hardcore euro wheels?

[60Starliner]

AM V8 = Nice but not that hardcore. You are comparing Apples to Oranges. We are talking about wheels for Foci not Exotic cars.

[aces ST]

so what about ASA's

[ZX3TUNING]

ummm, not euro at all for what we are talking about.
those would be on a similar but slightly lower level to an OZ.

[Z63R]

so what about ASA's

They look nice. They make your ST look really sharp... but they are in no way "hardcore". Hardcore, as in "poke"... poking out from the wheel well with a tire stretched over it.

You know why euro tuner dudes stretch? There's a (an outdated, perhaps) tread-width rule in their version of our DOT regs... their version states that no portion of the tire's tread can be exposed past the vertical fenderline... but there's nothing in the rules about wheel width... see where this is going?

Stretch! Poke! It's all wheel pr0n!

[60Starliner]

Originally Posted by Z63R

They look nice. They make your ST look really sharp... but they are in no way "hardcore". Hardcore, as in "poke"... poking out from the wheel well with a tire stretched over it.

You know why euro tuner dudes stretch? There's a (an outdated, perhaps) tread-width rule in their version of our DOT regs... their version states that no portion of the tire's tread can be exposed past the vertical fenderline... but there's nothing in the rules about wheel width... see where this is going?

Stretch! Poke! It's all wheel pr0n!

For instance:

[60Starliner]

Originally Posted by ZX3TUNING

16x7.5s out front...

as test fitted on my car...


and these are the BBS RS's i have collecting dust.... any buyers?

What are the sizes and offsets of the RS's? What were the original et's? Is that a 2.5 in rear lip on that? Just wondering.....

[o2_designs]

I'd agree, the ASA AR1 are not 'hardcore' euro wheel. But the style of the wheel is originated from a euro design...and given the right stance and tire...

[Z63R]

...and given the right stance and tire...

You've got some rear poke goin' on... so that makes your application thread-appropriate.



The fitment on the ST = not hardcore any more than my 40 mm, 7- inch-wide Gridz are hardcore.


Hardcore:







Not hardcore:

[ZX3TUNING]

Originally Posted by 60Starliner

What are the sizes and offsets of the RS's? What were the original et's? Is that a 2.5 in rear lip on that? Just wondering.....

yes it's a 2.5" rear lip. sizes and offsets are top secret! lets just say they are LOW!
I sold them but the buyer might have them back up for sale...
BCV6SVT has a similar set with dual pattern 4x108 and 4x114 i put together for him.

and the 15" BBS RS's clear SVT brakes perfectly!

[ZX3TUNING]

Originally Posted by Z63R

Jace's car is money... needs to be lower though... about another inch!

[FocusSportVP]

^^^ I feel like that car needs more push on the front to match a bit better to the rear.

[Z63R]

^ Of all the pics posted in this thread, that was the Focus with the most front poke... of the cars I liked, anyway; aside from the FocusSport cars of which only one pic has been posted in this thread. By me.



The Focus poke seems a bit weaker than the VW poke... why is that? Is it because fewer Focus owners and/or tuners are doing it relative to the gazillion veebubz out there in the w0rld? Is it a camber gain deal?

[theindustrialist]

The Focus poke seems a bit weaker than the VW poke... why is that? Is it because fewer Focus owners and/or tuners are doing it relative to the gazillion veebubz out there in the w0rld? Is it a camber gain deal?

I've thought about that too; I think a part of it could be wheel selection, but imo if you're going for that look you have to think outside the box at least a little. When I first got my car earlier this year and began my forum trolling, most wheel questions were answered with something like "40mm is too low, get what's safe and what works". Then I saw the 5x100 redrill, and then I found this thread.

Also of course there are a lot fewer Focus owners trying to get that kind of stance than there are vdubs. But its not just vdubs, and not even just euro cars.

Suspension geometry might be part of it too; on my coils I'm running -2.0 in the rear and -1.7 in the front with no adjustable bits.
From what I've seen when you lower a lot of Japanese cars you get crazy camber and have to take measures to counteract it, not get more like we need to.

If more people adopted the "Im gonna go for it, fenders pulled, tires stretched, 4x[---] to 5x[---]adapters, I'm going to make these wheels fit, it might end up looking goofy but I'm gonna try anyway" mentality, then maybe we'd see more of the 'hardcore' stance.

But the amount of people interested in acheieving that stance, or that even think it looks good, is probably relatively small, which is understandable given our one model of car. The VAG group and many of the Japanese makes have a huge variety of models that are popular for modification. Ford not so much imo.

There are 4x108->4x100 adapters out there, but no 4x100 car I've found has high enough offset to come out with something usuable at the end [usuable being a relative term].

