M5? What M5? CTSi! - Focaljet

**focusdchaos** · 04-15-2002, 10:49 AM

From TCC
<blockquote>quote:<hr>

Cadillac will roll out a 400-horsepower version of its new CTS sedan early next year. The hotted-up CTS will draw power from the same LS6 engine used in the top-of-the-line Corvette Z06, and it will mark the launch of a new generation of high-performance Caddys, a program TheCarConnection first reported on last year. Tentatively named CTSi, the vehicle is aimed at a lofty standard: “the goal is to beat the (BMW) M5 in every turn,” says a GM source. Initially, there had been some expectations that the performance sedan would use either a modified Cadillac Northstar V-8 or even a supercharged version of the current CTS V-6. But cost, complexity and availability issues came into the equation—and GM’s product guru Bob Lutz, gave thumbs up to the LS6 package after driving a prototype. Some packaging changes will have to be made to the LS6, so exact specs are still undetermined, though the CTSi is being described as “blisteringly fast.” The big V-8 will be mated to a six-speed manual transmission. And there will be a subtle upgrade of the base CTS’s exterior and interior. Meanwhile, a “400-plus” horsepower XLR roadster is still on schedule using a supercharged version of the Northstar engine. It now appears, according to several Cadillac sources, that the powertrain will also feature a Formula One-style paddle shifting sequentially-shifting manual transmission.

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How yummy

**Wedge1212** · 04-15-2002, 10:57 AM

how american.....i still prefer my M5 to anything america puts on the road...not that i own a M5...but given the choice

**BosUnscene** · 04-15-2002, 03:09 PM

Yeah, that is so like a buch of Americans...putting a paddle shifter in....god when are they going to put some new technology in their cars....... [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

**CharlesP** · 04-15-2002, 10:58 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr> <hr></blockquote>Yeah, that is so like a buch of Americans...putting a paddle shifter in....god when are they going to put some new technology in their cars.......

[img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]
Its about damn time Caddy, gets with the program [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

**ZX3_Phocus** · 04-15-2002, 11:01 PM

good for them. i'm happy for them. not the price. but for them. [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

**konazx3** · 04-15-2002, 11:47 PM

Hahaha, I'd like to see a Caddy take on an M5, that would be some funny s.

Don't forget that Jaguar(Ford) also has a 400hp S-Type R that is coming our way, so Caddy is also up against that too.

[ 04-15-2002: Message edited by: konazx3 ]

**sicko** · 04-16-2002, 12:25 AM

I would settle with the ctsi or the xlr but i want my cien now!

**jeffmadott** · 04-16-2002, 08:11 AM

It's good to hear that there will be more competition for the M5. However, BMW will raise the bar again with the V10 M5 we've been hearing rumors about.

While competitors are trying to catch up, BMW keeps raising the bar.

**zx3punk** · 04-16-2002, 09:04 PM

Yeah, but it's about time Cadillac put some real wheels out..

**focalBlur** · 04-16-2002, 09:11 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by konazx3:
Hahaha, I'd like to see a Caddy take on an M5, that would be some funny s.

Don't forget that Jaguar(Ford) also has a 400hp S-Type R that is coming our way, so Caddy is also up against that too.

[ 04-15-2002: Message edited by: konazx3 ]<hr></blockquote>

the Jaguar is not that great, from a performance standpoint
Ford said they felt it's buys wanted a smooth car, not a fast and spoorty one, so it has a slow shifting tranny with tall gears [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

check out the current C&D they did a review on it

**focusdchaos** · 08-16-2002, 03:21 PM

CTSv

<blockquote>quote:<hr>
For Cadillac, the V-Series performance designation will mean a number of upgrades, including “substantially increased horsepower (possibly 350 to 400 hp on the CTS),” performance-tuned suspension, increased front air intake, dual exhaust with prominent pipes, bigger wheels, tires and brakes, standard Stabilitrak stability control and interior enhancements.
<hr></blockquote>

This is the Logo of the V-Series (Caddy's version of ///M, AMG, or SVT)

**inteller** · 08-16-2002, 03:27 PM

heh, looks like they got their logo ideas from both....

**ZX3 Canuck** · 08-16-2002, 05:41 PM

It's still a Caddy. I'll take the M5.

**focaljet-1** · 08-16-2002, 11:01 PM

Unfortunately Cadillac just bailed from their LeMans program. So ANY street cred they might have been stirring up is gone now.

http://www.speedtv.com/auto/?lvl=3a&cat=23&id=2879

**Cameroon** · 08-17-2002, 02:43 AM

I've driven the CTS it is one hell of a car for the cash, hard to belive it's GM. I'm hoping for GM's sake the Lutz turns things around. I think the real appeal of a CTSi will be the price, I'm sure it will come in at least $10k less than the M5.

