Toyota pulls out of F1

[Peloton25]

Another interesting note on the Toyota story being reported by F1Live.com:

Toyota has rejected the idea of following the example of fellow carmakers Honda and BMW in selling its team as a going concern.

Honda withdrew from F1, the Japanese carmaker agreed to hand over its Brackley-based team to managers including Ross Brawn and Nick Fry for a nominal sum. When BMW made the decision to leave the sport, it was sold to the Qadbak consortium.

However, team president John Howett said those options have "already been discussed and rejected" by the Toyota Motor Corporation.

"Maybe these ideas can be reopened but, at the moment, it would appear not," he told the Times.

>8^)
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[MichaelXi]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

There's also very little about F1 tire construction that trickles down into a marketable product to consumers, so at the end of the day you get some fancy race cars in your advertising photos and the ability to claim you are the "Official tire supplier of Formula 1." Yay...

I was under the impression that there was more "trickle down", and that the prestige and advertising was worth more.
It'll be tough to race with no tires.
Maybe they can open it up to an R-Compound "Open Field" and let men be men!

[thefrush]

Originally Posted by Apex clipper

Football has more fans than any sport in the world.

Fact.

And Formula 1 is number 2.

[Apex clipper]

Originally Posted by thefrush

And Formula 1 is number 2.

Is baseball that popular apart from America/Cuba/Japan?

I prefer the NBA...or Gridiron.

[ZX3autoxtasy]

Originally Posted by Apex clipper

Is baseball that popular apart from America/Cuba/Japan?

I prefer the NBA...or Gridiron.

Worldwide, I'd say F1 probably is number 2.

Baseballs up there.

NFL football is up there.


The problem with those is they almost have a niche fanbase. While lots of people "watch" the NFL and MLB, the people that rabidly follow them are different than those that follow Soccer or F1. When the F1 plays in the US, I find myself staying up till 3am watching qualifying, or waking up at 7am to watch the race. I really only think F1 is more popular because it has a worldwide fanbase. I sincerely doubt its more popular than any of those in the United States.

The NFL is weird though. My COLLEGE football stadium seats 92,000 people... while almost no NFL stadiums sit that many (except the new Cowboys stadium and a few exceptions).

Hell, I'd even venture to say College football is more popular in the U.S. (on a fan by fan basis) than the NFL.

[thefrush]

Originally Posted by ZX3autoxtasy

Worldwide, I'd say F1 probably is number 2.

No probably about it, it is.

[huskybruiserjr]

actually toyota pulled out to pursue there involvement in nascar instead of f1

[tymeks]

"Hell, I'd even venture to say College football is more popular in the U.S. (on a fan by fan basis) than the NFL. "

I think thats because they have been around for a hundred years and don't swap owners and towns every 20 years, just like soccer has been around for 100 years.

[bR0Ken_H3arT]

F1 has around 70 million viewers for popular races, I don't know how that compares to NBA.

[MichaelXi]

Originally Posted by bR0Ken_H3arT

F1 has around 70 million viewers for popular races, I don't know how that compares to NBA.

What's NBA?

[Apex clipper]

Originally Posted by MichaelXi

What's NBA?

National braille association..read it and weep M*****trucker.

[sleeperlove]

Originally Posted by MichaelXi

What's NBA?

You can't be serious

[Apex clipper]

Originally Posted by sleeperlove

YOU can't be serious

Does Micheal live in a cupboard?

What's the name of the player that had the tagline of 'the glove'.

[Rockefela]

Originally Posted by Apex clipper

Does Micheal live in a cupboard?

What's the name of the player that had the tagline of 'the glove'.

The only point guard ever to win the NBA Defensive Player of the Year award, Payton is widely considered one of the greatest of all time at that position.[1][2] He was selected to the NBA All-Defensive First Team nine times, an NBA record he shares with Michael Jordan. His tenacious defense also earned him the nickname "The Glove". As the story goes, Payton's cousin called him during the 1993 Western Conference Finals series against Phoenix and told him, "you're holding Kevin Johnson like a baseball in a glove," and the nickname was born.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Payton

[Apex clipper]

Originally Posted by Rockefela

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Payton

Thanks.

