mintex vs. green EBC's - Focaljet

**ZX3er** · 04-04-2001, 01:47 PM

Are Mintex braking pads any better than EBC's Green Stuff?
1.What pads will offer better braking power?
2.What pads will offer less dust?
3.What pads will be easier on the rotors?

**Kstrhypes** · 04-08-2001, 08:40 AM

I was wondering the same thing. Any input anyone?

**atmzx3** · 04-08-2001, 10:56 AM

#'s 2 and 3 go to ebc. #1 goes to ???

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**ZXmurph** · 04-09-2001, 12:22 AM

Pads cannot "increase" braking power- do a search, I know we had the awesome brake article from Grassroot Motorpsorts here a while back. It got into everything- and all the myths...........

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1979 VW RABBIT Diesel "S.U.V." 45mpg Surfmobile- wipe your feet after getting OUT-(C.A.R.B.'s evil smoking nemesis)

**Ducman69** · 04-09-2001, 03:12 AM

I posted that a while back. It basically boiled down to 'brakes stop your wheels, your tire to pavement interface stops the car'.

However, I learned some things in posting that info too. Although generally true, increasing your pads coefficient of friction (amongst other changes to your brake system) will decrease pedal effort for a given amount of stopping force. The difference between a .46u pad and a .36u pad probably just requires a extra pound or two of force with your leg. This isn't really a problem as you have a lot of strength in your legs to accomidate a pretty big difference in force w/o you really even noticing much.

However, if you happen to be exceeding the amount of pedal force that you can apply to your brake, then a higher coefficient of friction WOULD help. I don't think this is the case though, so more importantly we want to avoid two things.

A) that our coefficient of friction of the pads drops to near zero (where pedal force cannot be strong enough to accomidate this) due to heat fade.

B) that the coefficient of friction is usually so low that modulation sufferes since you have to push so hard on the brake (like a hardcore racing pad at low street temps for example..I'm guessing those carbon fiber rotors and shoes would be like that hehe).

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MC · 04-09-2001, 10:13 AM

I have mintex AF pads and the dusting is almost zero. I can't compare to EBC since I haven't used them, but compared to the old stock pads the dusting is almost non-existent.

As far as stopping power.... I haven't been disappointed. The car stops without any annoying simptoms (excess fade, etc.)

Save some $$ and get the mintex

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2001 ZTS 5spd White, tan leather, chrome exhaust tip, tinted windows, KKM Pedals, Mintex AF disc pads, Mobil 1 ATF w/friction modifier, splash guards

[This message has been edited by MC (edited 04-09-2001).]

**nazthug** · 12-22-2001, 02:54 PM

will the mintex wear out the rotors faster than EBC? I dont really care if mintex stops my car 1 foot before the EBC, i would rather have my rotors last longer, because they are about $200 for the pair. I am about to order the EBC turbo groove rotors and pads, but want some input on the mitex pads. Are there any other better rotor than the turbo groove?

**confused soul** · 12-22-2001, 03:40 PM

I had EBC and Mintex

personally I preferred Mintex over EBC
for lest brake dust, and less wear/friction on the rotor

but I changed all that and went to Hawks MUCH MUCH happier now

**nazthug** · 12-22-2001, 03:44 PM

so the mintex actually produce LESS wear on the rotor? I thought the EBC did because they were softer?

**confused soul** · 12-22-2001, 03:49 PM

well here was my setups
EBC pads on PowerSlots.......
Mintex on Stock rotors

now it's EBC turbo groove rotors with Hawk HPs

it's really hard for me to compare any of my setups cause of the difference in each...plus my mintex with stock was alot of just easy driving(when i first bought the car)
EBC pads with powerslots was after alot of upgrades

**nazthug** · 12-22-2001, 04:10 PM

do you like the turbo groves?

