Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring - Focaljet

**sleeperlove** · 08-28-2008, 12:05 PM

New VipAr ACR ran a 7:22
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/27/u...-22-1-w-video/

Let angry banter about why this isn't fair begin.

**Ataru** · 08-28-2008, 12:15 PM

With 5:38 (and at 1:13) left in the video you can see him shift into 5th when he meant 3rd, so you know there is a faster lap in there too.....

That car has GOT to have TONS of low end torque, I was surprised to see how many times he let it bounce off the reve limiter instead of shifting.

**jinstall** · 08-28-2008, 12:16 PM

I thought the ZR-1 had a 7:16? Oh well that is cool though.

OK I watched that an saw several mistakes, driver and car. Good run though. Good run.

**Ducman69** · 08-28-2008, 12:19 PM

7:26 I thought.

The driver is an underage Chinese girl on growth hormone. Disqualified!

The ACR is the racing version, and Dodge is pretty serious w/ the ACRs. Did they do any retuning of the suspension for this year? We know the Vipers can be fast, as the Viper racing team used to pwn all the Ferraris and Porsches and everything for ages until the Vette team showed up in force. All the articles though indicated that while the Viper can sustain a metric crapload of God's G's, it was really twitchy at the limit. So either they've tuned that out, or gotten a fearless skilled driver who just don't give a ****.

**jinstall** · 08-28-2008, 12:30 PM

The latter, the driver is really pushing the car hard. There are several spots you can see the car 4 wheel drift and if you have driven the Ring well, you know how those spots react. Also it is amazing how much time the car spent on the rev-limiter.

**cjmartinyzx3** · 08-28-2008, 12:34 PM

down the whole straight the car was on the limiter.. i dont know why he didnt shift it... sounded like he would hit the limiter and let go for a second and get right back on just to be on the limiter again in 5 seconds... weird.

**Maxximtl** · 08-28-2008, 12:42 PM

Its a race car. Of course it should be faster. I am surprised it didn't beat the ZR-1 by a wider margin. It generates tons of downforce and has DOT race tires on it.

If anything, this just proves how great the ZR-1 is......lapping not much slower and providing daily driver comfort and utility.

**natedog_1959** · 08-28-2008, 12:45 PM

With a car like the ACR, you are moving away from street car and getting into race car territory. I would throw in the Radical SR3's lap time of 7:19.7. It is considered a production street car in some parts of the world. The SR8 is also road legal in many countries. It turned a 6:55. Nate

**Chalz** · 08-28-2008, 01:02 PM

There's something beautiful about the sound of a Viper. The scream of a Ferrari does it for a lot of people, but to me, the Viper makes a sound that just speaks, "Grab your nuts and hold on tight...cause I have no clue what's about to happen!" I <3 it.

**Ducman69** · 08-28-2008, 01:09 PM

Ewww! The Viper is the worst sounding engine ever made. Its like a big tractor with a Borla.

The Vettes is so-so as far as big V8s. Ford makes the best ones sound wise.

**blueovaldave** · 08-28-2008, 01:10 PM

Someone else said it but there is a ton more time in that lap.

He is killing the rev limiter all over the place and missed a shift.

I think the ACR is more race car than street car though. I know I would hate to have to daily drive an SRT-4 ACR.

**jinstall** · 08-28-2008, 01:15 PM

From the visdeos of the ZR-1 and the ACR they both bottom out equally on the track. The Viper is heavy as well. Even the ZakSpeed Viper is turning not much faster times.

**OmniFocus** · 08-28-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blueovaldave

I know I would hate to have to daily drive an SRT-4 ACR.

The SRT-4 ACR is kind of a different case... the ACR badge isn't backed by much that would make it any worse of a daily driver than the standard SRT-4.

**Ducman69** · 08-28-2008, 01:24 PM

We have an SRT4 ACR, and its an awesome daily driver!

It gets quite a bit of little tweaks actually, but the lighter wheel/tire package doesn't hurt anything, and although the springs and adjustable dampers are different, they aren't overly stiff or anything, and the seats are race buckets, yeah, but if you aren't fat or super muscular they are quite comfy and have plenty of padding.

Tons of fun and I like borrowing that car cuz no matter how retarded it is it just kinda goes where you point it and if you give it too much gas it just claws and then understeers gently, so its brainless to go crazy with it heheh!

**panchocito** · 08-28-2008, 03:09 PM

Less than $100k, not bad.

**Jared** · 08-28-2008, 09:51 PM

Yeah the ACR is SICK, but with that car you start throwing adjustable suspension and aero in the mix and that's just a whole 'nother ballgame. I forget which magazine shootout I read recently but it was the ACR versus some other stuff on multiple tracks and the Dodge guys were there tuning the suspension to each different track, that is obviously a plus in a comparison.