**Kool_ZX3** · 08-18-2002, 12:44 AM

They could give it 600HP i woulnd't care it's still a GM and the damn thing is super fugly inside and out [img]graemlins/thumbdown.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbdown.gif[/img]

**Ducman69** · 08-18-2002, 01:13 AM

Gosh... if we were talking about people instead of cars I would call you guys all racists. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Its like when I try to talk about the new SVT Cobra or GT40 to a hardcore Honda (at minimum "import") buddy at work, its immediately dismissed as "Ford crap". [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

I'm like... ok brand loyalty is alright when purchasing, but how can you claim these are "crap" when you know absolutely NOTHING specific about the GT40 for example??? Ugh...

And while the M5 is still a gorgeous vehicle, its quite heavy at over 4K lbs already. If this hot-rod Caddy were out right now... mags are already raving about the handling of the current CTS, but in addition it'd have more power and torque with the excellent LS6 possibly mated to a 6-speed paddle shifter, while being a good 500lbs lighter. And like the SVT Focus is to the regular ZX3, it'd probably pick up some nice visual accents as well (trim, interior, wheels). The styling and luxury evaluation isn't quite as cut and dry, but it sounds like it would either match or exceed the M5s performance, which is nothing to laugh at.

This isn't a typical car that Cadillac is known for building, so why dismiss it based soley on the rep of the "old-man plush luxo-cruiser" models in their lineup? If you've seen and driven a CTS and "haaated it" (*two snaps*) then thats a different matter...

**Kool_ZX3** · 08-18-2002, 01:21 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Ducman69:
Gosh... if we were talking about people instead of cars I would call you guys all racists. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Its like when I try to talk about the new SVT Cobra or GT40 to a hardcore Honda (at minimum "import") buddy at work, its immediately dismissed as "Ford crap". [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

I'm like... ok brand loyalty is alright when purchasing, but how can you claim these are "crap" when you know absolutely NOTHING specific about the GT40 for example??? Ugh...

And while the M5 is still a gorgeous vehicle, its quite heavy at over 4K lbs already. If this hot-rod Caddy were out right now... mags are already raving about the handling of the current CTS, but in addition it'd have more power and torque with the excellent LS6 possibly mated to a 6-speed paddle shifter, while being a good 500lbs lighter. And like the SVT Focus is to the regular ZX3, it'd probably pick up some nice visual accents as well (trim, interior, wheels). The styling and luxury evaluation isn't quite as cut and dry, but it sounds like it would either match or exceed the M5s performance, which is nothing to laugh at.

This isn't a typical car that Cadillac is known for building, so why dismiss it based soley on the rep of the "old-man plush luxo-cruiser" models in their lineup? If you've seen and driven a CTS and "haaated it" (*two snaps*) then thats a different matter...<hr></blockquote>

I like some of the Caddy's out there but this one is Fugly i have been in one and and looked at it top to bottom it's fugly and underpowered for the price,Cheapo Gm interior like usual,Fugly and my bro hates it to.It may handle well but that's it.Not bashing Gm like i suaklly do b/c my dad owned 2 GM cars and will never go back.We own a Ford and it's the best most reliable car my dad ever owned next to his 76 Dodge Charger.The CTS is not my type of car,I will take a Lincoln LS over that anyday

**Ducman69** · 08-18-2002, 09:31 AM

Well, no doubt the styling is polorizing. You either hate it or love it. Oddly, to me the styling looks like a 40-50s interpretation of the future. Hard to argue its not bold and fresh though. Actually reminds me of the Aprilia Futura, which also took some getting used to from a styling standpoint but ended up being a GREAT ST performer. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Would look kinda neat to have those two parked next to each other. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] I thought the interior was very comfy (nice seats) and looked pretty decked out luxo wise. I only know M3s for comparison (haven't sat in a M5 to compare). The power argument kindof goes out the window if the CTSi is getting over 400hp and 400ftlbs though. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

[ 08-18-2002: Message edited by: Ducman69 ]

**galeano** · 08-19-2002, 12:54 AM

to me, cadillac=old people!

