Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version - Page 2 - Focaljet

**UltegraSTI** · 12-24-2004, 02:43 PM

dont see any reason y not, just a question of findin the bloody parts. really dont want 2 move 2 a 16in rim. tire selection is limited, more exp, and i have 2 buy wheels (bleh)

wonder if the calipers could b shaved down like what mcnews did 2 get 13in rims up front. not likely but wishful thinkin never hurts.

-Ult

**essveetee** · 01-09-2005, 09:31 PM

If possible, I'd like to see a side-by-side weight comparison between all these offerings. Itwould be nice to know how much weight you are adding/subtracting from each corner

**Rodewaryer** · 01-09-2005, 10:00 PM

FYI tidbit on wheel fitment, (if already covered my apologies) Baer states that their 330 mm track kit will work with most aftermarket 17" rims but not with SVT Factory 17" rims. I have personally used 17" Team Dynamics M/sports, 17" ASA AR1's and 17" Koenig Rush's with this kit and all worked perfectly, leaving room for tape weights anywhere on the rim they're needed. We tried 17" TSW Kylami's and not only did the fins on the caliper need filing off but there is a band around the rim were no tape weights will attach.

**LornesBored** · 01-19-2005, 04:53 PM

anyone got part numbers, for a person with 17's I wont have to worry about the clearance

btu does anyone have all the part numbers, spelled out so I can just print it and take it to Ford?

**mattyzx3** · 04-19-2005, 08:15 AM

Does anyone know if the BAER Front and Rear kits fit an Advance Track without upgrading the knuckles/spindles? If they don't does anyone know the part numbers for everything you would need from a SVT to modify?

**sleeperlove** · 04-24-2005, 11:57 PM

so none of the tce kits would fit in say 16 inch rota slips?? what offset is needed for 17's to fit ?

**Todd TCE** · 04-25-2005, 04:10 PM

Forget 'offset' it's wheel design that matters. It's all about the spoke clerance. Offset comes into play be short of a special order fit you need to review spokes first.

http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/wheel_fit.html

**jinstall** · 05-05-2005, 03:50 AM

TODD I GOT FROM PORSCHE WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR! The rotors are in fact drilled BUT they have a cast dimples in them to make the metal flow and form around the area to be drilled to make them stronger. I cannot tell you my source but it is a very good one. We had a 2 hour discussion about this last weekend. James

**Todd TCE** · 05-07-2005, 09:28 AM

Thanks for that update. We'd been over this elsewhere and seen both outer mold plates (with no holes) as well as the sand(?) castings for the inner sections to be broken out after the iron is poured. There are clearly rib reinforcements around the hole areas but the holes themselves are in no way cast into this part. This is the cast dimple you may be referring too. There were no dimples or pilot holes or such in the side plates however. If you want to read the whole thread on it shoot me an email. The pics were from the Move-it guys who apparently cast some of the parts for Porsche. And a Porsche employee did some research as well late in the whole conversation.

**jinstall** · 05-13-2005, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Thanks for that update. We'd been over this elsewhere and seen both outer mold plates (with no holes) as well as the sand(?) castings for the inner sections to be broken out after the iron is poured. There are clearly rib reinforcements around the hole areas but the holes themselves are in no way cast into this part. This is the cast dimple you may be referring too. There were no dimples or pilot holes or such in the side plates however. If you want to read the whole thread on it shoot me an email. The pics were from the Move-it guys who apparently cast some of the parts for Porsche. And a Porsche employee did some research as well late in the whole conversation.

As far as I know Mov-it only uses Porsche products and fabs the brackets. My friend just left Porsche to go to Audi as their lead design engineer.

