Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest - Focaljet

**CaysE** · 05-19-2006, 01:43 AM

I am gauging and building interest in the SVT community in getting a complete set of lightweight billet aluminum pulleys made in stock sizes. The ballpark price is far less than I imagined when I mentioned this to CFM, read more details here: http://forums.focaljet.com/cfm/51173...t-pulleys.html

We would basically need 25 orders to get this ball rolling. FIRST THOUGH, I would like to know if you guys would be interested in only the three main pulleys (crank, water pump and alternator), OR if you would like the tensioner and idler pulleys included in this set. Personally, I would want all 5, but please tell me what you would be interested in and we can keep track.

Please note, I am organizing this product build for stock-sized pulleys on the SVT only, no under- or over-drive. This would require no belt changes and no guesswork.

Let's hear your opinions!

**dr_sebaz** · 05-19-2006, 03:49 AM

I think it's a decent idea

**COSVT03** · 05-19-2006, 03:56 AM

If you could get ALL the pullies with a better bearing type tentioner instead of sleeve type it would be awesome! I would also buy them for sure.

**ott** · 05-19-2006, 04:25 AM

I thought about this a while back. I went as far as going to Unorthodox Racing to get a quote.

**Evan_Murphy** · 05-19-2006, 07:56 AM

I'd be interested, but I need a price range and estimated power gains

**COSDEVSVT** · 05-19-2006, 11:51 AM

I think a solid Al crank pulley is a bad idea. The OE harmonic dampener does a lot of valuable cranktrain protection work all over the RPM range.

A great idea for the alt, w/p, p/s. The idler isn't likely to get much lighter than the OE.

You must have the Al pullies hard anodized. If not, the pulley surfaces will quickly get rough and start eating belts.

**COSVT03** · 05-19-2006, 11:56 AM

I'm going out on a limb here but im pretty sure your not going to save much weight on anything but the crank pully. - Also it wouldn't increase HORSEPOWER so to say. But it would increase throttle responce. *I think harmonics are a thing of the past if you ask me. But thats my opinion and most likely others will share a different opinion i'm sure.

**HTPerformance** · 05-21-2006, 01:15 AM

might this already be doable with what CFM is already producing?

You could buy the 5.7" overdrive pulley, and purchase the waterpump pulley from the UDP kit, and then an AEM alternator pulley. They should all be hard anodized aluminum.

Thoughts?

**CaysE** · 05-21-2006, 02:48 AM

STOCK SIZES people. No underdrive, no overdrive.

**ott** · 05-21-2006, 03:41 AM

Hard anodized aluminum versus cast iron? Of course there will be weight savings. I presume that the pulleys are all cast iron.

**COSVT03** · 05-21-2006, 05:06 AM

If I remember correctly there are just ounces of difference in the pullies for the water pump from stock to focus central's- But I really do want a set. In that black color they make everything. It's so awesome.

**econorocketZX3** · 05-21-2006, 11:05 AM

I'd be interested in this too........about to pick up an SVT for a new project car.

Has anyone ever contacted Fluidamper or a company like that specifically for the crank pullies on our cars? That way you can have a "lightened harmonic balancer" instead of just a crank pulley that might screw with things. This might be the perfect time for someone to do that, wink wink.

**f2t90** · 05-21-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COSDEVSVT

I think a solid Al crank pulley is a bad idea. The OE harmonic dampener does a lot of valuable cranktrain protection work all over the RPM range.

A great idea for the alt, w/p, p/s. The idler isn't likely to get much lighter than the OE.

You must have the Al pullies hard anodized. If not, the pulley surfaces will quickly get rough and start eating belts.

I agree with you on this.

I would not be interested in this, but its always good to see more parts available.
I just think that that there are other things you could spend the money on that would be more effective.

**COSVT03** · 05-21-2006, 08:54 PM

Ok goooo $160 dollars- What can I get that will do more for Throttle Response?!?!?