**confused soul** · 12-22-2001, 04:26 PM

love my turbo grooves a HELL of alot better than the powerslots

Naz with all that money you got just go buy a set and test them
who knows they may add some torque to match what your FS plugs gave you in horsepower
ok all jokes aside

probably the best setup would be all EBC but I get my Hawk pads for next to nothing from Hyper Racing Developement(so of course I'mma use them)

**nazthug** · 12-22-2001, 07:10 PM

not as rich anymore as you think [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

People dont like smoking dope too much around the holidays, those damn new years resolutions give me bad business, all these crackheads tryin to stop...jeezz, what loosers [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Ok, EBC pads, rotors coming up with SS lines and fluid

how's that sound

**confused soul** · 12-23-2001, 09:16 AM

yea you gotta hate when they think they can quite etc.. for a couple weeks when you need the money the most

did Randy ever pay you for the pimpin' lessons???
That should be anough for say the new FC package for that 170ponies you need... hehe

so you going to use Goodridge brake lines???

Sure would be nice if someone came up with a nice PRICED 330mm front, and 300mm rear brake kit for under 2grand for both.........instead of 2500+

**nazthug** · 12-23-2001, 04:31 PM

i dont see why brake kits are so much$$$$

i will wait for the SVT to come out, go to a junkyard, find one, and transfer their F/R brakes to my car, but for now, EBC pads, rotors, and BAT SS lines will do

**OutaFocus** · 12-25-2001, 03:24 PM

I think you will find that with the newness of the Focus, people haven't had the need to do more than one brake change, so it is hard to find someone who has used more than one brand of replacement pads.

I had the same question when the time came to put on new pads. I did some research on some of the other boards where the cars had been around longer to get some more opinions. On vwvortex, a lot of people were complaining about the EBC's warping rotors at autox's. They stated that the kevlar held the heat longer and transfered more of that heat to the rotors and warping them. Many had great things to say about both Mintex and Hawk. I know about the outstanding pads Hawk makes, but when I was shopping, Hawk didn't have a pad for the Focus. so I got the Mintex. So far I love 'em, but the next set will be Hawks.

**Geometry** · 12-30-2001, 08:11 PM

Who sells Hawks?

**confused soul** · 12-30-2001, 09:24 PM

All GoodRidge outlets in Georgia have or get Hawk pads
Autozone can order them
Advanced claims it's a special order and charges you more
Nopi in Norcross has a guy named Noel, that gets them
Hyper Racing Developement

www.focusperformance.com does also

I love Hawk pads plain and simple

btw nice to see others from Georgia on here

**OutaFocus** · 12-31-2001, 07:23 AM

Essex Racing in Alpharetta is a distributor for Hawk also.

**FocusBoy** · 01-04-2002, 11:06 AM

I installed EBC's green stuff and the EBC rotors two weeks ago (easy installation)and I'm experincing a low speed (20 mph) grinding noise and feel through the brake pedal. How long does it take to bed these pads in?

**Kstrhypes** · 01-05-2002, 01:20 PM

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by FocusBoy:
I installed EBC's green stuff and the EBC rotors two weeks ago (easy installation)and I'm experincing a low speed (20 mph) grinding noise and feel through the brake pedal. How long does it take to bed these pads in?<hr></blockquote>

In my experience they don't. I had a grinding/vibration problem with mine for the several months that they were on. I just recently switched back to the stock rotors and they are so much quiter.
By the way anyone looking for a set of (slightly) used EBC rotors, cheap? [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: Kstrhypes ]</p>

**PitchBlackSoul** · 01-07-2002, 01:23 PM

From reading this forum I've come to the conclusion , damnit I've COME TO NO CONCLUSION!!! I want to keep my stock rotors for now, but change my pads ( sound like a screeming eagle SQuEEEK ) on stock rotors would the Mintex be my best choice?

Also when you're talking about the Hawk which ones are you talking about ? There alike 4 different kinds on focusperformance.com , so please clerify.

**Ducman69** · 01-07-2002, 01:33 PM

Get a brake shim (usually just stick on) and put that on the backs of the pads. Think there are spray bottles too (never used them though). That will get rid of your squeel problem.

