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Old 10-06-2001, 02:37 PM   #1
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Default A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

Years ago most automobile engines used single weight oil, such as SAE 30. Oil filters were non existent or ineffectual. To make sure that the oil would drain out quickly, and to stir up the foreign matter and keep it in suspension in the oil when it was drained, it was always recommended that the oil be drained hot.

I have come to the opinion that the best way to change oil today, is to let the vehicle sit overnight, and drain it cold. Here is my thinking:

* Sitting overnight, all the oil drains into the pan, including whatever can drain back from the filter. When drained hot, some of the oil is still in various parts of the engine, and the filter is full to the max.

* With 100% of the oil constantly filtered, and with fairly efficient modern filters, there is not alot of foreign matter that needs to be stirred up before the oil is drained. This is assuming that the oil and filter are changed on a regular basis.

* For the DIY people, you can concentrate on the task at hand and do it properly, and not be constantly trying to avoid getting burned in the process.

* Synthetic oils flow very well when cold; they do not need to be warmed up to get them to flow out well when drained. Further, the additives in the oil hold whatever dirt they have picked up in suspension even when cold.

For a difficult filter location such as the Focus Zetec, this cold draining works well because it minimizes the amount of oil in the filter when you loosen it, and not being concerned about getting burned lets you get in there and do what needs to be done in catching the small amount of oil that does spill out and in getting the filter changed in the rather confined spaces.

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Old 10-06-2001, 05:22 PM   #2
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

What I do is after most of the oil has drained out of the pan I add about a half quart of fresh oil and let that drain thru also. Kind of a mini flush
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Old 10-06-2001, 09:44 PM   #3
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

The reason for draining hot oil is that the particles that have not been captured by the filter ( and there are some ) as well as ash
that is formed from the oil when the engine is run, can be drained out. This is good. When the oil stands, as in overnight, and is then drained cold, the residule contaminants
sit on the bottom of the sump pan. They stay there until the new oil is heated and the filter either filters them if possible.

Draining the oil at normal opperating temp is STILL the recomended procedure.
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Old 10-07-2001, 05:34 AM   #4
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

R Eastman made ref. to synthetics.
Esseff's post doesn't SEEM to address this.
Any experts Know if this makes a difference w/ respect to the original post's attempts at a new method for newer types of oil?
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Old 10-07-2001, 01:17 PM   #5
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

Synthetic oils have the same properies as fossil oils. They just get the job done better! Drain Hot oil or live with an oil pan filled with contaminents... Thems is the 2 choices...
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Old 10-08-2001, 07:13 PM   #6
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

One guy I knew (civic owner, but nice guy anyway) always drained the old oil (Mobil 1) and refilled with the cheapest oil and filter he could find. Drove about 20 miles, drained it again and refilled with Mobil 1 and usually a Fram or Honda filter.
It's maybe a little obsessive, but it works for getting all the old oil and sediment out of the pan.
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Old 10-08-2001, 08:01 PM   #7
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drivefaster:
and usually a Fram or Honda filter.
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Well being that he cared enough to use only the best for his car (a fram no less )

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Old 10-09-2001, 04:57 AM   #8
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

So Essef,
Are you saying that the assertion that the synthetic oils additives hold the "typical" debris in suspension, even when cold, is a misconception???
I'm no expert in any way, just curious, and looking for the truth.
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Old 10-09-2001, 09:23 PM   #9
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At least it wasn't Purolator!!
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Old 10-10-2001, 12:57 AM   #10
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

Michaelxi, I am saying that some sediment will settle to thew bottom of the pan when the oil is not being circulated and allowed to stand. The heavier pieces will settle and eventually all the pieces will settle to the bottom. Therefore it is wise to drain while hot. ( As soon as you shut the engine off.)
I mention shutting the engine down because some smartie will think he can get all the old oil out by letting the oil pump push it out. Don't laugh too loud... ask any tech,
they have heard the stories of oil draining and bearing replacement... Ouch! That's an expensive oil cchange ( and I did it myself!)
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Old 10-11-2001, 01:04 AM   #11
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Case Closed.
Thanks.


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Old 03-28-2002, 02:53 PM   #12
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drivefaster:
At least it wasn't Purolator!!<hr></blockquote>

Purolator 0wnz Fram! You'd have to go to K&N or another "exotic" filter brand to do better.
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Old 03-28-2002, 11:47 PM   #13
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Purolator (Pure 1 Filters) actually filter better than K&N but dont take my word for it as its written on their respective boxes. I've heard that both K&N as well as M1 Filters are made by a Champion Labs not of the spark plug fame. I run the M1 on my truck and like that but for the price as well as comparative rating the Pure 1 rocks. I change every 3K with M1 5W30 which some say is excessive but as long as you can afford to then why not. I auto-x the Focus, wheel the truck, and drive both of them like they are stolen so at least being proactive on changing the oil with quality stuff can't hurt. Fram.....one product line that truly sucks. If you can discount in some manner the hundreds upon hundreds of Fram horror stories available to you online then maybe I'd listen to a poster attempt to defend that brand. Does an oil filter really matter all that much? We'll discuss it further as my truck is passing 200K enroute to 400K.
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Old 03-29-2002, 12:14 AM   #14
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

If Im not mistaken, which I usualy am, the K&N may not be quite as effective at filtering, but it filters more in a given time. What I was told is that for example, a oil pump will pump 100 qt in 1 hr. The average filter can filter at max 85% of that. The rest is bypassed back into the engine. [img]graemlins/thumbdown.gif[/img] That bein said, the K&N supposedly can filter between 93-96% of the oil. [img]graemlins/thumbup.gif[/img] Less bypass meas cleaner oil...or so I thought. am I wrong? [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 03-29-2002, 12:37 AM   #15
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Default Re: A Preposperous Idea for Oil Changes.

There was a neat filter review site I posted in ... damn I forget which forum (think Zetec tuning) quite a while back. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Yeah, I figure if I don't burn myself while changing my oil, I'm doing something wrong. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

The thing that sucks though... have you guys noticed that if you jack your car up from one side, drain the oil, then lower it and jack it up form the other side that a WHOOOLE lot more oil drains out! Didn't take long when I was pouring the oil back into the empty bottles to notice I was short on some used oil. Oops. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]
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