CFM- Could you maybe do a Set with Fuildamper?

**CFM Focus** · 05-21-2006, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COSVT03

Ok goooo $160 dollars- What can I get that will do more for Throttle Response?!?!?

CFM- Could you maybe do a Set with Fuildamper?

If we have a custom dampener made, it will be through ATI. They're not cheap.

**BlkThunder** · 05-22-2006, 01:44 PM

no custom dampers... we'll be just fine. there will have to be a $hitton of vibrations to damage our cranks. How many failed ones have we seen over the past 6 years?

I do like the bearing idea though.

**02_smurf** · 05-22-2006, 02:01 PM

Really, have we seen anyone's motor pop due to an UDP or other Non harmonic dampened pulley? Or any proof that a non dampened pulley has caused a zetec damage? I've been running my UDP for around 40-50k miles and it seems just fine, and I don't drive it nicely.

**COSVT03** · 05-23-2006, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFM Focus

If we have a custom dampener made, it will be through ATI. They're not cheap.

I was talking without the dampener

But one would be sweet!

**LeeBkr311** · 05-24-2006, 03:31 PM

I'd buy a full set... Dependent on price of course but, count me towards your 25 needed orders.

05-19-2006, 01:43 AM	#1
CaysE [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 7,571	Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest I am gauging and building interest in the SVT community in getting a complete set of lightweight billet aluminum pulleys made in stock sizes. The ballpark price is far less than I imagined when I mentioned this to CFM, read more details here: http://forums.focaljet.com/cfm/51173...t-pulleys.html We would basically need 25 orders to get this ball rolling. FIRST THOUGH, I would like to know if you guys would be interested in only the three main pulleys (crank, water pump and alternator), OR if you would like the tensioner and idler pulleys included in this set. Personally, I would want all 5, but please tell me what you would be interested in and we can keep track. Please note, I am organizing this product build for stock-sized pulleys on the SVT only, no under- or over-drive. This would require no belt changes and no guesswork. Let's hear your opinions! __________________ 2008 Cannondale F4 ··· Hi-brite · no mods (yet) 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· hehehehehehe strictly/focused "It would take a miracle to make the entire Focus community get along. FF vs FJ, F-P vs FS, tuner vs tuner, racer vs ricer. What can you do?"

05-19-2006, 03:49 AM	#2
dr_sebaz TEAM Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 185	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest I think it's a decent idea __________________ 2002 SVTF #1240(black) 163whp 141wtq on a Mustang dyno. AEM CAI, RT ORP, MSD coil and wires, Fidanza, CM stage 1, 180° Thermostat, ported throttle body, MAC rear motor mount. SOLD :( ............ Now: 07 Fusion V6

05-19-2006, 03:56 AM	#3
COSVT03 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 845	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest If you could get ALL the pullies with a better bearing type tentioner instead of sleeve type it would be awesome! I would also buy them for sure. __________________ #3052 of 3985

05-19-2006, 04:25 AM	#4
ott Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 65	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest I thought about this a while back. I went as far as going to Unorthodox Racing to get a quote. __________________ 2004 Competition Orange SVT Focus

05-19-2006, 07:56 AM	#5
Evan_Murphy TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Manasquan NJ Posts: 803	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest I'd be interested, but I need a price range and estimated power gains __________________ Fo·cused, v. intr. 3.To concentrate attention or energy 2003 Turbo SVT Focus

05-19-2006, 11:51 AM	#6
COSDEVSVT TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 993	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest I think a solid Al crank pulley is a bad idea. The OE harmonic dampener does a lot of valuable cranktrain protection work all over the RPM range. A great idea for the alt, w/p, p/s. The idler isn't likely to get much lighter than the OE. You must have the Al pullies hard anodized. If not, the pulley surfaces will quickly get rough and start eating belts. __________________ '04 PW (#1) Competition Orange SVT 5-door Euro