What a player!!! Staying up too the wee small hours,on an obscure channel..had me sat there, salivating.

[Hitokiri]

Originally Posted by slidemaster

other motorsports like Time Attack, which is growing

I never got the idea of time attack. Its basically like drag racing because you're trying to get the best time in one lap on a track in a certain field with rules in certain time limit. To me time attacking doesn't show the total potential of the car, driver, or team. For me going all out and making a flying qualifying lap (which time attack basically is) is suppose to be for fighting spots on a grid not for use as a sport itself. As we can see in sports like F1 because you have a great qualifying car doesn't mean you have a good "race" car.

The argument is "If you like auto-x why can't you appreciate time attack which basically is the same principles". Wrong. Auto-x has cones and drawn boundaries that cannot be crossed or you well be penalized for not being more mindful or skillful of his/her surroundings. Time attack as long as you have a great qualifying car and even if you make mistakes on the road course - you'll be okay. That doesn't show the discipline of auto-x at all. Its all about money in time attack. In auto-x if you have skill you always have a chance at winning.

Sorry to rant. At the end everyone to his/her own.

[MichaelXi]

Originally Posted by Apex clipper

Does Micheal live in a cupboard?

What's the name of the player that had the tagline of 'the glove'.

You guys are silly and gullible.
Of COURSE I know what the NBA is.... I'm just saying that I don't care one bit.
NFL, OK.
Baseball,... REALLY Boring, but fun to play, so I could see kids wanting to watch it.
Soccer is truly a global game even though there are only a couple of parts of the world with "Top" Pro Teams.
Hockey,... I can see watching it if you grew up in a Cold Climate where it was a common game for kids to play.
For me, keeping up with the NBA is a Complete snooze.
IF I wanted to watch basketball, it would definitely be College games rather than the NBA.

[Apex clipper]

Originally Posted by MichaelXi

You guys are silly and gullible.

Or sarcastic.

[sleeperlove]

Originally Posted by Hitokiri

I never got the idea of time attack. Its basically like drag racing because you're trying to get the best time in one lap on a track in a certain field with rules in certain time limit. To me time attacking doesn't show the total potential of the car, driver, or team. For me going all out and making a flying qualifying lap (which time attack basically is) is suppose to be for fighting spots on a grid not for use as a sport itself. As we can see in sports like F1 because you have a great qualifying car doesn't mean you have a good "race" car.

The argument is "If you like auto-x why can't you appreciate time attack which basically is the same principles". Wrong. Auto-x has cones and drawn boundaries that cannot be crossed or you well be penalized for not being more mindful or skillful of his/her surroundings. Time attack as long as you have a great qualifying car and even if you make mistakes on the road course - you'll be okay. That doesn't show the discipline of auto-x at all. Its all about money in time attack. In auto-x if you have skill you always have a chance at winning.

Sorry to rant. At the end everyone to his/her own.

Exactly, there are no boundaries on a road course at all, in fact its way faster to run in the grass all the way around. I can't believe no one has discovered this yet since there is no penalty for running off of the asphalt.

Also if you don't think autocross is all about money or having the right car on a national stage you are blind.

[thefrush]

Originally Posted by Hitokiri

The argument is "If you like auto-x why can't you appreciate time attack which basically is the same principles". Wrong. Auto-x has cones and drawn boundaries that cannot be crossed or you well be penalized for not being more mindful or skillful of his/her surroundings. Time attack as long as you have a great qualifying car and even if you make mistakes on the road course - you'll be okay. That doesn't show the discipline of auto-x at all. Its all about money in time attack. In auto-x if you have skill you always have a chance at winning.

[Hitokiri]

Originally Posted by sleeperlove

Also if you don't think autocross is all about money or having the right car on a national stage you are blind.

Auto-x is expensive but I doubt the disparity is as great as we find in time attacks. Time attack cars are usually fully funded for what? To find the best one time lap? I mean we're talking thousands upon thousands of dollars to find one lap? That makes no sense to me.

I see time attacks going the same way drifting and sport compact drag racing went. It might be big now but it won't last because it's already starting to out grow itself. I think it has hit its peak and that's it. How is the average person suppose to appreciate something that they have no ambitions which they can get involved in and be competitive?