**UltegraSTI** · 06-08-2005, 12:03 PM

coming back to this. enzi (henry) asked if the stock pieces from a svt rear disc would clear w/a 15in wagon wheel over it. pirhana518 (laz), a ford tech, took a 15in wagon wheel for me and put it on a svtf that was in the dealer for service. it fits over the rear. i dont care bout the front, i'll keep that stock size w/better rotors and pads, that way fittin drag stickies on small rims w/no probs.

however, i NEED the list of p#s needed to complete the conversion of fitting stock svtf rear discs and pickups to the back of my zx3 to replace the drums. help anyone

-Ult

**Penguini66** · 06-21-2005, 10:54 AM

I'll let you know how I make out. Here's my starting point from Tod's post above:

Quote:

1) Buy all the related AT parts and bolt them in place of your existing drums.
2) Buy al the SVT parts and bolt them in place of your existing drums.

Both are pretty straight forward conversions and require new hubs, bearing, spindles, hoses, rotors, caliper, caliper brackets, pads and hardware.

Dumb question but does anybody know if the Knuckle's are the same(disc-vs-drum)? It appears they are but just wanted to make sure.

**Todd TCE** · 06-30-2005, 10:56 AM

Yes, at least on the earlier car.

**OneAMRadio** · 07-28-2005, 08:33 AM

I dont know if this is adding but just for parts you can also use FordPartsNetwork.com I think(?)

-Ryan

**OneAMRadio** · 07-28-2005, 08:37 AM

Does anyone have the part numbers?! Thanks.

-Ryan

**five0stangman** · 09-25-2005, 01:05 PM

Todd, what big brake options do I have for my '05 ZX4 ST? Does the ST use the same hubs as the base Focus or the SVT? Thanks

**xelementsgrl01** · 11-30-2005, 11:27 PM

First off this is a very informative post by Todd. For my question, I was reading the article on the big break kit by BAT, and it says that you need to modify the stock front wheel hub. Does anyone know? What kind of modification they are talking about? And is the rear break kit also a direct bolt on, or will I need to modify?

**DisrupTer911** · 12-01-2005, 12:02 PM

you need to grind off some of the knuckle to use the caliper bracket that spaces the caliper further out so you can run the 300mm front rotors.

the rear, i believe is no modification other then unbolting the stock parts and bolting the new parts on.

**dinoadventures** · 12-01-2005, 06:42 PM

Quote:

the rear, i believe is no modification other then unbolting the stock parts and bolting the new parts on.

one thing i saw i think said you remove four bolts and then you have to grind the heads off two rivets. it was a wagon tho.

**xelementsgrl01** · 12-02-2005, 03:12 AM

thanks for the reply,i also wanted to know if the bbk would work on the lx model.is the lx the same as the zx models brakes

**S2inProgress** · 12-05-2005, 08:01 PM

i have actually been thinking about my brake options lately, from SSBC it is $900 for the rear disc upgrade and another $1700 for the front BBK kit. so i was considering the SVT brakes swap, then it hit me, i work with a buddy of mine who has a cougar, and the bolt pattern/offsets are the same, so i wondered how similar the brake setup could be and it is all wheel discs......i would assume the cougar's brake setup has larger rotors/better calipers than even the SVT focus because the car is so much heavier.....anyone have a clue if this swap is possible??

**S2inProgress** · 12-05-2005, 08:06 PM

i have actually been thinking about my brake options lately, from SSBC it is $900 for the rear disc upgrade and another $1700 for the front BBK kit. so i was considering the SVT brakes swap, then it hit me, i work with a buddy of mine who has a cougar, and the bolt pattern/offsets are the same, so i wondered how similar the brake setup could be and it is all wheel discs......i would assume the cougar's brake setup has larger rotors/better calipers than even the SVT focus because the car is so much heavier.....anyone have a clue if this swap is possible??

**P-51** · 12-12-2005, 08:12 AM

The Cougar rear disk swap has been thought of since the Focus first came out, and it's still impossible to do. Don't waste your time.

As for the BAT kit... be careful with that one. Last I heard, they chose the wrong piston sizes in order to use some off-the-shelf Mustang calipers and the resulting pedal feel is bad.

**Todd TCE** · 12-12-2005, 08:18 AM

Check out the post in the vendor section; I put up a helluva bargain.