**Erica** · 01-07-2002, 04:24 PM

LOVE the green stuff. Had em for about two months now, minimal brake dust on my rims - unlike my stinky stock ones... slotted rotors.

Couldnt be happier. We experienced some grinding when first installed...it stopped after a week...

I've been told by a brake expert that you are suppose to heat up your brakes when you first get em installed and then let em cool down for up to eight hours... he said it helps everything fit better... I dunno - he was the expert. Like - drive em immediately for half an hour, with frequent braking? I'm not sure how that works...but either way, he said that it'll help the pads last longer.

Wish I'd known that pre-installation time.

**spinwax** · 01-07-2002, 04:45 PM

Porterfields, were by far the best pad I have ever used on Mustangs.. I dont know if they offer anything for the Focus though..Plus they are not the best on the street. They work better the hotter they get

I liked my Hawk Carbotics a lot on the street, and for occasional track use. And I know they make them for the focus.

Had EBCs on a Honda Si,,, seemed alright.

I have never tried Mintex.. Have heard good things though.

04-08-2001, 08:40 AM	#2
Kstrhypes TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Confusion Fog Posts: 478	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s I was wondering the same thing. Any input anyone?

04-08-2001, 10:56 AM	#3
atmzx3 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: (Matt) Tyler, TX Posts: 2,315	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s #'s 2 and 3 go to ebc. #1 goes to ??? ------------------ I love Hondas..... when they're on fire. 17"Rage5.0 - YokoParadas - AemShortRam - FSstressbar - FSwires - PowerStopRotors - EBCpads - ClearCorners

04-09-2001, 12:22 AM	#4
ZXmurph Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: where to surf in Rochester NY?? Posts: 3,896	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s Pads cannot "increase" braking power- do a search, I know we had the awesome brake article from Grassroot Motorpsorts here a while back. It got into everything- and all the myths........... ------------------ Hows about more go, less show....... 2001 pitch black ZX3 "special order"- no power- Premium Grp + Advance-Trac 1984 VW GTI 2.0 16v "Street Mod" Auto-Xer 1900lbs/155hp- (refereed and certified C.A.R.B. swap) 1979 VW RABBIT Diesel "S.U.V." 45mpg Surfmobile- wipe your feet after getting OUT-(C.A.R.B.'s evil smoking nemesis)

04-09-2001, 03:12 AM	#5
Ducman69 I pretend to know everything. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,749	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s I posted that a while back. It basically boiled down to 'brakes stop your wheels, your tire to pavement interface stops the car'. However, I learned some things in posting that info too. Although generally true, increasing your pads coefficient of friction (amongst other changes to your brake system) will decrease pedal effort for a given amount of stopping force. The difference between a .46u pad and a .36u pad probably just requires a extra pound or two of force with your leg. This isn't really a problem as you have a lot of strength in your legs to accomidate a pretty big difference in force w/o you really even noticing much. However, if you happen to be exceeding the amount of pedal force that you can apply to your brake, then a higher coefficient of friction WOULD help. I don't think this is the case though, so more importantly we want to avoid two things. A) that our coefficient of friction of the pads drops to near zero (where pedal force cannot be strong enough to accomidate this) due to heat fade. B) that the coefficient of friction is usually so low that modulation sufferes since you have to push so hard on the brake (like a hardcore racing pad at low street temps for example..I'm guessing those carbon fiber rotors and shoes would be like that hehe). ------------------ 00 Ford ZX3 / 96 Ford Cobra 90 Yam FJ1200/ 85 Yam RZ350 / 84 Yam RZ350 Engine Forum Moderator -Chris-

04-09-2001, 10:13 AM	#6
MC TEAM Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Oak Ridge, NC Posts: 546	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s I have mintex AF pads and the dusting is almost zero. I can't compare to EBC since I haven't used them, but compared to the old stock pads the dusting is almost non-existent. As far as stopping power.... I haven't been disappointed. The car stops without any annoying simptoms (excess fade, etc.) Save some $$ and get the mintex ------------------ 2001 ZTS 5spd White, tan leather, chrome exhaust tip, tinted windows, KKM Pedals, Mintex AF disc pads, Mobil 1 ATF w/friction modifier, splash guards [This message has been edited by MC (edited 04-09-2001).]

