think 11mm stroke height or something like that on the 2.3(1.8 2.0 2.3). I think it's in the duratec FAQ, so yea I agree that would be cool for d2.0ers.

BTW bone stock 2.3s own Tacoma TRDs and don't let anyone tell you any different

**bbychvz** · 11-17-2006, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwzx3fc

Unfortunetly,it looks like the engine swap and the AWD swap would in fact, be
pretty much the same money to complete. It would be easier and smarter in
most cases to just go get another vehicle that already has AWD and a turbo or
SC to get the extra HP everyone is craving. Can you say WRX or EVO? I still can't
justify getting an Evo for the asking price,though. $33K plus is just outrageous to
me for a 4-banger. I personally would buy a Cobra or GTO for that kind of money.
Sorry to be so offtopic.

evo rs

all you get is an engine, and a big smile. for 27k

**bbychvz** · 11-17-2006, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnixStorm

yea. well from what I've read all the duratec engines are identical (1.8 2.0 2.3)save for I think 11mm stroke height or something like that on the 2.3(1.8 2.0 2.3). I think it's in the duratec FAQ, so yea I agree that would be cool for d2.0ers.

BTW bone stock 2.3s own Tacoma TRDs and don't let anyone tell you any different

there is only 2 duratec's 2.0l & 2.3l

**Cameroon** · 11-17-2006, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbychvz

there is only 2 duratec's 2.0l & 2.3l

In north america that is correct. Globally there are 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 litre versions.

**EnixStorm** · 11-17-2006, 03:13 PM

that's what I was comparing :/

**Honda Hunter** · 11-24-2006, 08:23 AM

Thank you all for your time and input.

I'll keep you posted.

**DrewIsAmus** · 11-28-2006, 07:44 PM

Sorry to get in on this late but I've often wondered about swapping to a duratec 2.3 from my lil zetec. I found a few wrecked Foci but never had the time or resources to pull a motor from a junker and install it in my car, plus all the wiring and fab time. I'd be very interested especially before I spend major money on a supercharger or whatever, not to mention that the duratec has all the cool cosworth parts.

**bbychvz** · 11-30-2006, 07:17 PM

how about the 2.5L in line 5 turbo from the volvo c30?

or the new(whenever it comes out) 3.5L v6

**13B-Courier** · 12-17-2006, 08:03 AM

I would be very much interested in a DIY kit with just mounts and a kit for the wiring and I could source an engine/tranny myself. I have a 2000 focus waiting for a 2.3 duratec to go in now...I plan on doing this either way but if a kit came out in the next 6 months I would buy it for sure.

10-11-2006, 07:56 AM	#76
Dwzx3fc TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Winter Haven, Fl. Posts: 867	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! Unfortunetly,it looks like the engine swap and the AWD swap would in fact, be pretty much the same money to complete. It would be easier and smarter in most cases to just go get another vehicle that already has AWD and a turbo or SC to get the extra HP everyone is craving. Can you say WRX or EVO? I still can't justify getting an Evo for the asking price,though. $33K plus is just outrageous to me for a 4-banger. I personally would buy a Cobra or GTO for that kind of money. Sorry to be so offtopic.

10-13-2006, 02:33 PM	#77
Blurry TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maine Posts: 545	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! I'd be interested in the 2.3 if it put down 195-200 hp to the wheels and it didn't cost a lot... I agree with Dwzx3fc...$33K plus for a 4-banger...nice 4-banger though none the less...that's why I paid $26,000 for a VW Golf R32...love it. HP costs...I'd buy an EVO/STI...completely different car then the Cobra or GTO...not saying one is better then the other...Heck, how many of us would have bought the Focus RS if it came stateside? I would. __________________ 06 Honda Civic Si 02 SVT Focus, CD Silver No. 2032 (Totalled)

10-13-2006, 06:10 PM	#78
Dwzx3fc TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Winter Haven, Fl. Posts: 867	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! I loved the older VW V6's. The power band was so smooth and strong. The newer one's are probably better and defineately more powerful. Fours can have much more power, but it comes at the expense of smoothness. I'm sure I'd love the R32. I was content with the older 172HP VR6,but it did need a few more HP. I drove a WRX and was not impressed whatsoever. Without the turbo it was a slug. Everyone has different opinions,tho.

