Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? - Page 8 - The Ford Focus Forum

**English** · 11-07-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WRCwannabe

i wouldnt be surprised if those wheels (svt mustang) weigh 30lbs.

I could live with that. I know the focus RS wheels are very heavy, don’t know the exact weight but even the Compomotive mo's weigh in at 26.4lbs per wheel and I can get the 4 mustang wheels and the hub conversion for the price of 1 compomotive wheel.

http://www.usacomp.com/Specs/MO/MO1880.htm

**WRCwannabe** · 11-07-2009, 01:31 PM

yeah i know, those wheels are sick, id buy them, especially at those price you cant beat it.
but if you did a 5 bolt hub conversion, you open the door and have soooooo many options.

but those svt wheels are sick and well worth the money,/ where would you get the 5 bolt hub conversion at?
or would it be custom?

**ClintB1321** · 11-07-2009, 01:36 PM

30lbs would be NO BUENO

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Originally Posted by Terrible1

Mine is the same way with no noticeable difference in turning response. I absolutely hated having anything but factory toe settings

:

haha yeah

**English** · 11-07-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WRCwannabe

but those svt wheels are sick and well worth the money,/ where would you get the 5 bolt hub conversion at?
or would it be custom?

There are three options.

Custom hubs
Mazda 3 hubs or
ford mondeo hubs from europe, still looking into this option.

**Terrible1** · 11-07-2009, 10:17 PM

^^^ Will the Mazda 3 hubs simply swap over

might be worth looking into if it's that "simple"

**English** · 11-07-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrible1

^^^ Will the Mazda 3 hubs simply swap over

might be worth looking into if it's that "simple"

Rears do. Front you need the knuckle of the mazda as well I think.

There a thread over on focusfanatics but cant find it at the moment.

found it

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/s...d.php?t=207451

**CaysE** · 11-08-2009, 11:29 AM

You've gotta be f'ing kidding me... the '03 Cobra wheels were my backup idea.

I'm done... back to the drawing board. I'm not doing 9" wheels.

**ClintB1321** · 11-08-2009, 11:45 AM

^why ru so discouraged to run 9's?

**English** · 11-08-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CaysE

You've gotta be f'ing kidding me... the '03 Cobra wheels were my backup idea.

I'm done... back to the drawing board. I'm not doing 9" wheels.

LOL, sorry. Come on dont let me put you off from doing this.

**CaysE** · 11-08-2009, 12:32 PM

It's no problem... my goal is to build something unique, so if someone else happens to have the same ideas as me before I can enact them, I'm just going to change mine.

I also considered 2000 Cobra R wheels in 18":

**sanzx360** · 11-08-2009, 01:41 PM

That shot right there is so simple it's sick!

**WRCwannabe** · 11-08-2009, 08:03 PM

tuck haha.
hood is my absolute favorite aesthetic mod on the car.

**thenorm** · 11-09-2009, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CaysE

My example was theoretical... move the strut inward, and camber the wheel out to maintain contact patch. Naturally this means adjusting the strut separately from the wheel in some way.

this hit me with a bit of an eureka moment. there is a way to do this with crash bolt. granted most people would have used them just to add camber, but they could be used to camber out, and use proper camber plates to camber back in. this would move the scrub radius out abit. every littl bit helps.

edit: just did some math. assuming you can gain +0.5degree camber, this would move the scrub radius ~2.5mm outwards. maybe its not worth the hassle with teh crash bolts.

**CaysE** · 11-09-2009, 11:43 AM

The rears could be done by shimming the hubs at an angle... the caliper mounts are part of the hub so no problem there (then again, the rears aren't what matter). I suppose it could be possible to modify the front spindles with some cutting and welding with a similar result.

