CFM Dyno Test: SVT Stock Cat vs. Offroad Pipe vs. High Flow Cat

[jr_psychologist]

Originally Posted by CFM Focus

It is sold "for offroad use only" I'm sure it will pass emissions but it isn't and never will be C.A.R.B approved.

A fact which has everything to do with CARB regulations, and nothing to do with the quality or performance of the part. Keep up the fantastic work guys, it's definitely not going unnoticed. I'll be putting my money where my mouth this fall after I start my new job

[CFM Focus]

Originally Posted by roadrocket

The random Tech converter has one pipe welded on each side of the actual converter. There are no welds in the middle of the pipes.

So you're guaranteeing that the welds were done in a high school shop class? And if you can't find them, you've said all I need to know about quality. I know my opinions probably aren't popular and that's why I don't post very often. I just get real tired of seeing companies trying to rip off good products with stuff that's lower quality and then bad-mouthing the original. It's pretty obvious to anyone who has been around a bit that you're buying some cheap muffler shop converter, welding some pipe on each end and selling it as something it really isn't. Just my 2 cents.

We're not bad mouthing anybody and we have stated nothing but facts. If you "have been around a bit" then you would know that Magnaflow/CarSound is not junk. "selling it as something it really isn't"??? Whatever...

[02_SVT_Focus]

Send me one for a discount or one used for testing...i get inspected this month. NJ is pretty tight on smog. If i pass, its all good!

[macdiesel]

Damn, I feel like I'm on a zx2 forum with all the nonsensical debate over a new product for a car that isn't made anymore. Doesn't make sense. I'd rather support a company willing to come up with new stuff at a good price than sell over priced stuff. Oh, yeah I've owned a couple zx2's and product development is a little slow on the car.

[CFM Focus]

Originally Posted by 02_SVT_Focus

Send me one for a discount or one used for testing...i get inspected this month. NJ is pretty tight on smog. If i pass, its all good!

If you're serious, place an order and we will send you a used prototype to install for smog inspection. After you're done, ship the prototype back to us and if you decide you want one we will send you a new one and if not we will give you a full refund minus shipping. How does that sound?

[02_SVT_Focus]

Sounds like i need a pair of car ramps, $300 plus, and a little wrench time. Ill just pass my inspection before the month is up and order one within the next couple months after some jetters post their reviews. I was just being a cheap bastard! lol

[blucarz]

CFM - I don't care what anyone else says. I'm excited to get this bad boy and try it out. Guaranteed HS shop welds and all.

[Metal]

Can't wait to get mine and install it with the Borla...should sound mean.

[ArmyFocus]

Originally Posted by roadrocket

The random Tech converter has one pipe welded on each side of the actual converter. There are no welds in the middle of the pipes.

So you're guaranteeing that the welds were done in a high school shop class? And if you can't find them, you've said all I need to know about quality. I know my opinions probably aren't popular and that's why I don't post very often. I just get real tired of seeing companies trying to rip off good products with stuff that's lower quality and then bad-mouthing the original. It's pretty obvious to anyone who has been around a bit that you're buying some cheap muffler shop converter, welding some pipe on each end and selling it as something it really isn't. Just my 2 cents.

I think you should stop while you're ahead. Obviously you've never bought anything from CFM or dealt with them. They are a class act and they spend hours and hours making HIGH QUALITY parts in-house. They do great work and sell their parts for great prices. And seriously, do you think someone is going to look at your CAT and comment on the appearance? I doubt it. Go take your RT CAT and enjoy yourself and stop bad mouthing CFM.

Jason

[ArmyFocus]

I smell some competition, McNews just dropped the price on the RT CAT....

[Yel900rr]

No competition this is comparing apples to oranges. RT is working with us on this sale. The cat and quality speak for themselves. 2 totally different technologies in the cats. RT is without question better.

[scottsf0cus]

Now... if you could make one for the "standard ZETEC" folks, then I may be forced to buy one!

[cfmfocus2]

Originally Posted by Yel900rr

No competition this is comparing apples to oranges. RT is working with us on this sale. The cat and quality speak for themselves. 2 totally different technologies in the cats. RT is without question better.

The Rt high flow cat pipe is missing the following below when comparing it to the CFM high flow cat pipe. The CFM high flow cat pipe is a competing product to the RT high flow cat pipe. You would not of lowered the price on your RT high flow cat pipe if it was not.

- Instructions
- Heat shield
- Lower price.
- Oil pan clearance.

[02_SVT_Focus]

This thread is supposed to be about the C-F-M high flow cat, not about random technologies. Shame on mc news

[bluest170]

I've ordered one of the cfm high flow cats, My reasoning behind this is that whenever I have been on the live help on their website, They have always bent over backwards to help me, and I beleive they sell top quality products and their customer service is excellent.

