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    Question What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    If this question or something similar has been asked, please point me in the direction. I searched, but nothing quite like what I'm asking came up.

    If this belongs in FI, please move it there, but it's sort of either an NA or an FI question.

    Given that I don't want to do an engine swap and I have the 2.0L Zetec engine. What is the max HP you could put to the wheels and still be streetable?

    My definition of streetable would be:
    Still runs on straight pump gas (premium). This is a BIG one!
    Still drives decently during grocery-getting, work-commuting traffic (maybe idle upped to 1000 max rather than stock 750, no 3000 RPM min idle speed)

    How would you do this and WHO would you get to tune it? (and of course the ultimate "what would I do if I won the lottery" disclaimer, Money is no object).

    If this belongs in FI, please move. Is it ALWAYS a given that a well done FI setup will ALWAYS beat a well done NA setup? (I would think so, but that's why I'm asking the question).

    I'm not asking for specific components necessarily as how much HP do you think you could put to the wheels given an "ultimate" engine build (that was still streetable, and not just a race setup that has to have 110 race gas).

    Can NA do it? do you have to go turbo/super? turbo/super with NOS? Complete engine rebuild?

    A rather stunning number of NA and FI options for the focus are now available and I want to get an idea of what I'm looking at engine wise if I want to put the MAX possible wheel HP a zetec can put down.

    And yes, I know drivetrain is a completely separate issue, but there is no reason to attempt to build a drivetrain that could handle 600WHP if a zetec could only put down 300WHP max.

    You are stuck with building up a 2.0 Zetec from a focus. No chevy big block V8 swaps.

    All input is greatly appreciated.

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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    It would prob be turbo, and, streetability would be with the cam/gears/tune.

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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    If an experienced opinion is what your asking for, I can give you a few tips to save you some time & money. I had a JRSC M45 on my ZTS, even had it refitted/resurfaced & retoleranced by Endyn and had ALL the mods with it (P & P head, custom short block, throttle body & intake, level10 tranny, you name it) but never got the oooomph I was looking for. For a person on a budget with medium hp desire it is a great choice for the money with the BBK, but I just went custom turbo. Nowadays there are quite a few good turbo options that are very upgradable so look at one that can be tuned to have decent torque down low (IE starts to spool at lower RPM) and goes up smoothly. Too high of a "mountain" on the dyno graph will equate to hard-to-control wheel spin in lower gears. As far as driveability, under lower load (not punching it) most FI cars behave very nicely - it's more the transmission programming that will affect ride comfort so don't have the shift pressure raised so the shifts happen too quickly. Now the debate on the maximum useable street hp is all opinion, but going much over 300/300 will be tough to control the traction. If you have a stock short block, the rods are the weak point but if you change them you might as well change the whole thing since the labor costs will be practically the same. You can get a good honed, balanced & blue printed block with forged components at quite a few places (Kansas Racing, Marcy Motorsports, or ************ to name a few). Tuning is best done on a dyno instead of a mail-order chip because it's more accurate so look for someone who is within reasonable driving distance. It's no secret I vote FI over NA, and nitrous isn't a bad option for the occassional blast at the track.
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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    Four thousand some odd posts over 6 years and you haven't run into any answers yet?
    I actually don't think I'm anywhere close to the number of posts that's listed. When the board was upgraded, some of the stats got jumbled. There was a debate for awhile whether or not to even show posting numbers. I've been here since the beginning, just haven't been interested in engine mods until now.

    I've spent most of my dough on the outside, not under the hood. I'll be the first to tell you I'll never buy another Ford (car, I'd consider a Ford truck) because of crappy quality even though I've spent at least $20K on top of the $14K the car cost me initially and am still continually spending on the car.

    Over the last 6 years there are many many more options than there were 6 years ago when the aerocharger was about the only off-the-shelf option, and the JRSC was still a dream. The aerocharger had major issues, and the JRSC doesn't put out the power I'm wanting. Tom was about the first one to develop a kit that didn't blow up your engine after about 10K miles and even that kit needed good tuning (as do all turbo kits really)

    I've done the research I've been interested in, I'm now starting to research horsepower options.

    I stated several times over that this post could go either way (NA/FI). Eventually I will learn what I need to know. I'm simply starting this journey with a question.

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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    For someone with what sounds like alot of money accessable. Go with a turbo and just keep your foot out of the gas pedal for streetability. Most any car can be streetable even +1000hp cobra and vetts. It's weather or not you decide to drive conservative or just mash on the gas all the time and be that guy.