**cjmartinyzx3** · 08-28-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared

Yeah the ACR is SICK, but with that car you start throwing adjustable suspension and aero in the mix and that's just a whole 'nother ballgame. I forget which magazine shootout I read recently but it was the ACR versus some other stuff on multiple tracks and the Dodge guys were there tuning the suspension to each different track, that is obviously a plus in a comparison.

saw that when i was at Drew's not that long ago.. that car did well vs. all the other cars but like you said they were adjusting stuff where the other cars stayed the same. like the lambo, the porsche, the ZR-1 and the GTR. not really fair if you ask me.

**Z63R** · 08-28-2008, 10:02 PM

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Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring

Judging by some of the credible replies in this thread this seems to be a case of a street tire getting 'pwnt' by a racing tire, nothing more.

I'm "meh" on clicking the link 'cause I'm not a big fan of the Viper. Dunno why. Maybe it's because of the douche pickles that brought Viper roadsters to open track events in the '90s... you know, the dudes that can't drive but will wear their driving suits to breakfast and then later, never give anyone a point-by when they're clearly out-driven on track.

**natedog_1959** · 08-28-2008, 11:35 PM

I beat up on a Viper at an auto-x. The owner brought it on a trailer, with street tires, and spun on 3 out of his 5 runs. I think I had him by about 4-6 seconds on a 45-60 second course. This was definitely a case of the driver being beaten, not the car. Nate

**Ducman69** · 08-29-2008, 07:37 AM

AutoX is also too low of a speed to take advantage of the cars power and massive brakes and so forth, and is more a test of how well a car does w/ transitions being flicked quickly side to side w/ little momentum behind it. Little cars like the Miata pwn the big boys in that arena.

**natedog_1959** · 08-29-2008, 08:15 AM

A C5 Corvette Z06 took FTD at that event. It was a big fast course. Nate

**Hocky** · 08-29-2008, 10:05 AM

There is no such things as a big, fast autox course. haha

Viper is flying for sure, but in all fairness it is a race car. Put the other cars on competitive tires and see what happens.

**sleeperlove** · 08-29-2008, 11:22 AM

I don't know what the GT-R tires are but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't close to R compound.

But the ZR-1 would still be missing aero and probably be a second or 2 off if the viper wasn't spending so much time on its limiter.

I would like to see a race between the ACR and ZR-1 with the aero and tires on the Zr-1 on a smaller normal race track. I think it would be quite the battle.

**HuTcH** · 08-29-2008, 11:46 AM

imho the ZR1 is FACTORY and the ACR viper is a 3rd party Tweaked version... the ZR1 obviously has a lot more potential for aero, some suspension, brake upgrades, and a bigger pulley on the SC... you let gibbs or someone get their hands on it I expect the same results..

Then you take street tires to race tires... and to my knowledge the GTR used their standard GTR street tire as well which would be along the lines of the ZR-1 tire.

**sleeperlove** · 08-29-2008, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuTcH

imho the ZR1 is FACTORY and the ACR viper is a 3rd party Tweaked version... the ZR1 obviously has a lot more potential for aero, some suspension, brake upgrades, and a bigger pulley on the SC... you let gibbs or someone get their hands on it I expect the same results..

Then you take street tires to race tires... and to my knowledge the GTR used their standard GTR street tire as well which would be along the lines of the ZR-1 tire.

The Zr-1 Is no more factory than the ACR.
It already has more power and brakes than the Viper. It is just lacking in the Tire, Aero, and suspension departments. None of us know really how much it is lacking there at least not in the suspension and aero depts.

08-28-2008, 12:05 PM	#1
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the dirt Posts: 8,514	Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring New VipAr ACR ran a 7:22 http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/27/u...-22-1-w-video/ Let angry banter about why this isn't fair begin. __________________ I'm in ur posts changin ur werdz.

08-28-2008, 12:15 PM	#2
Ataru Team Sonic Racing Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Where the winds come sweeping down the plains Posts: 11,492	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring With 5:38 (and at 1:13) left in the video you can see him shift into 5th when he meant 3rd, so you know there is a faster lap in there too..... That car has GOT to have TONS of low end torque, I was surprised to see how many times he let it bounce off the reve limiter instead of shifting. __________________ Owner of SONIC - 2003 Sonic Blue SVT Focus ZX5 Yes, Sonic has a Car Domain Page [FJ] focaljet - GUIDELINES - GALLERY - [FJ]WALLPAPER - STORE - SPONSORS - SEARCH - Any Questions?

