[FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online - Focaljet

**focaljet-1** · 12-18-2002, 01:15 AM

Please review them here.

The staff and moderators have developed these to help clear up any "gray areas" regarding posting on Focaljet. Most are simply common sense, please read and abide by them.

The guidelines will evolve over time, based on need.

Please feel free to ask for clairification on any guidelines in this thread.

Thanks,
Ron

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**Halo** · 12-18-2002, 01:18 AM

Can we write out own declaration of independence from those? =)

~Steve

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**focaljet-1** · 12-18-2002, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halo:
Can we write out own delclaration of independence from those? =)

~Steve

Sure, here you go. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

**Halo** · 12-18-2002, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wrcfan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Halo:
Can we write out own delclaration of independence from those? =)

~Steve

Sure, here you go. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] <hr /></blockquote>I didn't need to reply to this, but I saw that coming a quater mile away.

[img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

~Steve

**MadDawg-Zx3** · 12-18-2002, 01:24 AM

I read them...I understand them...I have no problems with them...

I must say whoever wrote those wrote them very well and they are perfectly easy to understand

MadDawg-Zx3
Team NorCal

**tdot-zx3** · 12-18-2002, 01:38 AM

AHHH .. what happened to ..

DO NOT ask for money for personal reasons, we all dont care that you want us to pay for your stuff.

?!?!?!?????

**focaljet-1** · 12-18-2002, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tdot-zx3:
AHHH .. what happened to ..

DO NOT ask for money for personal reasons, we all dont care that you want us to pay for your stuff.

?!?!?!?????

That issue is being reviewed and very well may make it into the next version. I wanted to get these up before the end of the year as a starting point.

**tdot-zx3** · 12-18-2002, 01:43 AM

Sounds very good!

Glad its still in the back of your mind!

[img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

**PGZX3** · 12-18-2002, 04:36 AM

[img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] I will do my best to follow these, though I admit, I can be mindless at times [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

**Hi-Risk** · 12-18-2002, 05:17 AM

Hmm...I guess I'll try my best to follow these guidelines. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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**zx3steve14** · 12-18-2002, 05:19 AM

i would like to see the some clear definitions between an "argument" and a "discussion" the GUDE TURBO thread could be seen as an argument but some useful information was attained and this has been the case in many other circumstances as well.

references to programs such as kazaa will get me a one week ban?
"No cross-posting (posting links in one FJ forum to a thread in another FJ forum). " does this mean i cant post any links in any thread that leads to another forum?
"Observe all copyright laws when posting material. NOTE: DO NOT post images that are copyrighted by Brenda Priddy & Company. If you use material from another web site, please give that site/person appropriate credit. "
does this mean i a should upgrade my bibliography skills to 5.0? give me a more clear example of this please.
"False/Extreme loading of our site or server is strictly prohibited.* "
not sure what this means. please define a little more clearly.

**Ray** · 12-18-2002, 05:37 AM

about the 'do not cross post' where you can't post a link to another focaljet thread... i find that helpful if i can't find someinformation and drew (FOK) or michealxi post the thread where it was contained. [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

**SaTaNcLaUz** · 12-18-2002, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by demonfire:
about the 'do not cross post' where you can't post a link to another focaljet thread... i find that helpful if i can't find someinformation and drew (FOK) or michealxi post the thread where it was contained. [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

no thats ok, its just those people that start the same thread in multiple areas, or like a thread stating "go here http://www.focaljet.com/thread because more people will see it here"

stuff like that

pointing someone to another thread for information/clarification is perfectly fine, its just the "cross posting" thats the problem

**SaTaNcLaUz** · 12-18-2002, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zx3steve14:
i would like to see the some clear definitions between an "argument" and a "discussion" the GUDE TURBO thread could be seen as an argument but some useful information was attained and this has been the case in many other circumstances as well.

references to programs such as kazaa will get me a one week ban?
"No cross-posting (posting links in one FJ forum to a thread in another FJ forum). " does this mean i cant post any links in any thread that leads to another forum?
"Observe all copyright laws when posting material. NOTE: DO NOT post images that are copyrighted by Brenda Priddy & Company. If you use material from another web site, please give that site/person appropriate credit. "
does this mean i a should upgrade my bibliography skills to 5.0? give me a more clear example of this please.
"False/Extreme loading of our site or server is strictly prohibited.* "
not sure what this means. please define a little more clearly.

ok, ill try my best on this one:

i would like to see the some clear definitions between an "argument" and a "discussion" the GUDE TURBO thread could be seen as an argument but some useful information was attained and this has been the case in many other circumstances as well.

example: argument

joe: yo i just got the gude turbo and its awesome!

mac: STFU GUDE SUCKS ****! GET A REAL TURBO!

example: discussion

joe: yo i just go the gude turbo and its awesome!

mac: from my experiance the ______ turbo has shown me different curves and higher torque ... etc...