To do 4x108->5x112 or 5x130 I think one of the studs has to be extra long and extend through the oem hub AND the adapter. Not sure on this though.

In a perfect world Mazda 3 hubs would be a direct swap for ours, giving us the versatile 5x114.3, but this probably won't happen.

Anyway that's my 2cents about it. I think about this stuff way too much.

/rant

[FocusSportREP4]

Originally Posted by FocusSportVP

^^^ I feel like that car needs more push on the front to match a bit better to the rear.

The fronts def needs some new lips.

[ZX3TUNING]

Randy,
agreed but he didn't want to have to roll the fenders just yet... he's waiting for more rock chips on the front end so he can get it repainted for free by insurnace!

Ivan,
you find me some lips that work on KT4s and i'll install them!

Industrialist,
the biggest problem with the focus community on this subject is it's roots. it either has NONE or is mostly domestic V8 based or the mentality is. not to say that's a bad thing, just it's hard to try and convince a lot of the hardcore domestic guys to think euro...

the other major problem is money.
most focus owners didn't buy their focus with the sole idea of dumping thousands of dollars into it. i'd hazard to guess maybe 00.5% of focus owners fall into that catagory. the bulk of the people on here found out what can be done by stumbling upon forums and seeing other cars to get ideas. and with cheap wheels like EAP's and Rota's available for $100+/- each, why dump $3k on wheels and tires... it's just a Focus. with VW guys it's a Status thing. running some Kerschers or Stahls makes you a god if you pull it off. but they are also knowledgeable enough to know when it was a major miss. i'm sure i could slap on a set of whatever expensive wheels and the vast majority of people on here or FF wouldn't have a clue if it was a hit or miss.

they either see the wheels and know them for the cost/name or they wouldn't know what they were looking at. this comes from education in the style really but it's something most don't care about. if it's not something that comes in 4x108, it wont work or it's not worth it. vs the VW mentality of, it's far cooler if you make it work.

a conversion to 4x100 BOLTS(not studs) will open a HUGE list of options.
adaptors to 4x100 are a waste of time and money.
4x108 to ANY 5 bolt pattern wont work unless it's a 35+mm(more like 45-55+) 2-piece adapter and that puts you out of the range of most wheels.
about the only thing that COULD work is 4x108 to 5x130(porsche) but nobody makes the adapters and you'd still need to convert to a BOLT hub from studs so you could use low profile Allen cap screws to have the patterns not cross over eachother.

there are 2 ways for most people, convert to 4x100 bolts, costly to do but opens up a HUGE list of options.

pony up the money for the proper 4x108 wheels either custom made or imported from Europe.

both ways are going to cost, the bolt conversion means you are not stuck with odd wheels that you may never be able to unload for anything close to what you paid for them!

[FocusSportREP4]

Didn't realize you had Keskin on the the car.

[polarisman14]

The good news (from what I understand) is that HTperformance is going to be offering a 4x108 to 4x100 hub conversion in the near future, so that door that Mitch mentioned will be wide open for a reasonable price

[FocusSTGuy]

Originally Posted by Z63R

The fitment on the ST = not hardcore any more than my 40 mm, 7- inch-wide Gridz are hardcore.

How about 8.5in is that Hardcore ...

[faster_than_u]

^^et20 9" is hard core

[60Starliner]

4x108 is an Old school Audi lug setup, So as it has previously been stated if you import them you can get some "euro" options.

[60Starliner]

Originally Posted by 60Starliner

8.5x18" ET30 mit 215/40 R18 +

10x18" ET20 mit 245/35 R18 - DZ Exklusiv

That is hard core!

[JFord]

Sorry I have never seen asa's as "euro".

[Davor]

Originally Posted by BlckXenonZx3

Sorry I have never seen asa's as "euro".

I agree, BUT Kyle does make make an exception. I love his setup: small tire + spacer in the back. Next best thing is front tuck and rear poke.

[JFord]

No doubt it looks bomb. The car looks real good no arguing at all, it's up there with my favs. Just my flavor I guess.

[o2_designs]

Originally Posted by BlckXenonZx3

Sorry I have never seen asa's as "euro".

This already came up in this thread I believe, but to do a 'euro' setup, the wheel does'nt need to be of 'euro' origin. The whole 'euro' scene have been using alot of Japanese wheels for awhile, and even started taping into American wheels(C4 Vettes, Diamond Steelies)

I guess thats something I don't see anymore, where the wheel came from. But how it works with the car, the stagger, tire size, drop, rake, camber. It all plays into a euro setup. Of course having a decent wheel will help, but having a 'euro' wheel does'nt mean it does'nt have a 'euro' look to it...