    You don't have to have the most horsepower that a focus can handle to gain respect in the car industry so Go with a good setup that will give you a decent amout of power and make it look clean. This way you'l be able to handle the power and have fun doing it.
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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    Quote Originally Posted by ulackfocus
    If an experienced opinion is what your asking for, I can give you a few tips to save you some time & money. I had a JRSC M45 on my ZTS, even had it refitted/resurfaced & retoleranced by Endyn and had ALL the mods with it (P & P head, custom short block, throttle body & intake, level10 tranny, you name it) but never got the oooomph I was looking for. For a person on a budget with medium hp desire it is a great choice for the money with the BBK, but I just went custom turbo. Nowadays there are quite a few good turbo options that are very upgradable so look at one that can be tuned to have decent torque down low (IE starts to spool at lower RPM) and goes up smoothly. Too high of a "mountain" on the dyno graph will equate to hard-to-control wheel spin in lower gears. As far as driveability, under lower load (not punching it) most FI cars behave very nicely - it's more the transmission programming that will affect ride comfort so don't have the shift pressure raised so the shifts happen too quickly. Now the debate on the maximum useable street hp is all opinion, but going much over 300/300 will be tough to control the traction. If you have a stock short block, the rods are the weak point but if you change them you might as well change the whole thing since the labor costs will be practically the same. You can get a good honed, balanced & blue printed block with forged components at quite a few places (Kansas Racing, Marcy Motorsports, or ************ to name a few). Tuning is best done on a dyno instead of a mail-order chip because it's more accurate so look for someone who is within reasonable driving distance. It's no secret I vote FI over NA, and nitrous isn't a bad option for the occassional blast at the track.
    How did the level10 tranny work out for you? I also have an ATX & really reluctant to mod up very far without a high performance tranny. And what did that whole unit set you back? (Their web site is pretty vague about what the total cost is what you’re really getting.

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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    Honestly, your answer lies within Powerworks.

    Its basically a "bolt-on" but not. The total package is turn key, for the price you can't beat it and honestly, you won't find more power for the price.

    Plus, I've never heard a single complaint about the driveability/streetability. When you look at most turbo or supercharger setups, there can be little things here and there that go wrong, and be a constant project. But not with powerworks.
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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    Quote Originally Posted by opus1
    How did the level10 tranny work out for you? I also have an ATX & really reluctant to mod up very far without a high performance tranny. And what did that whole unit set you back? (Their web site is pretty vague about what the total cost is what you’re really getting.
    I beat the living $#*! out of my focus and the tranny is the one thing that hasn't complained once. I think I paid around $4K for the whole thing including the 2400-2800 stall speed converter and labor. I will definitely send my next project to them. They aren't much for conversation on the phone, but they sure do great work - I was referred there by a few guys who are crazier than me about cars.
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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    Quote Originally Posted by BUR_ZX3
    Honestly, your answer lies within Powerworks.

    Its basically a "bolt-on" but not. The total package is turn key, for the price you can't beat it and honestly, you won't find more power for the price.

    Plus, I've never heard a single complaint about the driveability/streetability. When you look at most turbo or supercharger setups, there can be little things here and there that go wrong, and be a constant project. But not with powerworks.

    I totally agree with Todd. I have the Powerworks supercharger on my car. Since I live where we must go thru emissions testing I also have a FS shorty header and the RT cat with a FS Flex and FS Stealth exhaust. I also have Ford Racing Stage II cams(they were in before I put the SC on).

    On the dyno after the SC install TQ was 187 and HP was 223 and climbing at 6500. The torque curve is more like a line than a curve 175 at 3000, up to 187 and back down to 183 at 6500. This is with the standard tune you get from Powerworks with the exception of the idle bumped up to 1000 because of the cams. These numbers could easilly be increased by opening up the exhaust to 2.5" and putting in some FI specfic cams.

    As far as drivability goes, I have not had any problems and 90% of my driving is in city stop and go traffic. I do have make sure I don't stop on the painted lines at traffic lights but I had that problem with the NA setup I had before. I did put in a LSD at the same as the SC so that helps with any traction problems.

    Edit: I am still running the stock clutch. I know that a stronger one is recommended but, since I have been driving stick shifts since 1959 and never had to replace one I figured I could wait to see if I needed a stronger one.
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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    My car is VERY street friendly... it actually drives better now than when it was stock.
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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeSVT03
    My car is VERY street friendly... it actually drives better now than when it was stock.
    well, having 2x+ the HP then you had stock makes it a lot more fun. I think the only time you are going to run into non-friendly HP, is going insane NA or huge turbo

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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    I remember talking to F2 and he mentioned that the maximum power they could get from a Zetec NA was about 170-190whp after that the motor would grenade pretty regularly. The Duratecs he said were MUCH better and made much bigger hp#s.

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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    FC had one that was over 200 I believe... this would be an example of saying "NO" not streetable.

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    Default Re: What is the max HP you can get from a 2.0 zetec and still be streetable?

    Heres the thing about trying to get big numbers NA from a zetec you would need all the better internals, a steel crank(in my opinion), a dry sump oil system, a well went through head(possibly go through the new FR head) and individual throttle bodies. you might want to stroke it as well. With all this you would be able to put in a set of cams that would make alot of power in the way upper rpms and you would be able to rev the hell out of the engine as well. talking 10 grand possibly more. But for the money your going to spend making this outstanding NA engine that would probably put down around 240 if not more you could do a fully built turbo or supercharger and engine.
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