**airforcefocus** · 12-12-2005, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by five0stangman

Todd, what big brake options do I have for my '05 ZX4 ST? Does the ST use the same hubs as the base Focus or the SVT? Thanks

It's the same for the SVT. I just test fitted a set of Mintex SVTF pads this weekend and they are identical to the ST.

12-24-2004, 02:43 PM	#26
UltegraSTI [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: ... Posts: 7,191	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version dont see any reason y not, just a question of findin the bloody parts. really dont want 2 move 2 a 16in rim. tire selection is limited, more exp, and i have 2 buy wheels (bleh) wonder if the calipers could b shaved down like what mcnews did 2 get 13in rims up front. not likely but wishful thinkin never hurts. -Ult

01-09-2005, 09:31 PM	#27
essveetee TEAM Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Poconos Posts: 820	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version If possible, I'd like to see a side-by-side weight comparison between all these offerings. Itwould be nice to know how much weight you are adding/subtracting from each corner

01-09-2005, 10:00 PM	#28
Rodewaryer Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Phoenix, Az. USA Posts: 2,834	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version FYI tidbit on wheel fitment, (if already covered my apologies) Baer states that their 330 mm track kit will work with most aftermarket 17" rims but not with SVT Factory 17" rims. I have personally used 17" Team Dynamics M/sports, 17" ASA AR1's and 17" Koenig Rush's with this kit and all worked perfectly, leaving room for tape weights anywhere on the rim they're needed. We tried 17" TSW Kylami's and not only did the fins on the caliper need filing off but there is a band around the rim were no tape weights will attach.

01-19-2005, 04:53 PM	#29
LornesBored [FJ] Special Ed. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Posts: 8,965	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version anyone got part numbers, for a person with 17's I wont have to worry about the clearance btu does anyone have all the part numbers, spelled out so I can just print it and take it to Ford?

04-19-2005, 08:15 AM	#30
mattyzx3 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 20	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version Does anyone know if the BAER Front and Rear kits fit an Advance Track without upgrading the knuckles/spindles? If they don't does anyone know the part numbers for everything you would need from a SVT to modify?

04-24-2005, 11:57 PM	#31
sleeperlove Sleeper Cars Suck Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the dirt Posts: 8,047	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version so none of the tce kits would fit in say 16 inch rota slips?? what offset is needed for 17's to fit ?

04-25-2005, 04:10 PM	#32
Todd TCE TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 741	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version Forget 'offset' it's wheel design that matters. It's all about the spoke clerance. Offset comes into play be short of a special order fit you need to review spokes first. http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/wheel_fit.html

05-05-2005, 03:50 AM	#33
jinstall [FJ] Addict Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wiesbaden Germany Posts: 12,551	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version TODD I GOT FROM PORSCHE WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR! The rotors are in fact drilled BUT they have a cast dimples in them to make the metal flow and form around the area to be drilled to make them stronger. I cannot tell you my source but it is a very good one. We had a 2 hour discussion about this last weekend. James

05-07-2005, 09:28 AM	#34
Todd TCE TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 741	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version Thanks for that update. We'd been over this elsewhere and seen both outer mold plates (with no holes) as well as the sand(?) castings for the inner sections to be broken out after the iron is poured. There are clearly rib reinforcements around the hole areas but the holes themselves are in no way cast into this part. This is the cast dimple you may be referring too. There were no dimples or pilot holes or such in the side plates however. If you want to read the whole thread on it shoot me an email. The pics were from the Move-it guys who apparently cast some of the parts for Porsche. And a Porsche employee did some research as well late in the whole conversation.

06-08-2005, 12:03 PM	#36
UltegraSTI [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: ... Posts: 7,191	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version coming back to this. enzi (henry) asked if the stock pieces from a svt rear disc would clear w/a 15in wagon wheel over it. pirhana518 (laz), a ford tech, took a 15in wagon wheel for me and put it on a svtf that was in the dealer for service. it fits over the rear. i dont care bout the front, i'll keep that stock size w/better rotors and pads, that way fittin drag stickies on small rims w/no probs. however, i NEED the list of p#s needed to complete the conversion of fitting stock svtf rear discs and pickups to the back of my zx3 to replace the drums. help anyone -Ult

06-30-2005, 10:56 AM	#38
Todd TCE TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 741	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version Yes, at least on the earlier car.