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references to programs such as kazaa will get me a one week ban?

Not necessairly, programs like Kazaa provide more than just illegal content (sorta), its not the P2P filesharing technology that is unlawful, just the illegality of acquiring copyrighted/liscensed material, like, talking how you just downloaded the newest version of Photoshop while listening to that new Metallica cd ( [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] ) and watching LotR-TT on VCD

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"No cross-posting (posting links in one FJ forum to a thread in another FJ forum). " does this mean i cant post any links in any thread that leads to another forum?

see above post by me

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"Observe all copyright laws when posting material. NOTE: DO NOT post images that are copyrighted by Brenda Priddy & Company. If you use material from another web site, please give that site/person appropriate credit. "
does this mean i a should upgrade my bibliography skills to 5.0? give me a more clear example of this please.

if i acquire content to answer a question, or post a new thread with information, i always provide a source, for example, when someone asked a question about kregal exercises, i found some techniques and posted them, but i also included a link to the site where i foud it.

just state your sources, and give proper... uh, props! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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"False/Extreme loading of our site or server is strictly prohibited.* "
not sure what this means. please define a little more clearly.

i'm not exactly sure everythin that this entails, but, dont be a script kiddie punk and try to call yourself a hacker and launch a DDoS attack on the servers to try to overload it [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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i hope that helps! and anyone please correct me if i am wrong on anything [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

-Rob

**zx3steve14** · 12-18-2002, 06:44 AM

WOW! sure is nice to get a straight answer once in awhile around here! thanks a lot man!

**SaTaNcLaUz** · 12-18-2002, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zx3steve14:
WOW! sure is nice to get a straight answer once in awhile around here! thanks a lot man!

[img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] i try [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

**Virtual_Insanity** · 12-18-2002, 07:20 AM

I read the [FJ] Official Guidelines and agree to the terms and usage [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] .

Jim

FlaFocus · 12-18-2002, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by demonfire:
about the 'do not cross post' where you can't post a link to another focaljet thread... i find that helpful if i can't find someinformation and drew (FOK) or michealxi post the thread where it was contained. [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

I thought "cross posting" was like you post photos of your G2G in your section then you go to Team Rigs and post a link back to your section ?? To me thats "cross posting".

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**P-51** · 12-18-2002, 07:56 AM

Yup, that Gude thread was not an "argument". Sure, it got a little hot at times, but it never needed to be locked. It became a "heated debate" but I think what pushes things over the edge is when people start calling eachother names and such. That never happened in that thread.

Yes, the thread was heated, and there were direct attacks on products, but the attacks were mostly founded on data and facts.

If that type of discussion is not allowed, then this will become nothing but a "Happy Happy Joy Joy Forum" in which case it really would serve no useful function.

**MMI-ZX3** · 12-18-2002, 08:46 AM

Quote:

DO NOT use Focaljet.com copyrighted images without providing proper credit(s).

So if you use a pic or link to a pic that is copyrighted that has the focaljet.com logo, that is enough credit correct?? As long as the logo is not cropped.

OOPS I meant to hit quote and I hit edit. Anyway, your question is answered below. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

In a word, yes. All I ask is that if you use an original image from the site is that you give a cred somehow. If the pic already has a logo then perfect. Otherwise just a link or blurb is fine.

I encourage people to use our images, it helps generate interest in the site from outside parties. The guideline is basically your standard, run-of-the-mill "don't rip my **** off" comment. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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**BUR_ZX3** · 12-18-2002, 01:03 PM

Hmmm... seems the whole "community standard" has been overlooked.

I don't disagree with anything in particular... but it seems that the position is "we don't like it so it won't happen." Which, I could say is by right of ownership. However, the mentioning of something pertaining to Kazaa getting a vacation? Come on now. That seems a little over the top. For Focaljet to deny its out there is insane, and irresponsible. Members carry their own liability in these issues. FJ is not running a file server which stored illicit material, and as such their hands are essentially clean. (and again, I use kazaa for legal purposes anyway... )

As for post-whoring resulting in a permaban.... could you define to what extent deserves that? I've posted something that might be considered "post-whorish" at times, because I find a thing I might comment on. The haze here, were it law, would render it unconstitutional (again, its your site, not ours... but still in the general interest in an open community).

Thats all I've got for now. Keep up the good work, and thanks for having us in!