04-04-2001, 01:47 PM	#1
ZX3er Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: palm harbor,fl,usa Posts: 1,001	mintex vs. green EBC\'s Are Mintex braking pads any better than EBC's Green Stuff? 1.What pads will offer better braking power? 2.What pads will offer less dust? 3.What pads will be easier on the rotors?

12-22-2001, 02:54 PM	#7
nazthug [FJ] Addict Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: san ramon, ca, usa Posts: 14,215	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s will the mintex wear out the rotors faster than EBC? I dont really care if mintex stops my car 1 foot before the EBC, i would rather have my rotors last longer, because they are about $200 for the pair. I am about to order the EBC turbo groove rotors and pads, but want some input on the mitex pads. Are there any other better rotor than the turbo groove?

12-22-2001, 03:40 PM	#8
confused soul Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roswell GA Posts: 1,964	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s I had EBC and Mintex personally I preferred Mintex over EBC for lest brake dust, and less wear/friction on the rotor but I changed all that and went to Hawks MUCH MUCH happier now

12-22-2001, 03:44 PM	#9
nazthug [FJ] Addict Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: san ramon, ca, usa Posts: 14,215	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s so the mintex actually produce LESS wear on the rotor? I thought the EBC did because they were softer?

12-22-2001, 03:49 PM	#10
confused soul Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roswell GA Posts: 1,964	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s well here was my setups EBC pads on PowerSlots....... Mintex on Stock rotors now it's EBC turbo groove rotors with Hawk HPs it's really hard for me to compare any of my setups cause of the difference in each...plus my mintex with stock was alot of just easy driving(when i first bought the car) EBC pads with powerslots was after alot of upgrades

12-22-2001, 04:10 PM	#11
nazthug [FJ] Addict Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: san ramon, ca, usa Posts: 14,215	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s do you like the turbo groves?

12-22-2001, 04:26 PM	#12
confused soul Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roswell GA Posts: 1,964	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s love my turbo grooves a HELL of alot better than the powerslots Naz with all that money you got just go buy a set and test them who knows they may add some torque to match what your FS plugs gave you in horsepower ok all jokes aside probably the best setup would be all EBC but I get my Hawk pads for next to nothing from Hyper Racing Developement(so of course I'mma use them)

12-22-2001, 07:10 PM	#13
nazthug [FJ] Addict Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: san ramon, ca, usa Posts: 14,215	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s not as rich anymore as you think [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] People dont like smoking dope too much around the holidays, those damn new years resolutions give me bad business, all these crackheads tryin to stop...jeezz, what loosers [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Ok, EBC pads, rotors coming up with SS lines and fluid how's that sound

12-23-2001, 09:16 AM	#14
confused soul Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roswell GA Posts: 1,964	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s yea you gotta hate when they think they can quite etc.. for a couple weeks when you need the money the most did Randy ever pay you for the pimpin' lessons??? That should be anough for say the new FC package for that 170ponies you need... hehe so you going to use Goodridge brake lines??? Sure would be nice if someone came up with a nice PRICED 330mm front, and 300mm rear brake kit for under 2grand for both.........instead of 2500+

12-23-2001, 04:31 PM	#15
nazthug [FJ] Addict Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: san ramon, ca, usa Posts: 14,215	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s i dont see why brake kits are so much$$$$ i will wait for the SVT to come out, go to a junkyard, find one, and transfer their F/R brakes to my car, but for now, EBC pads, rotors, and BAT SS lines will do

12-25-2001, 03:24 PM	#16
OutaFocus Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Acworth, Georgia, USA Posts: 2,292	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s I think you will find that with the newness of the Focus, people haven't had the need to do more than one brake change, so it is hard to find someone who has used more than one brand of replacement pads. I had the same question when the time came to put on new pads. I did some research on some of the other boards where the cars had been around longer to get some more opinions. On vwvortex, a lot of people were complaining about the EBC's warping rotors at autox's. They stated that the kevlar held the heat longer and transfered more of that heat to the rotors and warping them. Many had great things to say about both Mintex and Hawk. I know about the outstanding pads Hawk makes, but when I was shopping, Hawk didn't have a pad for the Focus. so I got the Mintex. So far I love 'em, but the next set will be Hawks.