O and another reason is I am from the UK and a friend of mine had a RT high flow cat and it failed within a month, what hassle that is when having to sort that out when you are a foreigner.

CFM get my vote here

[Ray]

Originally Posted by cfmfocus2

The Rt high flow cat pipe is missing the following below when comparing it to the CFM high flow cat pipe. The CFM high flow cat pipe is a competing product to the RT high flow cat pipe. You would not of lowered the price on your RT high flow cat pipe if it was not.

- Instructions
- Heat shield
- Lower price.
- Oil pan clearance.

Now i already have the RT piece and i'm very happy with it. However- that being said i think the following are reasons to consider the CFM piece (and i'm listing items detailed by CFM in this thread)

-Hardware - It would be nice if the RT piece included some hardware. When i installed mine i just used my own bolts, as i tend to keep a bunch around for random projects like this. No big deal if you dont have any, just go to the store and get some hardware. 5 bolts / 10 washers, 5 nuts, 5 lock washers. This aspect doesn't personally bother me, but it could be a deterrent for other potential customers.

-Heatshield- This i think could be a selling issue. Personally i'd like one at least near the oil pan.

-Oil pan clearance- At first this bothered me, but i haven't had any issues. 1/16" appears to be fine. *shrug*

-Instructions- It's 5 bolts and two o2 fittings... Maybe it's just me but i didn't need instructions. I'm sure others would enjoy reviewing them, however.

-Lower Price- As always, some members here are loyal to certain vendors. I've done business with both CFM and McNews numerous times in the past, and i think they are both great places to buy from. However, on the issue of lower price, i think this could be a huge deal, as we should always be loyal to ourselves first, right? Now if the price difference btwn the two units is $50... and one is known to be better (not that it's proven yet), in one year will you miss that $50?
*shrug*


edit: I'd also offer to do back to back dyno sessions on the CFM unit versus the RT unit, but my vehicle is far from stock and any changes may be exhaggerated. If you two (Ray, Hector) want me to let me know i'm going to the rollers in a week. Then again maybe i'm not the best candidate as i want to mess with that freakin' VCT.

[CFM Focus]

Originally Posted by 02_SVT_Focus

This thread is supposed to be about the C-F-M high flow cat, not about random technologies. Shame on mc news

x2!!!

[CFM Focus]

Originally Posted by ArmyFocus

I smell some competition, McNews just dropped the price on the RT CAT....

If we wanted to, we could drop our price beyond what they could but we're not.

Some people will buy RT no matter what and some people will by ours no matter what.

[CFM Focus]

Originally Posted by Yel900rr

No competition this is comparing apples to oranges. RT is working with us on this sale. The cat and quality speak for themselves. 2 totally different technologies in the cats. RT is without question better.

So why drop the price??? Makes no sense to me... Business 101

[Yel900rr]

Why try and cut our price from where it was if you brought out a comparable part. Cut your price we can do the same. You dynoed the cats back to back. You sell the RT cat I am glad we could send you some to try and imitate our pipe. We don't give parts away to stay in business because we don't have too.

[scottsf0cus]

Wow... all of this talk about business... I feel like I am in a college class again! I deleted the part I said about supply and demand, since that seemed to strike some nerves, and I was just pointing out what I thought the lowering of the price could be from. My mistake!

[CFM Focus]

Look, I could go on and on but at this point I refuse to. I have much more important things to take care of. We weren't trying to start anything with the introduction of this product and its price. You chose to make it a big deal. I hope you don't forget that. Hope business is going well. Have a nice day!

PS: Next time, please start your own thread!

[02_SVT_Focus]

All this argument about supply and demand and lowering prices against competition, how about you send out some complementary gifts lol. Take it easy guys. You are both well respected vendors, people have their preferences, some like it when there are vendor wars. Me on the other hand, i like to see the vendor being worried about their products and the people who buy them, not just about who is junk, whos is cheaper, or simply put "BUY OURS." I buy for customer service and quality product, not which vendor bashes the other one better.

Either way, keep up the good work McNews and C-F-M. And keep it clean so I can be loyal to both! (But bribes don't hurt!)

Tim

[Yel900rr]

Originally Posted by CFM Focus

Look, I could go on and on but at this point I refuse to. I have much more important things to take care of. We weren't trying to start anything with the introduction of this product and its price. You chose to make it a big deal. I hope you don't forget that. Hope business is going well. Have a nice day!

PS: Next time, please start your own thread!

Thanks It is going very well. I can't babysit the forum all day. I didn't make it a big deal just keeping the facts straight. Hope you had a good day, I did. You are always more than welcome to say whatever you have to say on any post I make. You have your section.

[scsvtfocus]

Where are the moderators?
To come on and bash some others competitors product is not professional.
Time will tell. People will figure it out.
Not to mention you are not even a sponsor. That's not business 101, but PR 101