**brads03zx3** · 11-09-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thenorm

this hit me with a bit of an eureka moment. there is a way to do this with crash bolt. granted most people would have used them just to add camber, but they could be used to camber out, and use proper camber plates to camber back in. this would move the scrub radius out abit. every littl bit helps.

edit: just did some math. assuming you can gain +0.5degree camber, this would move the scrub radius ~2.5mm outwards. maybe its not worth the hassle with teh crash bolts.

Um...Eureka! moment fail. The focus uses a pinch setup on the knuckle. Typical crash bolts will not work. And it isn't exactly the strut angle that matters with scrub radius (though on the focus it is very, very close to the steer axis). What creates the line for the steering axis is from the top of the strut to the ball joint. So, you could move the ball joint outwards (kinda hard with a cast knuckle, and the rotor being in the way, or pulling the top of the strut inward (like camber plates

)

Now if you are talking about smaller diameter bolts for the lower control arm, again, what you are talking about would only reduce track width, and not change scrub radius. You would be effectively moving the ball joint outwards with the 'crash bolt', then moving the top of the strut outwards with camber plates.

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Originally Posted by CaysE

The rears could be done by shimming the hubs at an angle... the caliper mounts are part of the hub so no problem there (then again, the rears aren't what matter). I suppose it could be possible to modify the front spindles with some cutting and welding with a similar result.

And I'm not really sure what you are trying to accomplish here, but because the rear doesn't have a steering axis, it doesn't have a scrub radius. Shimming the hubs at an angle is a trick used by live axle circle track people to gain up to 1/2 degree of camber...unfortunately it is hell on bearings.

**CaysE** · 11-09-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by brads03zx3

...And I'm not really sure what you are trying to accomplish here, but because the rear doesn't have a steering axis, it doesn't have a scrub radius. Shimming the hubs at an angle is a trick used by live axle circle track people to gain up to 1/2 degree of camber...unfortunately it is hell on bearings.

That's why I said it wouldn't matter on the rear ya mamaluke.

I'm talking about cutting the spindles and re-welding to change the strut angle.

**stage3** · 11-09-2009, 05:28 PM

I wouldnt trust a set of cut and welded knuckles at all. Something as critical as the strut mount and how its a major part of the knuckle itself, is just asking for trouble if it were to fail.

Ingalls already make the rear camber shims if you were looking for them.

http://www.iapdirect.com/product.php...2&cat=0&page=1

**CaysE** · 11-09-2009, 05:29 PM

Come on man, I know you can weld anything.

**stage3** · 11-10-2009, 12:50 AM

Sorry, I wouldnt wanna touch that job. I would use different knuckles and make them fit.

**CaysE** · 11-10-2009, 08:22 AM

I hear you... I think some Revo knuckle research is in order.

**jman89** · 11-11-2009, 06:49 PM

CaysE Gerald REVSWIN had the idea of the Cobra R wheels in the back and SVT focus in the front.

**REVSWIN** · 11-11-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jman89

CaysE Gerald REVSWIN had the idea of the Cobra R wheels in the back and SVT focus in the front.

This is true, been trying to locate a set of 17x8.5" 28mm et 2000 Cobra R's for over a year now. They have been discontinued for awhile now. You can find them in other sizes and offsets, but I had THAT size in mind. Just cant find a set with that offset anymore. All the places that have them listed on their websites, I called and they say "sorry they are discontinued".

You don't have to worry about me doing it though... I have since looked into other wheels. CCW at the top of my list.