**sandmann41** · 08-19-2002, 12:57 AM

I really like the CTS. I would definitely drive one. [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

**skin graft** · 08-19-2002, 01:34 PM

Let's face it, the focus is a bit odd looking in ZX3 guise, but it also hadles very well. That it shares in common with the CTS. Embrace quirkiness. The world would be very boring if everyone looked the same. Oh and I don't care if Yugo built the car, if it's good, I'm interested. Brand loyalty is stupid. [img]graemlins/thumbdown.gif[/img]

**focusdchaos** · 04-14-2003, 09:45 PM

Quote:

2004 CADILLAC CTS-V SPECIFICATIONS
Vehicle type: 4/5-seat, 4-door, front-engine, rear wheel-drive, luxury performance sedan
Engine: aluminum 5.7-liter 16-valve V8
Horsepower: 400 @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 390 @ 4800 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Length: 194.5 in
Height: 58.1 in
Wheelbase: 115.2 in
Curb weight: 3847 lb
Tires: 245/45WR18 Goodyear run-flats
0 to 60 mph: less than 5 seconds
Top speed: 155+ mph
Price: $50,000 (est)

I said it before, and I will say it again... How yummy.

**Wedge1212** · 04-14-2003, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ducman69:
Gosh... if we were talking about people instead of cars I would call you guys all racists. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Its like when I try to talk about the new SVT Cobra or GT40 to a hardcore Honda (at minimum "import") buddy at work, its immediately dismissed as "Ford crap". [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

I'm like... ok brand loyalty is alright when purchasing, but how can you claim these are "crap" when you know absolutely NOTHING specific about the GT40 for example??? Ugh...

And while the M5 is still a gorgeous vehicle, its quite heavy at over 4K lbs already. If this hot-rod Caddy were out right now... mags are already raving about the handling of the current CTS, but in addition it'd have more power and torque with the excellent LS6 possibly mated to a 6-speed paddle shifter, while being a good 500lbs lighter. And like the SVT Focus is to the regular ZX3, it'd probably pick up some nice visual accents as well (trim, interior, wheels). The styling and luxury evaluation isn't quite as cut and dry, but it sounds like it would either match or exceed the M5s performance, which is nothing to laugh at.

This isn't a typical car that Cadillac is known for building, so why dismiss it based soley on the rep of the "old-man plush luxo-cruiser" models in their lineup? If you've seen and driven a CTS and "haaated it" (*two snaps*) then thats a different matter...

however cars are not people and that means i can hate anyone i choose. So I choose everything GM ****s out of its giant ass (minus the corvette)

edit

BTW M5 forever. There's just no freak'n way caddy will get enough outa this niche market benz and BMW own it.

[size="1"][ 04-14-2003, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: Wedge1212 ][/size]

**flat 4** · 04-14-2003, 10:00 PM

Dam, that is way to much cash. If I wanted to spend $50k on a car it sure as hell wouldn't be a hot rod Caddy.
I can think that the WRX STi will easily run with it from the factory, then throw $20k of mods at the STi and say good bye to about anything ever driven on the road.
Still, for a Caddy, I think that the styling and performance of the CTS are on the right track. It ain't a sofa driving down the streets any longer.
Cheers.

04-15-2002, 10:49 AM	#1
focusdchaos [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 8,353	M5? What M5? CTSi! From TCC <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Cadillac will roll out a 400-horsepower version of its new CTS sedan early next year. The hotted-up CTS will draw power from the same LS6 engine used in the top-of-the-line Corvette Z06, and it will mark the launch of a new generation of high-performance Caddys, a program TheCarConnection first reported on last year. Tentatively named CTSi, the vehicle is aimed at a lofty standard: “the goal is to beat the (BMW) M5 in every turn,” says a GM source. Initially, there had been some expectations that the performance sedan would use either a modified Cadillac Northstar V-8 or even a supercharged version of the current CTS V-6. But cost, complexity and availability issues came into the equation—and GM’s product guru Bob Lutz, gave thumbs up to the LS6 package after driving a prototype. Some packaging changes will have to be made to the LS6, so exact specs are still undetermined, though the CTSi is being described as “blisteringly fast.” The big V-8 will be mated to a six-speed manual transmission. And there will be a subtle upgrade of the base CTS’s exterior and interior. Meanwhile, a “400-plus” horsepower XLR roadster is still on schedule using a supercharged version of the Northstar engine. It now appears, according to several Cadillac sources, that the powertrain will also feature a Formula One-style paddle shifting sequentially-shifting manual transmission. <hr></blockquote> How yummy

04-15-2002, 10:57 AM	#2
Wedge1212 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 5,089	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! how american.....i still prefer my M5 to anything america puts on the road...not that i own a M5...but given the choice