**SaTaNcLaUz** · 12-18-2002, 01:26 PM

BUR, i tried to clarify the KaZaA thing in my long post above

but about the "whoring", random excessive pointless posts does nothing but clog/clutter the board up, you know? [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

i think that one will be more of a case-by-case matter since there could be very legit reasons to post multiple threads in any certain area, but, there again, if someone is just bored and makes 20 threads.... they NEED a vacation, and go outside or something! [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

[img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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and of course, this is how i am interpreting the rules, if i am incorrect someone chime in [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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**Rally Man** · 12-18-2002, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BUR_ZX3:
As for post-whoring resulting in a permaban.... could you define to what extent deserves that? I've posted something that might be considered "post-whorish" at times, because I find a thing I might comment on. The haze here, were it law, would render it unconstitutional (again, its your site, not ours... but still in the general interest in an open community).

But do you do this all the time? By your statement above, you seem that in a few ocations you've done it, like youd say "because I find a thing I might comment on". But if you do it all the time with out really contributing anything to any threads, then that's when it's just nonsense.

Any clearer? [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

**BUR_ZX3** · 12-18-2002, 01:50 PM

But the wording is so vague that the "subject to the interpretation of FJ staff" is wide open. I'm not asking for a definitive "post 3 threads in 5 minutes that are pointless and ye shall be banned" but I'm saying that its vague and can be abused.

Actually my point would be to try and prevent anybody from being able to cry "moderator abuse." I don't care if Mods/Admins shut something down, but I don't like hearing a grumble among us minions about how crappy the mods are treating people. True or false... it lowers morale, and ultimately can be the demise of the site. In a way I'm lookin out for the total team.

**SaTaNcLaUz** · 12-18-2002, 02:06 PM

ok, how bout as an example: (just using you as an example JMcQueen [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] )

JMcQueen posted a few threads in a row (or within an hour or so) for different computer problems in OT, "I" think that was justified. even more-so when the subjects/threads describe the specific problem, then you dont have a single thread with 8 questions inside of it and it can get very hard to read!

but, a while back, there was someone who started about 6 threads in rapid succession that were "Whats your favorite _____" and that was out of line if you ask me, if you are going to ask those questions, spread them out!

also, if some newbie (or vet) is posting a single word in a post just to kick up their count, or just causing a rukus, that is abusing it.

thats where the "up to interpretation by FJ staff comes in"

nome sane? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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12-18-2002, 01:15 AM	#1
focaljet-1 Small Car Czar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: On the RotorMedia helipad Posts: 29,076	[FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online Please review them here. The staff and moderators have developed these to help clear up any "gray areas" regarding posting on Focaljet. Most are simply common sense, please read and abide by them. The guidelines will evolve over time, based on need. Please feel free to ask for clairification on any guidelines in this thread. Thanks, Ron [size="1"][ 12-18-2002, 01:16 AM: Message edited by: wrcfan ][/size]

12-18-2002, 01:18 AM	#2
Halo [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 5,224	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online Can we write out own declaration of independence from those? =) ~Steve [size="1"][ 12-18-2002, 01:20 AM: Message edited by: Halo ][/size]

12-18-2002, 01:24 AM	#5
MadDawg-Zx3 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Los Banos CA Posts: 1,398	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online I read them...I understand them...I have no problems with them... I must say whoever wrote those wrote them very well and they are perfectly easy to understand MadDawg-Zx3 Team NorCal

12-18-2002, 01:38 AM	#6
tdot-zx3 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the toilet seat Posts: 5,129	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online AHHH .. what happened to .. DO NOT ask for money for personal reasons, we all dont care that you want us to pay for your stuff. ?!?!?!?????

12-18-2002, 01:43 AM	#8
tdot-zx3 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the toilet seat Posts: 5,129	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online Sounds very good! Glad its still in the back of your mind! [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

12-18-2002, 04:36 AM	#9
PGZX3 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Debi > post whoring Posts: 8,746	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] I will do my best to follow these, though I admit, I can be mindless at times [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img]

12-18-2002, 05:17 AM	#10
Hi-Risk [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Waipahu, HI Posts: 9,310	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online Hmm...I guess I'll try my best to follow these guidelines. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] [size="1"][ 12-18-2002, 05:42 AM: Message edited by: Hi-Risk ][/size]

12-18-2002, 05:19 AM	#11
zx3steve14 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Motha****ing MAFM Headquarters!\| arvada, CO \| posts: eleventy billion Posts: 2,282	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online i would like to see the some clear definitions between an "argument" and a "discussion" the GUDE TURBO thread could be seen as an argument but some useful information was attained and this has been the case in many other circumstances as well. references to programs such as kazaa will get me a one week ban? "No cross-posting (posting links in one FJ forum to a thread in another FJ forum). " does this mean i cant post any links in any thread that leads to another forum? "Observe all copyright laws when posting material. NOTE: DO NOT post images that are copyrighted by Brenda Priddy & Company. If you use material from another web site, please give that site/person appropriate credit. " does this mean i a should upgrade my bibliography skills to 5.0? give me a more clear example of this please. "False/Extreme loading of our site or server is strictly prohibited.* " not sure what this means. please define a little more clearly.