08-28-2008, 12:16 PM	#3
jinstall [FJ] Addict Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Manassas/Ft Belvoir VA Posts: 12,985	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring I thought the ZR-1 had a 7:16? Oh well that is cool though. OK I watched that an saw several mistakes, driver and car. Good run though. Good run. Last edited by jinstall : 08-28-2008 at 12:26 PM.

08-28-2008, 12:19 PM	#4
Ducman69 I pretend to know everything. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,752	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring 7:26 I thought. The driver is an underage Chinese girl on growth hormone. Disqualified! The ACR is the racing version, and Dodge is pretty serious w/ the ACRs. Did they do any retuning of the suspension for this year? We know the Vipers can be fast, as the Viper racing team used to pwn all the Ferraris and Porsches and everything for ages until the Vette team showed up in force. All the articles though indicated that while the Viper can sustain a metric crapload of God's G's, it was really twitchy at the limit. So either they've tuned that out, or gotten a fearless skilled driver who just don't give a ****. __________________ i'm pissy cuz my ear hurts so bad! :(

08-28-2008, 12:30 PM	#5
jinstall [FJ] Addict Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Manassas/Ft Belvoir VA Posts: 12,985	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring The latter, the driver is really pushing the car hard. There are several spots you can see the car 4 wheel drift and if you have driven the Ring well, you know how those spots react. Also it is amazing how much time the car spent on the rev-limiter.

08-28-2008, 12:34 PM	#6
cjmartinyzx3 NA Zetec Driver //// Where Bolt ons + Cams = 120whp Join Date: May 2005 Location: Marysville, MI Posts: 3,135	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring down the whole straight the car was on the limiter.. i dont know why he didnt shift it... sounded like he would hit the limiter and let go for a second and get right back on just to be on the limiter again in 5 seconds... weird. __________________ Proud member of the 140k+ mile club 2001 zx3 crower stg3 cams/FC race header/2.5in exhaust/intake/tune/all poly mounts/H&R sport springs/KYB AGX dampers/SVT RSB/CM stg3 clutch/CM lightweight flywheel/Torsen T2 LSD/SVT front and rear bumper/SVT grill and headlights Waiting to build my SVT block for more powah!!

08-28-2008, 12:42 PM	#7
Maxximtl [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In the trunk Posts: 5,722	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring Its a race car. Of course it should be faster. I am surprised it didn't beat the ZR-1 by a wider margin. It generates tons of downforce and has DOT race tires on it. If anything, this just proves how great the ZR-1 is......lapping not much slower and providing daily driver comfort and utility.

08-28-2008, 12:45 PM	#8
natedog_1959 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,291	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring With a car like the ACR, you are moving away from street car and getting into race car territory. I would throw in the Radical SR3's lap time of 7:19.7. It is considered a production street car in some parts of the world. The SR8 is also road legal in many countries. It turned a 6:55. Nate __________________ 2004 SVT Focus Black w/ red inserts, HID's, Audiophile. Show: Euro Upper Grille, Tinted Corners, 5% tint on rear three windows, Black EAP Wheels w/ black lug nuts. Go: Steeda STS, SRI, STB, 2 Mounts, MSD Coil/Wires, Side Gapped Cu Plugs, SS Brake Lines, F2 Rear Sway, SRF Throttle Body, ORP, Borla Exhaust, Grounding Kit, SVT Salvage battery box and Odyssey battery, COSDEVSVT Harness Bar, Corbeau Harness, 215/45/17 Dunlop Z1's, Multimatic/KYB suspension, P-51 shims, Centric rotors/Hawk HPS pads.

08-28-2008, 01:09 PM	#10
Ducman69 I pretend to know everything. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,752	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring Ewww! The Viper is the worst sounding engine ever made. Its like a big tractor with a Borla. The Vettes is so-so as far as big V8s. Ford makes the best ones sound wise. __________________ i'm pissy cuz my ear hurts so bad! :(

08-28-2008, 01:10 PM	#11
blueovaldave Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fredrick, Md Posts: 2,813	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring Someone else said it but there is a ton more time in that lap. He is killing the rev limiter all over the place and missed a shift. I think the ACR is more race car than street car though. I know I would hate to have to daily drive an SRT-4 ACR. __________________ 2001 S2 Liquid Grey, PWSC 243 hp, 190 lb/tq SPONSORS WANTED "I may not have won alot of races, but I never lost a party."Ken Schrader

08-28-2008, 01:15 PM	#12
jinstall [FJ] Addict Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Manassas/Ft Belvoir VA Posts: 12,985	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring From the visdeos of the ZR-1 and the ACR they both bottom out equally on the track. The Viper is heavy as well. Even the ZakSpeed Viper is turning not much faster times.