04-15-2002, 03:09 PM	#3
BosUnscene Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: MA Posts: 3,300	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! Yeah, that is so like a buch of Americans...putting a paddle shifter in....god when are they going to put some new technology in their cars....... [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

04-15-2002, 10:58 PM	#4
CharlesP Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Yokosuka, Japan Posts: 68	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> <hr></blockquote>Yeah, that is so like a buch of Americans...putting a paddle shifter in....god when are they going to put some new technology in their cars....... [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] Its about damn time Caddy, gets with the program [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

04-15-2002, 11:01 PM	#5
ZX3_Phocus TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Dagnasty hotel Posts: 715	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! good for them. i'm happy for them. not the price. but for them. [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

04-15-2002, 11:47 PM	#6
konazx3 TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Littleton, CO, USA Posts: 846	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! Hahaha, I'd like to see a Caddy take on an M5, that would be some funny s. Don't forget that Jaguar(Ford) also has a 400hp S-Type R that is coming our way, so Caddy is also up against that too. [ 04-15-2002: Message edited by: konazx3 ]</p>

04-16-2002, 12:25 AM	#7
sicko Not so Photo Master Join Date: May 2001 Location: high altitude SICKness! Posts: 13,294	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! I would settle with the ctsi or the xlr but i want my cien now!

04-16-2002, 08:11 AM	#8
jeffmadott TEAM Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 621	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! It's good to hear that there will be more competition for the M5. However, BMW will raise the bar again with the V10 M5 we've been hearing rumors about. While competitors are trying to catch up, BMW keeps raising the bar.

04-16-2002, 09:04 PM	#9
zx3punk TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 330	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! Yeah, but it's about time Cadillac put some real wheels out..

04-16-2002, 09:11 PM	#10
focalBlur Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD, USA Posts: 2,857	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by konazx3: Hahaha, I'd like to see a Caddy take on an M5, that would be some funny s. Don't forget that Jaguar(Ford) also has a 400hp S-Type R that is coming our way, so Caddy is also up against that too. [ 04-15-2002: Message edited by: konazx3 ]<hr></blockquote> the Jaguar is not that great, from a performance standpoint Ford said they felt it's buys wanted a smooth car, not a fast and spoorty one, so it has a slow shifting tranny with tall gears [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] check out the current C&D they did a review on it

08-16-2002, 03:21 PM	#11
focusdchaos [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 8,353	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! CTSv <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> For Cadillac, the V-Series performance designation will mean a number of upgrades, including “substantially increased horsepower (possibly 350 to 400 hp on the CTS),” performance-tuned suspension, increased front air intake, dual exhaust with prominent pipes, bigger wheels, tires and brakes, standard Stabilitrak stability control and interior enhancements. <hr></blockquote> This is the Logo of the V-Series (Caddy's version of ///M, AMG, or SVT)

08-16-2002, 03:27 PM	#12
inteller Senior TEAM Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,433	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! heh, looks like they got their logo ideas from both....

08-16-2002, 05:41 PM	#13
ZX3 Canuck Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 3,178	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! It's still a Caddy. I'll take the M5.

08-16-2002, 11:01 PM	#14
focaljet-1 Small Car Czar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: On the RotorMedia helipad Posts: 29,076	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! Unfortunately Cadillac just bailed from their LeMans program. So ANY street cred they might have been stirring up is gone now. http://www.speedtv.com/auto/?lvl=3a&cat=23&id=2879

08-17-2002, 02:43 AM	#15
Cameroon [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wherever peculiar people congregate Posts: 5,384	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! I've driven the CTS it is one hell of a car for the cash, hard to belive it's GM. I'm hoping for GM's sake the Lutz turns things around. I think the real appeal of a CTSi will be the price, I'm sure it will come in at least $10k less than the M5.

08-18-2002, 12:44 AM	#16
Kool_ZX3 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 3,149	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! They could give it 600HP i woulnd't care it's still a GM and the damn thing is super fugly inside and out [img]graemlins/thumbdown.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbdown.gif[/img]