10-14-2006, 03:09 AM	#79
Nic Rookie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 22	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! I am only at 25,000 miles on my 03 svt, but when it comes time for a rebuild I would love to have the option of a drop in 2.3 with Cosworth d-power upgrade L 2 or even L3 if it comes out.

10-17-2006, 11:22 AM	#83
Revo Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,213	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! i dont want to pop anyone's bubble, but i dont think there will ever be anything similar to hondas interchangability in our beloved ford focus. ford changed the mounting positions on the duratec.. well ok just one, but **** they even changed which side the exhuast is on for christ sake. any swap in a focus is going to be exspenive and require some sort of fabrication. and plus like what was previously said our car is too new, the parts are too new and thus too exspensive to make worth while. plus you have to think, how long will ford continue with the focus anyways. theres something very very nice about honda's b and d series engines, they all use the same mount locations! one could take a b series from a teg and drop it right into a 92-00' civic. I helped my buddy do it to his 95 cx hatch, which is now turbo'd btw. that thing hauls balls! just under 2000lbs with ~300whp! also the k series swap is still the most exspensive and difficult to perform in the honda world. i just wanna say one last thing about honda's. the interchangability between their engines is lovely. ppl are using d series ecus to control b series engines, using trannies from this car on that engine and so on.. while true the focus has some of that, we just dont have enough of it. but what is promising is the variation in displacement of the duratec. going from 2.0 to 2.3 or even 2.5, i think could be relatively easy and inexpensive as in not that many parts are needed to be purchased bc enough is shared between engines. __________________ aint ridin stock no more

10-17-2006, 04:38 PM	#85
gobstopper Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 2,008	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! Just to throw my opinion in here... If something like this were to be offered, I'd want what would amount to a mount and wiring kit, because I've already got a built gearbox that would go in, and I'd use the opporotunity to put in a block with forged rods/pistons. I wouldn't be so concerned with power because it would only be naturally aspirated for long enough to make sure nothing's going to fall out. __________________ fasfocus00 = Douche Canoe

10-19-2006, 10:54 AM	#86
dimm TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: good ol balmore merland Posts: 679	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! Best thing I can see for steeda if they want this thing to go is this. Setup a kit with no motor like everyone else is saying as a low cost low brow option for the grassroots guys. Also have the option of buying the long block without tranny with the wiring kit and mount. Then offer another option with the long block, tranny, all other necessary goodies for people who do not want to worry with everything else. The kicker for this one is for you to certify certain installers for this type of installation and give these people a discount on installation for using this installer (I gurantee that option will sell at least one of these kits.) Then you also have the option of adding cosworth equipment to these motors to help boost the performance for additonal options. The more options you offer us, the more likely people will be to purchase one or the other. The fact that everything is brand new ford parts in a price conscious world of focaljet as a marketing or reason to create emotion to purchase this kit does not sell well to most people on this board. As you can see by most responses to this thread already. It does sell well to the guy who has the money for a complete kit and wants to drop it off someplace and have it installed with no worries. Another option is for you guys to get in touch with wells fargo to offer financing for these types of projects. GE also has great plans with relativly low percentage costs to the company. I am sure they can taylor a plan for the aftermarket. I have yet to see anyone with this ability. Frankly financing does give the option of affordability for the big projects. Considering most people of my generation live and die by credit, well....financing opens a whole new world for aftermarket companys. __________________ Sure you can go real fast in a straight line but can you turn without hitting your brakes?

11-08-2006, 05:55 PM	#87
focalized31 TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: McAllen, TX Posts: 864	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! so whats the news on this kit i blew up my SVT Tranny and posibly the motor so would this fit in my SVT and what the price look like __________________ Team SPEEDLINE !!!