[BOWERSdaAZIAN]

Originally Posted by Hitokiri

...Its all about money in time attack...

So your saying that Clint B (See Redline Time Attack points standings) has a chance to take NATIONAL Street class FWD cause he has more money then everyone else???

Time Attack is nowhere near its peak, hell it just took off a few years back thanks to Redline and a few other venues. Despite it being a 'qualifying' lap, it is a great place to benchmark and showcase the latest and greatest in performance products for your car. FSWerks did just that with their STC car. It dominated the competition with outstanding performance results. Its a safe assumption to say that their win gave people more confidence in their products and gave them exponentially more notoriety. While the hype may end, i think it will continue to have strong support till the end.

[Hitokiri]

Originally Posted by BOWERSdaAZIAN

So your saying that Clint B (See Redline Time Attack points standings) has a chance to take NATIONAL Street class FWD cause he has more money then everyone else???

Hay. If he's traveling around the USA and if one guy misses just one event because he has to work or doesn't have money - then yes. Doesn't that show he has more money in itself?

Look at the disparity in points in his class. This just proves that many of the competitors have either entered just once or not even near enough to challenge Clint B in points standings. That's money right there.

Time Attack is nowhere near its peak, hell it just took off a few years back thanks to Redline and a few other venues. Despite it being a 'qualifying' lap, it is a great place to benchmark and showcase the latest and greatest in performance products for your car. FSWerks did just that with their STC car. It dominated the competition with outstanding performance results. Its a safe assumption to say that their win gave people more confidence in their products and gave them exponentially more notoriety. While the hype may end, i think it will continue to have strong support till the end.

And this is what killed things like NHRA sport compact drag racing and even other things like the SPEED World Challenge. The hype was big then it fell when the sponsors pulled out due to lack of exposure (tuner fans are cheap and won't spend the money, time, or effort to go to events after a while) and the cost of the cars totally outweighed the profits. Time Attack is not the way to support your company if the model is leave once the wind out of the sails - that's selfish and foolish IMO.

To spend so much money on ONE LAP - that just makes my head hurt.

[BOWERSdaAZIAN]

Clint isnt traveling around the country. The farthest east he has traveled was Nevada. This upcoming weekend he will be facing off with the east coast champ who is coming to California Speedway. Missing an event due to work is a different issue, im sure some people had to miss an event even though they had plenty of money but work interfered.

And SPEED World Challenge is still running, though i dont follow anything NHRA. Maybe the pizazz has worn down a bit, but its still a premier racing organization acting like a stepping stone to much bigger and better things. Time Attack isnt just one lap either, its usually best of three. And if your fortunate enough to make all the events in a season it levels out substantially. You must remember that most participants run 2 full days during a time attack event. Testing and tuning, race preparation, getting everything dialed in to make the final push. Major manufacturers feud daily over Nurburgring Nordschleife times. I dont see how "so much money on ONE LAP" is soooo much. Anyone can participate given they have a car much like the one listed in your sig. Thats what im doing, hopefully next year ill have the opportunity and funding to make it a full season.

Basically what im trying to say is that money isnt the biggest determining factor. Sure it might play a decent chunk, but just like any sport, skill still prevails as the ultimate decider.

[sleeperlove]

Originally Posted by Hitokiri

Hay. If he's traveling around the USA and if one guy misses just one event because he has to work or doesn't have money - then yes. Doesn't that show he has more money in itself?

Look at the disparity in points in his class. This just proves that many of the competitors have either entered just once or not even near enough to challenge Clint B in points standings. That's money right there.



And this is what killed things like NHRA sport compact drag racing and even other things like the SPEED World Challenge. The hype was big then it fell when the sponsors pulled out due to lack of exposure (tuner fans are cheap and won't spend the money, time, or effort to go to events after a while) and the cost of the cars totally outweighed the profits. Time Attack is not the way to support your company if the model is leave once the wind out of the sails - that's selfish and foolish IMO.

To spend so much money on ONE LAP - that just makes my head hurt.

The people that are spending money on autocross are doing the same thing, except for lower speeds and even less time.

or if you want to go for an entire race, people spend truly obscene amounts of money on wheel to wheel. Money on time attack pales in comparison.