08-18-2002, 01:13 AM	#17
Ducman69 I pretend to know everything. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,745	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! Gosh... if we were talking about people instead of cars I would call you guys all racists. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Its like when I try to talk about the new SVT Cobra or GT40 to a hardcore Honda (at minimum "import") buddy at work, its immediately dismissed as "Ford crap". [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] I'm like... ok brand loyalty is alright when purchasing, but how can you claim these are "crap" when you know absolutely NOTHING specific about the GT40 for example??? Ugh... And while the M5 is still a gorgeous vehicle, its quite heavy at over 4K lbs already. If this hot-rod Caddy were out right now... mags are already raving about the handling of the current CTS, but in addition it'd have more power and torque with the excellent LS6 possibly mated to a 6-speed paddle shifter, while being a good 500lbs lighter. And like the SVT Focus is to the regular ZX3, it'd probably pick up some nice visual accents as well (trim, interior, wheels). The styling and luxury evaluation isn't quite as cut and dry, but it sounds like it would either match or exceed the M5s performance, which is nothing to laugh at. This isn't a typical car that Cadillac is known for building, so why dismiss it based soley on the rep of the "old-man plush luxo-cruiser" models in their lineup? If you've seen and driven a CTS and "haaated it" (two snaps) then thats a different matter...

08-18-2002, 01:21 AM	#18
Kool_ZX3 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 3,149	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ducman69: Gosh... if we were talking about people instead of cars I would call you guys all racists. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Its like when I try to talk about the new SVT Cobra or GT40 to a hardcore Honda (at minimum "import") buddy at work, its immediately dismissed as "Ford crap". [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] I'm like... ok brand loyalty is alright when purchasing, but how can you claim these are "crap" when you know absolutely NOTHING specific about the GT40 for example??? Ugh... And while the M5 is still a gorgeous vehicle, its quite heavy at over 4K lbs already. If this hot-rod Caddy were out right now... mags are already raving about the handling of the current CTS, but in addition it'd have more power and torque with the excellent LS6 possibly mated to a 6-speed paddle shifter, while being a good 500lbs lighter. And like the SVT Focus is to the regular ZX3, it'd probably pick up some nice visual accents as well (trim, interior, wheels). The styling and luxury evaluation isn't quite as cut and dry, but it sounds like it would either match or exceed the M5s performance, which is nothing to laugh at. This isn't a typical car that Cadillac is known for building, so why dismiss it based soley on the rep of the "old-man plush luxo-cruiser" models in their lineup? If you've seen and driven a CTS and "haaated it" (two snaps) then thats a different matter...<hr></blockquote> I like some of the Caddy's out there but this one is Fugly i have been in one and and looked at it top to bottom it's fugly and underpowered for the price,Cheapo Gm interior like usual,Fugly and my bro hates it to.It may handle well but that's it.Not bashing Gm like i suaklly do b/c my dad owned 2 GM cars and will never go back.We own a Ford and it's the best most reliable car my dad ever owned next to his 76 Dodge Charger.The CTS is not my type of car,I will take a Lincoln LS over that anyday

08-18-2002, 09:31 AM	#19
Ducman69 I pretend to know everything. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,745	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! Well, no doubt the styling is polorizing. You either hate it or love it. Oddly, to me the styling looks like a 40-50s interpretation of the future. Hard to argue its not bold and fresh though. Actually reminds me of the Aprilia Futura, which also took some getting used to from a styling standpoint but ended up being a GREAT ST performer. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] Would look kinda neat to have those two parked next to each other. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] I thought the interior was very comfy (nice seats) and looked pretty decked out luxo wise. I only know M3s for comparison (haven't sat in a M5 to compare). The power argument kindof goes out the window if the CTSi is getting over 400hp and 400ftlbs though. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [ 08-18-2002: Message edited by: Ducman69 ]</p>

08-19-2002, 12:54 AM	#20
galeano Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: ohio Posts: 1,592	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! to me, cadillac=old people!

08-19-2002, 12:57 AM	#21
sandmann41 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Frederick, Md Posts: 20,066	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! I really like the CTS. I would definitely drive one. [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

08-19-2002, 01:34 PM	#22
skin graft TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: St.Louis MO. USA Posts: 814	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! Let's face it, the focus is a bit odd looking in ZX3 guise, but it also hadles very well. That it shares in common with the CTS. Embrace quirkiness. The world would be very boring if everyone looked the same. Oh and I don't care if Yugo built the car, if it's good, I'm interested. Brand loyalty is stupid. [img]graemlins/thumbdown.gif[/img]

04-14-2003, 10:00 PM	#25
flat 4 TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Anywhere but here, MN Posts: 511	Re: M5? What M5? CTSi! Dam, that is way to much cash. If I wanted to spend $50k on a car it sure as hell wouldn't be a hot rod Caddy. I can think that the WRX STi will easily run with it from the factory, then throw $20k of mods at the STi and say good bye to about anything ever driven on the road. Still, for a Caddy, I think that the styling and performance of the CTS are on the right track. It ain't a sofa driving down the streets any longer. Cheers.

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