05-19-2006, 11:56 AM	#7
COSVT03 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 845	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest I'm going out on a limb here but im pretty sure your not going to save much weight on anything but the crank pully. - Also it wouldn't increase HORSEPOWER so to say. But it would increase throttle responce. *I think harmonics are a thing of the past if you ask me. But thats my opinion and most likely others will share a different opinion i'm sure. __________________ #3052 of 3985

05-21-2006, 01:15 AM	#8
HTPerformance TEAM Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,467	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest might this already be doable with what CFM is already producing? You could buy the 5.7" overdrive pulley, and purchase the waterpump pulley from the UDP kit, and then an AEM alternator pulley. They should all be hard anodized aluminum. Thoughts? __________________ *"Enabling you the opportunity to build your DREAM. We take ideas and turn them into reality."* BUY IT NOW! HTP Adjustable Rear Toe Arms - ORDER YOUR SET NOW! Zetec MAF Sensor Tubes now in stock! Duratec on the way!

05-21-2006, 02:48 AM	#9
CaysE [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 7,571	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest STOCK SIZES people. No underdrive, no overdrive. __________________ 2008 Cannondale F4 ··· Hi-brite · no mods (yet) 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· hehehehehehe strictly/focused "It would take a miracle to make the entire Focus community get along. FF vs FJ, F-P vs FS, tuner vs tuner, racer vs ricer. What can you do?"

05-21-2006, 03:41 AM	#10
ott Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 65	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest Hard anodized aluminum versus cast iron? Of course there will be weight savings. I presume that the pulleys are all cast iron. __________________ 2004 Competition Orange SVT Focus

05-21-2006, 05:06 AM	#11
COSVT03 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 845	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest If I remember correctly there are just ounces of difference in the pullies for the water pump from stock to focus central's- But I really do want a set. In that black color they make everything. It's so awesome. __________________ #3052 of 3985

05-21-2006, 11:05 AM	#12
econorocketZX3 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 3,036	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest I'd be interested in this too........about to pick up an SVT for a new project car. Has anyone ever contacted Fluidamper or a company like that specifically for the crank pullies on our cars? That way you can have a "lightened harmonic balancer" instead of just a crank pulley that might screw with things. This might be the perfect time for someone to do that, wink wink. __________________ Sponsors: Trubendz, ZX3tuning '00 turbo ZX3 - 224whp 228tq 13.38 1/4 - sold :( '02 SVT - Quaife, Spec Stg 2, Clutchnet alum fly, FC TB, K+N intake, FR header, MSD coil/wires, Predator tune, CFM hi-flo cat, FR multimatic, ST170's, euro grill, CFM dogbone, Steeda passenger side mount, plus some other crap. '07 Mazda CX-7 electric blue Touring - stock.......for now

05-21-2006, 08:54 PM	#14
COSVT03 TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 845	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest Ok goooo $160 dollars- What can I get that will do more for Throttle Response?!?!? CFM- Could you maybe do a Set with Fuildamper? __________________ #3052 of 3985

05-22-2006, 01:44 PM	#16
BlkThunder Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,377	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest no custom dampers... we'll be just fine. there will have to be a $hitton of vibrations to damage our cranks. How many failed ones have we seen over the past 6 years? I do like the bearing idea though. __________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. There’s nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.... Portal for those that are socially awkward!!!

05-22-2006, 02:01 PM	#17
02_smurf Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: With the wemenz: Em or mom Posts: 12,492	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest Really, have we seen anyone's motor pop due to an UDP or other Non harmonic dampened pulley? Or any proof that a non dampened pulley has caused a zetec damage? I've been running my UDP for around 40-50k miles and it seems just fine, and I don't drive it nicely. __________________ "I couldn't even get on it, I stabbed myself in the vagina!" -Name withheld to protect the drunkeded

05-24-2006, 03:31 PM	#19
LeeBkr311 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10	Re: Lightweight stock-size pulleys for the SVT... discussion and interest I'd buy a full set... Dependent on price of course but, count me towards your 25 needed orders.

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