News on the SVT JRSC - Focaljet

**SlickShoes** · 03-29-2002, 11:04 PM

I just figured I'd pass along the info I got from a phone call I had with Jackson Racing the other day. I was just speaking with the guy that answered the phone and have no idea how much "in the know" we really is, so take it as such...

Apparently the kits will be available "a couple months after the first SVT's are delivered" and should be "slightly over $3k" (I was, and honestly, still am, expecting it to be more though). Apparently they are in the final stages of getting the CARB and 50 state legal status.

He stated that they were seeing 213 HP at the wheels on pump gas but wasn't sure of the torque. According to a weight/hp->ET calculator, that would put it in the high 13's w/ weight at 2870 lbs... I don't really believe it, but it sounds good!

http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/et_calculator.html

I've also heard that the kit will include an upgraded fuel pump as well as some other small components to support the added performance.

Anyone else have any info on this? Anyone else planning to get one?

laters....

**smogguy** · 03-29-2002, 11:30 PM

I am interested but want to wait for more info.

**ZX3-GTR** · 03-30-2002, 12:58 AM

Yeah, I'm definately going to wait until all the facts come out. Thanks for the info though. [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

**COSitsWORTHit** · 03-30-2002, 08:18 AM

Hmmmmm turbo or S/C....

**Slayer420** · 03-30-2002, 11:36 AM

I plan on possibly going with a SC or a turbo near the end of the warranty period. I figure around that time, I will be very used to the power to of the SVT and it will be a nice breath of life into the car at that time. Thanks for the info!

**SlickShoes** · 08-19-2002, 09:16 PM

Just a little bump.
I called JRSC today and asked about the SC.

When will it be available?
-before the end of the year

Will it keep the stock compression ratio?
-yes

Will it just use a black box type fuel system thingy similar to the Zetec's SC?
-yes

Any idea of a price range?
-around $3k

So, no major news. Just was glad to hear that I did get "Umm... we've shelved that since its blowing things up" or anything REALLY bad like that.

**SVTRules** · 08-19-2002, 10:07 PM

I'm curious as to if the S/C will run with an AEM CAI ...

Is the stock airbox needed for that application, or can we fab something. I don't want the stock airbox in there.

**Nalar** · 08-20-2002, 12:40 AM

If you look at the pictures in the May/June issue of SVT Enthusiast, you'll see (in picture #24) that the JRSC uses the stock intake system, airbox, snorkel and all... from the looks of it, I'm sure that the hose connecting the airbox and MAF to the SC can be manipulated to fit. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Sweet!!!! If their numbers are based on the stock intake system(which they are), we're sure to score another at least another ~10hp & ~10lbs/ft on top of their numbers with the better breathing!

**belacyrf** · 08-20-2002, 12:46 AM

You'll be able to manipulate the AEM to fit the Jackson. You might need to do some cutting, but it'll be worth it. I don't think you'll be seeing 10 HP, because the air temp isn't going to make that big of a difference.

But it should give you a little, and anything to lower the intake charge will be a benefit with that setup!

**South.O.C.** · 08-20-2002, 12:52 AM

I wish they would just PRODUCE the system, and in a couple MONTHS when the hype is over and they are sitting in on the shelves, they will discount them to a
REASONABLE PRICE $2000.00 [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]
Some people are just greedy, and when they need to move the product maybe they will set a reasonable price. Most people will have to pay someone to install the SC. Shop rates are near $90 Hr @ 10 hours? = $900.00

**xSilverSvtx** · 08-20-2002, 12:53 AM

Im not really into engines but those guys contemplating turbo vs. sc really have no argument, I mean correct me if im wrong but with that high of compression I dont think a turbos really gonna work. Am I right? I mean if you replaced the pistons with something lower compression I can see a benefit, but I think with the stock setup its much easier to SC.

**SlickShoes** · 08-20-2002, 01:26 AM

Boost is boost, whether it comes from a turbo or an SC. Both really don't like high compression. The big benefit of a turbo solution would be that an intercooler would be MUCH easier to add.