07-28-2005, 08:33 AM	#39
OneAMRadio TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Menomonee Falls, WI Posts: 662	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version I dont know if this is adding but just for parts you can also use FordPartsNetwork.com I think(?) -Ryan

07-28-2005, 08:37 AM	#40
OneAMRadio TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Menomonee Falls, WI Posts: 662	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version Does anyone have the part numbers?! Thanks. -Ryan

09-25-2005, 01:05 PM	#41
five0stangman TEAM Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Charlotte Posts: 117	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version Todd, what big brake options do I have for my '05 ZX4 ST? Does the ST use the same hubs as the base Focus or the SVT? Thanks

11-30-2005, 11:27 PM	#42
xelementsgrl01 TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oahu, Hawaiii Posts: 147	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version First off this is a very informative post by Todd. For my question, I was reading the article on the big break kit by BAT, and it says that you need to modify the stock front wheel hub. Does anyone know? What kind of modification they are talking about? And is the rear break kit also a direct bolt on, or will I need to modify?

12-01-2005, 12:02 PM	#43
DisrupTer911 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bloomfield, New Jersey Posts: 14,925	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version you need to grind off some of the knuckle to use the caliper bracket that spaces the caliper further out so you can run the 300mm front rotors. the rear, i believe is no modification other then unbolting the stock parts and bolting the new parts on.

12-02-2005, 03:12 AM	#45
xelementsgrl01 TEAM Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oahu, Hawaiii Posts: 147	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version thanks for the reply,i also wanted to know if the bbk would work on the lx model.is the lx the same as the zx models brakes

12-05-2005, 08:01 PM	#46
S2inProgress Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: cheektowaga,NY Posts: 1,014	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version i have actually been thinking about my brake options lately, from SSBC it is $900 for the rear disc upgrade and another $1700 for the front BBK kit. so i was considering the SVT brakes swap, then it hit me, i work with a buddy of mine who has a cougar, and the bolt pattern/offsets are the same, so i wondered how similar the brake setup could be and it is all wheel discs......i would assume the cougar's brake setup has larger rotors/better calipers than even the SVT focus because the car is so much heavier.....anyone have a clue if this swap is possible?? __________________ Zetec: its on all the time yo http://www.cardomain.com/ride/810035

12-05-2005, 08:06 PM	#47
S2inProgress Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: cheektowaga,NY Posts: 1,014	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version i have actually been thinking about my brake options lately, from SSBC it is $900 for the rear disc upgrade and another $1700 for the front BBK kit. so i was considering the SVT brakes swap, then it hit me, i work with a buddy of mine who has a cougar, and the bolt pattern/offsets are the same, so i wondered how similar the brake setup could be and it is all wheel discs......i would assume the cougar's brake setup has larger rotors/better calipers than even the SVT focus because the car is so much heavier.....anyone have a clue if this swap is possible?? __________________ Zetec: its on all the time yo http://www.cardomain.com/ride/810035

12-12-2005, 08:12 AM	#48
P-51 [FJ] Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brighton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 14,862	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version The Cougar rear disk swap has been thought of since the Focus first came out, and it's still impossible to do. Don't waste your time. As for the BAT kit... be careful with that one. Last I heard, they chose the wrong piston sizes in order to use some off-the-shelf Mustang calipers and the resulting pedal feel is bad. __________________ Lefebvre Performance Engineering "I'd rather be right than consistent" - Winston Churchill

12-12-2005, 08:18 AM	#49
Todd TCE TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 741	Re: Big Brake Kits: the options spelled out- Expanded version Check out the post in the vendor section; I put up a helluva bargain. __________________ Less bling, more zing. Todd TCE www.tceperformanceproducts.com

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