11-07-2009, 01:31 PM	#177 (permalink)
WRCwannabe TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 921	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? yeah i know, those wheels are sick, id buy them, especially at those price you cant beat it. but if you did a 5 bolt hub conversion, you open the door and have soooooo many options. but those svt wheels are sick and well worth the money,/ where would you get the 5 bolt hub conversion at? or would it be custom? __________________ Wings & Teeth ™ ("I'm U.S. with a little bit of U.K. swagger" ™ )

11-07-2009, 10:17 PM	#180 (permalink)
Terrible1 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Idaho Falls, Idaho Posts: 2,628	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? ^^^ Will the Mazda 3 hubs simply swap over might be worth looking into if it's that "simple" __________________ Time Attack Unlimited FWD Class #26 SCCA E-Modified Class #26 Too many mods to list... Here is a link to my build thread http://forums.focaljet.com/team-rigz...6k-no-way.html

11-08-2009, 11:29 AM	#182 (permalink)
CaysE EDM Specialist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 10,765	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? You've gotta be f'ing kidding me... the '03 Cobra wheels were my backup idea. I'm done... back to the drawing board. I'm not doing 9" wheels. __________________ 2002 Liquid Grey ZX3 ··· SVT replica-in-progress 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· ported JRSC BBK, ported head, 3" exhaust, Euro interior, more to come! strictly/focused • team edm

11-08-2009, 11:45 AM	#183 (permalink)
ClintB1321 [FJ] Specialist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 5,364	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? ^why ru so discouraged to run 9's? __________________ Boost Camel Racing...when you don't care how rice you look in the name of speed :)

11-08-2009, 12:32 PM	#185 (permalink)
CaysE EDM Specialist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 10,765	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? It's no problem... my goal is to build something unique, so if someone else happens to have the same ideas as me before I can enact them, I'm just going to change mine. I also considered 2000 Cobra R wheels in 18": __________________ 2002 Liquid Grey ZX3 ··· SVT replica-in-progress 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· ported JRSC BBK, ported head, 3" exhaust, Euro interior, more to come! strictly/focused • team edm

11-08-2009, 08:03 PM	#187 (permalink)
WRCwannabe TEAM Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 921	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? tuck haha. hood is my absolute favorite aesthetic mod on the car. __________________ Wings & Teeth ™ ("I'm U.S. with a little bit of U.K. swagger" ™ )

11-09-2009, 11:43 AM	#189 (permalink)
CaysE EDM Specialist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 10,765	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? The rears could be done by shimming the hubs at an angle... the caliper mounts are part of the hub so no problem there (then again, the rears aren't what matter). I suppose it could be possible to modify the front spindles with some cutting and welding with a similar result. __________________ 2002 Liquid Grey ZX3 ··· SVT replica-in-progress 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· ported JRSC BBK, ported head, 3" exhaust, Euro interior, more to come! strictly/focused • team edm

11-09-2009, 05:28 PM	#192 (permalink)
stage3 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 60	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? I wouldnt trust a set of cut and welded knuckles at all. Something as critical as the strut mount and how its a major part of the knuckle itself, is just asking for trouble if it were to fail. Ingalls already make the rear camber shims if you were looking for them. http://www.iapdirect.com/product.php...2&cat=0&page=1

11-09-2009, 05:29 PM	#193 (permalink)
CaysE EDM Specialist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 10,765	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? Come on man, I know you can weld anything. __________________ 2002 Liquid Grey ZX3 ··· SVT replica-in-progress 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· ported JRSC BBK, ported head, 3" exhaust, Euro interior, more to come! strictly/focused • team edm

11-10-2009, 12:50 AM	#194 (permalink)
stage3 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 60	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? Sorry, I wouldnt wanna touch that job. I would use different knuckles and make them fit.

11-10-2009, 08:22 AM	#195 (permalink)
CaysE EDM Specialist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 10,765	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? I hear you... I think some Revo knuckle research is in order. __________________ 2002 Liquid Grey ZX3 ··· SVT replica-in-progress 2003 Vermilion Red SVTf ··· ported JRSC BBK, ported head, 3" exhaust, Euro interior, more to come! strictly/focused • team edm

11-11-2009, 06:49 PM	#196 (permalink)
jman89 TEAM Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Trenton, MI Posts: 539	Re: Nine inch wide wheels (widebody)... overkill? CaysE Gerald REVSWIN had the idea of the Cobra R wheels in the back and SVT focus in the front.

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