As for installing the SC. They design these kits for the weekend mechanic to install in a garage. Granted you need to dyno and tune it at a reputable shop, the actual work required to install and get the kit running is not that complicated.

I'm just hoping to get the kit and bribe some other SoCal folk (beer and pizza seems to always work) to help me install it over a weekend.

**TbirdJayC** · 08-20-2002, 01:32 AM

Are we sure there is NO WAY to intercool this thing? The 89-95 TBird SC had a roots blower that was intercooled, as does the Allen Engine Development mustang kit. They use 2 different setups, the Tbirds was a traditional turbo like setup and the AED mounts the intercooler right under the blower and feeds it from the radiator. Im sure there are other examples, SLK? Just seems like with a little more engineering, we can be looking at a lot more power. Cooler shot, means we can push more boost (Duh...sorry if i insulted anyones intelligence).

[ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: TbirdJayC ]

**dansmurf** · 08-20-2002, 02:05 AM

Anyone see the new SVT Enthusiast Mag. Check out the air-to-water cooler on page 22. I bet we could get it to fit. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

[ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: dansmurf ]

**Nalar** · 08-20-2002, 09:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by belacyrf:
You'll be able to manipulate the AEM to fit the Jackson. You might need to do some cutting, but it'll be worth it. I don't think you'll be seeing 10 HP, because the air temp isn't going to make that big of a difference.

But it should give you a little, and anything to lower the intake charge will be a benefit with that setup!<hr></blockquote>

If we gained ~ 5hp with no form of FI with the CAI, I think another 5 on top of that is a reasonable estimate. Also, not so much the temperature of the air coming in, but the use of the less restrictive conical air filter. I'm not saying that those of us already with the CAI would gain another 10 on top of our current gains, but 10 over the quoted numbers Jackson claims when they use the stock system.

[ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: Nalar ]

**racerx** · 08-20-2002, 09:20 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by TbirdJayC:
Are we sure there is NO WAY to intercool this thing?<hr></blockquote>
The blowers on the Lightning and Mustang apps sit in the "V" of the engine...the ducting is totally different and allows the use of an intercooler.

On the Focus, it blows directly into the combustion chambers, more or less. There's no space for a conventional intercooler.

You could always look into water injection, though...

**Nalar** · 08-20-2002, 11:42 PM

Not to change the subject, but does Vortech have anything in the works for the SVT?

**belacyrf** · 08-21-2002, 12:07 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Nalar:

If we gained ~ 5hp with no form of FI with the CAI, I think another 5 on top of that is a reasonable estimate. Also, not so much the temperature of the air coming in, but the use of the less restrictive conical air filter. I'm not saying that those of us already with the CAI would gain another 10 on top of our current gains, but 10 over the quoted numbers Jackson claims when they use the stock system.

[ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: Nalar ]<hr></blockquote>

Maybe.. we'll just have to see. I think it will be a benefit... and if it's a 10 whp benefit then wonderful [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

**SlickShoes** · 08-21-2002, 12:47 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Nalar:
Not to change the subject, but does Vortech have anything in the works for the SVT?<hr></blockquote>

Someone posted in the FI forum not too long ago about how they had confirmed that Vortech was in fact beginning to work on an SC for the SVT. Take it as a rumor... but it sounds good to me.

I would absolutely love an intercooled twin-screw SC. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

03-29-2002, 11:04 PM	#1
SlickShoes Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever Posts: 7,682	News on the SVT JRSC I just figured I'd pass along the info I got from a phone call I had with Jackson Racing the other day. I was just speaking with the guy that answered the phone and have no idea how much "in the know" we really is, so take it as such... Apparently the kits will be available "a couple months after the first SVT's are delivered" and should be "slightly over $3k" (I was, and honestly, still am, expecting it to be more though). Apparently they are in the final stages of getting the CARB and 50 state legal status. He stated that they were seeing 213 HP at the wheels on pump gas but wasn't sure of the torque. According to a weight/hp->ET calculator, that would put it in the high 13's w/ weight at 2870 lbs... I don't really believe it, but it sounds good! http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/et_calculator.html I've also heard that the kit will include an upgraded fuel pump as well as some other small components to support the added performance. Anyone else have any info on this? Anyone else planning to get one? laters....