11-12-2006, 05:41 PM	#88
EnixStorm Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jacksonville, N.C. Posts: 1,478	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! im going to second him on that one...an AWD setup is MUCH more appealing to alot of foci owners than a duratec swap. In all reality if your going to swap in a duratec, why not just go buy one of CosWorths engines, like a 220hp or something and swap that in instead? plus there's ALOT more aftermarket parts for zetec engines than duratec, FS was the only one putting stuff out for awhile, now other companies have been slowly producing more and more for the duratec line. I had a duratec taurus and there was nothing for it, now a duratec focus. If you really want an engine swap, then check cosworth out and get one of these. Other than that, I wouldn't bother. We're not seeing that much power than you zetec users in all honesty. Now on the AWD subject that got brought up, I know we're not the only ones looking at an AWD kit to come out someday, that would be AMAZING and I would go straight after it. Cost is the biggest thing though and look at how much a rear wheel drive conversion KIT costs, about 6-8k. BUT that's info I got off of 2 v8 conversion sites for the 5.0L swap, and even as a Car N00b I've learned enough to know that it would cost far less if you shopped around. So what does STEEDA think about maybe looking into an AWD kit for the focus? new poll perhaps? count my vote! __________________ -2003 SE PZEV ATX - FS 2.3l Stage 2 1/4: 13.78@100mph -2008 Mazda 3S Touring 2.3l w/VVT

11-15-2006, 09:07 PM	#90
EnixStorm Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jacksonville, N.C. Posts: 1,478	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! LOL yea I won't disagree with you on that, but not on that post it makes perfect sense, I'm sorry 20 hp is nothing to spend 4 grand on at the least thats ridiculous. If ur gonna throw money around just buy a cosworth from their site, why WASTE 4grand or more for 20-30 hp when you can put 4 grand into a super/turbo setup for 100? or towards a base 220hp high performance engine? Not to mention, I'm not destroying zetec focus, im beating them all but im not destroying them so to speak __________________ -2003 SE PZEV ATX - FS 2.3l Stage 2 1/4: 13.78@100mph -2008 Mazda 3S Touring 2.3l w/VVT

11-16-2006, 01:58 PM	#91
Revo Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,213	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! ooooo i see your point now your right it wouldnt be worth it if the engine being transplated is stock. i think it could be quite possible to offer a product to us D2.0l-ers to upgrade to 2.3l, relatively inexpensively. then theres the possiblity for options, such as forged internals. engine swaps are usually cost effective on an OLD car, like civics __________________ aint ridin stock no more

11-16-2006, 03:47 PM	#92
EnixStorm Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jacksonville, N.C. Posts: 1,478	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! yea. well from what I've read all the duratec engines are identical (1.8 2.0 2.3)save for I think 11mm stroke height or something like that on the 2.3(1.8 2.0 2.3). I think it's in the duratec FAQ, so yea I agree that would be cool for d2.0ers. BTW bone stock 2.3s own Tacoma TRDs and don't let anyone tell you any different __________________ -2003 SE PZEV ATX - FS 2.3l Stage 2 1/4: 13.78@100mph -2008 Mazda 3S Touring 2.3l w/VVT

11-17-2006, 03:13 PM	#96
EnixStorm Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jacksonville, N.C. Posts: 1,478	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! that's what I was comparing :/ __________________ -2003 SE PZEV ATX - FS 2.3l Stage 2 1/4: 13.78@100mph -2008 Mazda 3S Touring 2.3l w/VVT

11-24-2006, 08:23 AM	#97
Honda Hunter Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Fabulous South Florida Posts: 4,848	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! Thank you all for your time and input. I'll keep you posted. __________________ -Nick NaRdone

11-28-2006, 07:44 PM	#98
DrewIsAmus TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: North Charleston, SC Posts: 437	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! Sorry to get in on this late but I've often wondered about swapping to a duratec 2.3 from my lil zetec. I found a few wrecked Foci but never had the time or resources to pull a motor from a junker and install it in my car, plus all the wiring and fab time. I'd be very interested especially before I spend major money on a supercharger or whatever, not to mention that the duratec has all the cool cosworth parts. __________________ ~Drew~ 2003 ZX3 Liquid Grey Soo many plans, soo little money! Air Force - Security Forces

11-30-2006, 07:17 PM	#99
bbychvz Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Fernando Valley CA Posts: 1,227	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! how about the 2.5L in line 5 turbo from the volvo c30? or the new(whenever it comes out) 3.5L v6 __________________ MazdaSpeed3!!!

12-17-2006, 08:03 AM	#100
13B-Courier Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SW PA Posts: 90	Re: 2.3 Duratec Full Swap Kit-----> We want your opinions!! I would be very much interested in a DIY kit with just mounts and a kit for the wiring and I could source an engine/tranny myself. I have a 2000 focus waiting for a 2.3 duratec to go in now...I plan on doing this either way but if a kit came out in the next 6 months I would buy it for sure.