12-18-2002, 05:37 AM	#12
Ray Driver > Car Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CT Posts: 26,722	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online about the 'do not cross post' where you can't post a link to another focaljet thread... i find that helpful if i can't find someinformation and drew (FOK) or michealxi post the thread where it was contained. [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

12-18-2002, 06:44 AM	#15
zx3steve14 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Motha****ing MAFM Headquarters!\| arvada, CO \| posts: eleventy billion Posts: 2,282	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online WOW! sure is nice to get a straight answer once in awhile around here! thanks a lot man!

12-18-2002, 07:20 AM	#17
Virtual_Insanity Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: (Jim) Boca Raton,Florida USA Posts: 9,983	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online I read the [FJ] Official Guidelines and agree to the terms and usage [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] . Jim

12-18-2002, 07:56 AM	#19
P-51 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brighton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 14,940	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online Yup, that Gude thread was not an "argument". Sure, it got a little hot at times, but it never needed to be locked. It became a "heated debate" but I think what pushes things over the edge is when people start calling eachother names and such. That never happened in that thread. Yes, the thread was heated, and there were direct attacks on products, but the attacks were mostly founded on data and facts. If that type of discussion is not allowed, then this will become nothing but a "Happy Happy Joy Joy Forum" in which case it really would serve no useful function.

12-18-2002, 01:03 PM	#21
BUR_ZX3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: On the Set of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation Posts: 35,639	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online Hmmm... seems the whole "community standard" has been overlooked. I don't disagree with anything in particular... but it seems that the position is "we don't like it so it won't happen." Which, I could say is by right of ownership. However, the mentioning of something pertaining to Kazaa getting a vacation? Come on now. That seems a little over the top. For Focaljet to deny its out there is insane, and irresponsible. Members carry their own liability in these issues. FJ is not running a file server which stored illicit material, and as such their hands are essentially clean. (and again, I use kazaa for legal purposes anyway... ) As for post-whoring resulting in a permaban.... could you define to what extent deserves that? I've posted something that might be considered "post-whorish" at times, because I find a thing I might comment on. The haze here, were it law, would render it unconstitutional (again, its your site, not ours... but still in the general interest in an open community). Thats all I've got for now. Keep up the good work, and thanks for having us in!

12-18-2002, 01:26 PM	#22
SaTaNcLaUz Moderator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: (Rob) Indianapolis, Indiana, USA Posts: 8,364	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online BUR, i tried to clarify the KaZaA thing in my long post above but about the "whoring", random excessive pointless posts does nothing but clog/clutter the board up, you know? [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] i think that one will be more of a case-by-case matter since there could be very legit reasons to post multiple threads in any certain area, but, there again, if someone is just bored and makes 20 threads.... they NEED a vacation, and go outside or something! [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] <edit> and of course, this is how i am interpreting the rules, if i am incorrect someone chime in [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] </edit> [size="1"][ 12-18-2002, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: SaTaNcLaUz ][/size]

12-18-2002, 01:50 PM	#24
BUR_ZX3 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: On the Set of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation Posts: 35,639	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online But the wording is so vague that the "subject to the interpretation of FJ staff" is wide open. I'm not asking for a definitive "post 3 threads in 5 minutes that are pointless and ye shall be banned" but I'm saying that its vague and can be abused. Actually my point would be to try and prevent anybody from being able to cry "moderator abuse." I don't care if Mods/Admins shut something down, but I don't like hearing a grumble among us minions about how crappy the mods are treating people. True or false... it lowers morale, and ultimately can be the demise of the site. In a way I'm lookin out for the total team.

12-18-2002, 02:06 PM	#25
SaTaNcLaUz Moderator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: (Rob) Indianapolis, Indiana, USA Posts: 8,364	Re: [FJ] Official Guidelines are now posted online ok, how bout as an example: (just using you as an example JMcQueen [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] ) JMcQueen posted a few threads in a row (or within an hour or so) for different computer problems in OT, "I" think that was justified. even more-so when the subjects/threads describe the specific problem, then you dont have a single thread with 8 questions inside of it and it can get very hard to read! but, a while back, there was someone who started about 6 threads in rapid succession that were "Whats your favorite _____" and that was out of line if you ask me, if you are going to ask those questions, spread them out! also, if some newbie (or vet) is posting a single word in a post just to kick up their count, or just causing a rukus, that is abusing it. thats where the "up to interpretation by FJ staff comes in" nome sane? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [size="1"][ 12-18-2002, 02:08 PM: Message edited by: SaTaNcLaUz ][/size]