03-30-2002, 12:58 AM	#3
ZX3-GTR TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 123	Re: News on the SVT JRSC Yeah, I'm definately going to wait until all the facts come out. Thanks for the info though. [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

03-30-2002, 08:18 AM	#4
COSitsWORTHit Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin Tx, Better than your city. Posts: 4,071	Re: News on the SVT JRSC Hmmmmm turbo or S/C....

03-30-2002, 11:36 AM	#5
Slayer420 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN, USA Posts: 1,588	Re: News on the SVT JRSC I plan on possibly going with a SC or a turbo near the end of the warranty period. I figure around that time, I will be very used to the power to of the SVT and it will be a nice breath of life into the car at that time. Thanks for the info!

08-19-2002, 09:16 PM	#6
SlickShoes Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever Posts: 7,682	Re: News on the SVT JRSC Just a little bump. I called JRSC today and asked about the SC. When will it be available? -before the end of the year Will it keep the stock compression ratio? -yes Will it just use a black box type fuel system thingy similar to the Zetec's SC? -yes Any idea of a price range? -around $3k So, no major news. Just was glad to hear that I did get "Umm... we've shelved that since its blowing things up" or anything REALLY bad like that.

03-29-2002, 11:30 PM	#2
smogguy Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: denver colorado Posts: 78	Re: News on the SVT JRSC I am interested but want to wait for more info.

08-19-2002, 10:07 PM	#7
SVTRules TEAM Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Macomb, MI Posts: 371	Re: News on the SVT JRSC I'm curious as to if the S/C will run with an AEM CAI ... Is the stock airbox needed for that application, or can we fab something. I don't want the stock airbox in there.

08-20-2002, 12:40 AM	#8
Nalar Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oak Park, MI behind a 151 induced fireball Posts: 4,876	Re: News on the SVT JRSC If you look at the pictures in the May/June issue of SVT Enthusiast, you'll see (in picture #24) that the JRSC uses the stock intake system, airbox, snorkel and all... from the looks of it, I'm sure that the hose connecting the airbox and MAF to the SC can be manipulated to fit. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Sweet!!!! If their numbers are based on the stock intake system(which they are), we're sure to score another at least another ~10hp & ~10lbs/ft on top of their numbers with the better breathing!

08-20-2002, 12:46 AM	#9
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,282	Re: News on the SVT JRSC You'll be able to manipulate the AEM to fit the Jackson. You might need to do some cutting, but it'll be worth it. I don't think you'll be seeing 10 HP, because the air temp isn't going to make that big of a difference. But it should give you a little, and anything to lower the intake charge will be a benefit with that setup!

08-20-2002, 12:52 AM	#10
South.O.C. Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lookin for Photography work :) Posts: 1,426	Re: News on the SVT JRSC I wish they would just PRODUCE the system, and in a couple MONTHS when the hype is over and they are sitting in on the shelves, they will discount them to a REASONABLE PRICE $2000.00 [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] Some people are just greedy, and when they need to move the product maybe they will set a reasonable price. Most people will have to pay someone to install the SC. Shop rates are near $90 Hr @ 10 hours? = $900.00

08-20-2002, 12:53 AM	#11
xSilverSvtx TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: California Posts: 221	Re: News on the SVT JRSC Im not really into engines but those guys contemplating turbo vs. sc really have no argument, I mean correct me if im wrong but with that high of compression I dont think a turbos really gonna work. Am I right? I mean if you replaced the pistons with something lower compression I can see a benefit, but I think with the stock setup its much easier to SC.