12-30-2001, 08:11 PM	#17
Geometry TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: College Park, GA USA Posts: 540	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s Who sells Hawks?

12-30-2001, 09:24 PM	#18
confused soul Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roswell GA Posts: 1,964	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s All GoodRidge outlets in Georgia have or get Hawk pads Autozone can order them Advanced claims it's a special order and charges you more Nopi in Norcross has a guy named Noel, that gets them Hyper Racing Developement www.focusperformance.com does also I love Hawk pads plain and simple btw nice to see others from Georgia on here

12-31-2001, 07:23 AM	#19
OutaFocus Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Acworth, Georgia, USA Posts: 2,292	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s Essex Racing in Alpharetta is a distributor for Hawk also.

01-04-2002, 11:06 AM	#20
FocusBoy TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 625	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s I installed EBC's green stuff and the EBC rotors two weeks ago (easy installation)and I'm experincing a low speed (20 mph) grinding noise and feel through the brake pedal. How long does it take to bed these pads in?

01-05-2002, 01:20 PM	#21
Kstrhypes TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Confusion Fog Posts: 478	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by FocusBoy: I installed EBC's green stuff and the EBC rotors two weeks ago (easy installation)and I'm experincing a low speed (20 mph) grinding noise and feel through the brake pedal. How long does it take to bed these pads in?<hr></blockquote> In my experience they don't. I had a grinding/vibration problem with mine for the several months that they were on. I just recently switched back to the stock rotors and they are so much quiter. By the way anyone looking for a set of (slightly) used EBC rotors, cheap? [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: Kstrhypes ]</p>

01-07-2002, 01:23 PM	#22
PitchBlackSoul TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: (Leo) Long Beach / Glendale , CA. USA Posts: 277	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s From reading this forum I've come to the conclusion , damnit I've COME TO NO CONCLUSION!!! I want to keep my stock rotors for now, but change my pads ( sound like a screeming eagle SQuEEEK ) on stock rotors would the Mintex be my best choice? Also when you're talking about the Hawk which ones are you talking about ? There alike 4 different kinds on focusperformance.com , so please clerify.

01-07-2002, 01:33 PM	#23
Ducman69 I pretend to know everything. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: van by the river Posts: 18,749	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s Get a brake shim (usually just stick on) and put that on the backs of the pads. Think there are spray bottles too (never used them though). That will get rid of your squeel problem.

01-07-2002, 04:24 PM	#24
Erica I have a great pair of eyes Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,110	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s LOVE the green stuff. Had em for about two months now, minimal brake dust on my rims - unlike my stinky stock ones... slotted rotors. Couldnt be happier. We experienced some grinding when first installed...it stopped after a week... I've been told by a brake expert that you are suppose to heat up your brakes when you first get em installed and then let em cool down for up to eight hours... he said it helps everything fit better... I dunno - he was the expert. Like - drive em immediately for half an hour, with frequent braking? I'm not sure how that works...but either way, he said that it'll help the pads last longer. Wish I'd known that pre-installation time.

01-07-2002, 04:45 PM	#25
spinwax emo Queen Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,389	Re: mintex vs. green EBC\'s Porterfields, were by far the best pad I have ever used on Mustangs.. I dont know if they offer anything for the Focus though..Plus they are not the best on the street. They work better the hotter they get I liked my Hawk Carbotics a lot on the street, and for occasional track use. And I know they make them for the focus. Had EBCs on a Honda Si,,, seemed alright. I have never tried Mintex.. Have heard good things though.

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