08-28-2008, 01:24 PM	#14
Ducman69 I pretend to know everything. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,752	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring We have an SRT4 ACR, and its an awesome daily driver! It gets quite a bit of little tweaks actually, but the lighter wheel/tire package doesn't hurt anything, and although the springs and adjustable dampers are different, they aren't overly stiff or anything, and the seats are race buckets, yeah, but if you aren't fat or super muscular they are quite comfy and have plenty of padding. Tons of fun and I like borrowing that car cuz no matter how retarded it is it just kinda goes where you point it and if you give it too much gas it just claws and then understeers gently, so its brainless to go crazy with it heheh! __________________ i'm pissy cuz my ear hurts so bad! :(

08-28-2008, 03:09 PM	#15
panchocito Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: i'll be back Posts: 3,505	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring Less than $100k, not bad. __________________ 07sunlightsilvermazdaspeed3gt 02sangriaredfocuszx3

08-28-2008, 09:51 PM	#16
Jared Moderator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allentown, PA Posts: 15,803	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring Yeah the ACR is SICK, but with that car you start throwing adjustable suspension and aero in the mix and that's just a whole 'nother ballgame. I forget which magazine shootout I read recently but it was the ACR versus some other stuff on multiple tracks and the Dodge guys were there tuning the suspension to each different track, that is obviously a plus in a comparison.

08-28-2008, 11:35 PM	#19
natedog_1959 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,291	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring I beat up on a Viper at an auto-x. The owner brought it on a trailer, with street tires, and spun on 3 out of his 5 runs. I think I had him by about 4-6 seconds on a 45-60 second course. This was definitely a case of the driver being beaten, not the car. Nate __________________ 2004 SVT Focus Black w/ red inserts, HID's, Audiophile. Show: Euro Upper Grille, Tinted Corners, 5% tint on rear three windows, Black EAP Wheels w/ black lug nuts. Go: Steeda STS, SRI, STB, 2 Mounts, MSD Coil/Wires, Side Gapped Cu Plugs, SS Brake Lines, F2 Rear Sway, SRF Throttle Body, ORP, Borla Exhaust, Grounding Kit, SVT Salvage battery box and Odyssey battery, COSDEVSVT Harness Bar, Corbeau Harness, 215/45/17 Dunlop Z1's, Multimatic/KYB suspension, P-51 shims, Centric rotors/Hawk HPS pads.

08-29-2008, 07:37 AM	#20
Ducman69 I pretend to know everything. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,752	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring AutoX is also too low of a speed to take advantage of the cars power and massive brakes and so forth, and is more a test of how well a car does w/ transitions being flicked quickly side to side w/ little momentum behind it. Little cars like the Miata pwn the big boys in that arena. __________________ i'm pissy cuz my ear hurts so bad! :(

08-29-2008, 08:15 AM	#21
natedog_1959 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,291	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring A C5 Corvette Z06 took FTD at that event. It was a big fast course. Nate __________________ 2004 SVT Focus Black w/ red inserts, HID's, Audiophile. Show: Euro Upper Grille, Tinted Corners, 5% tint on rear three windows, Black EAP Wheels w/ black lug nuts. Go: Steeda STS, SRI, STB, 2 Mounts, MSD Coil/Wires, Side Gapped Cu Plugs, SS Brake Lines, F2 Rear Sway, SRF Throttle Body, ORP, Borla Exhaust, Grounding Kit, SVT Salvage battery box and Odyssey battery, COSDEVSVT Harness Bar, Corbeau Harness, 215/45/17 Dunlop Z1's, Multimatic/KYB suspension, P-51 shims, Centric rotors/Hawk HPS pads.

08-29-2008, 10:05 AM	#22
Hocky Dyno Queen Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 6,769	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring There is no such things as a big, fast autox course. haha Viper is flying for sure, but in all fairness it is a race car. Put the other cars on competitive tires and see what happens. __________________ Holier than thou.

08-29-2008, 11:22 AM	#23
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the dirt Posts: 8,514	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring I don't know what the GT-R tires are but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't close to R compound. But the ZR-1 would still be missing aero and probably be a second or 2 off if the viper wasn't spending so much time on its limiter. I would like to see a race between the ACR and ZR-1 with the aero and tires on the Zr-1 on a smaller normal race track. I think it would be quite the battle. __________________ I'm in ur posts changin ur werdz.

08-29-2008, 11:46 AM	#24
HuTcH TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 416	Re: Gt-R & ZR-1 PWNT at the ring imho the ZR1 is FACTORY and the ACR viper is a 3rd party Tweaked version... the ZR1 obviously has a lot more potential for aero, some suspension, brake upgrades, and a bigger pulley on the SC... you let gibbs or someone get their hands on it I expect the same results.. Then you take street tires to race tires... and to my knowledge the GTR used their standard GTR street tire as well which would be along the lines of the ZR-1 tire.