08-20-2002, 01:26 AM	#12
SlickShoes Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever Posts: 7,682	Re: News on the SVT JRSC Boost is boost, whether it comes from a turbo or an SC. Both really don't like high compression. The big benefit of a turbo solution would be that an intercooler would be MUCH easier to add. As for installing the SC. They design these kits for the weekend mechanic to install in a garage. Granted you need to dyno and tune it at a reputable shop, the actual work required to install and get the kit running is not that complicated. I'm just hoping to get the kit and bribe some other SoCal folk (beer and pizza seems to always work) to help me install it over a weekend.

08-20-2002, 01:32 AM	#13
TbirdJayC TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Teaneck NJ Posts: 515	Re: News on the SVT JRSC Are we sure there is NO WAY to intercool this thing? The 89-95 TBird SC had a roots blower that was intercooled, as does the Allen Engine Development mustang kit. They use 2 different setups, the Tbirds was a traditional turbo like setup and the AED mounts the intercooler right under the blower and feeds it from the radiator. Im sure there are other examples, SLK? Just seems like with a little more engineering, we can be looking at a lot more power. Cooler shot, means we can push more boost (Duh...sorry if i insulted anyones intelligence). [ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: TbirdJayC ]</p>

08-20-2002, 02:05 AM	#14
dansmurf TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg NY /Nashville TN Posts: 819	Re: News on the SVT JRSC Anyone see the new SVT Enthusiast Mag. Check out the air-to-water cooler on page 22. I bet we could get it to fit. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img] [ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: dansmurf ]</p>

08-20-2002, 09:03 AM	#15
Nalar Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oak Park, MI behind a 151 induced fireball Posts: 4,876	Re: News on the SVT JRSC <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by belacyrf: You'll be able to manipulate the AEM to fit the Jackson. You might need to do some cutting, but it'll be worth it. I don't think you'll be seeing 10 HP, because the air temp isn't going to make that big of a difference. But it should give you a little, and anything to lower the intake charge will be a benefit with that setup!<hr></blockquote> If we gained ~ 5hp with no form of FI with the CAI, I think another 5 on top of that is a reasonable estimate. Also, not so much the temperature of the air coming in, but the use of the less restrictive conical air filter. I'm not saying that those of us already with the CAI would gain another 10 on top of our current gains, but 10 over the quoted numbers Jackson claims when they use the stock system. [ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: Nalar ]</p>

08-20-2002, 09:20 AM	#16
racerx [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 8,600	Re: News on the SVT JRSC <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by TbirdJayC: Are we sure there is NO WAY to intercool this thing?<hr></blockquote> The blowers on the Lightning and Mustang apps sit in the "V" of the engine...the ducting is totally different and allows the use of an intercooler. On the Focus, it blows directly into the combustion chambers, more or less. There's no space for a conventional intercooler. You could always look into water injection, though...

08-20-2002, 11:42 PM	#17
Nalar Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oak Park, MI behind a 151 induced fireball Posts: 4,876	Re: News on the SVT JRSC Not to change the subject, but does Vortech have anything in the works for the SVT?

08-21-2002, 12:07 AM	#18
belacyrf [FJ] Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my home is Posts: 17,282	Re: News on the SVT JRSC <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Nalar: If we gained ~ 5hp with no form of FI with the CAI, I think another 5 on top of that is a reasonable estimate. Also, not so much the temperature of the air coming in, but the use of the less restrictive conical air filter. I'm not saying that those of us already with the CAI would gain another 10 on top of our current gains, but 10 over the quoted numbers Jackson claims when they use the stock system. [ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: Nalar ]<hr></blockquote> Maybe.. we'll just have to see. I think it will be a benefit... and if it's a 10 whp benefit then wonderful [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

08-21-2002, 12:47 AM	#19
SlickShoes Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever Posts: 7,682	Re: News on the SVT JRSC <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Nalar: Not to change the subject, but does Vortech have anything in the works for the SVT?<hr></blockquote> Someone posted in the FI forum not too long ago about how they had confirmed that Vortech was in fact beginning to work on an SC for the SVT. Take it as a rumor... but it sounds good to me. I would absolutely love an intercooled twin-screw SC. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

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