Rear engine conversion for zx3? - The Ford Focus Forum

**MikeySSM80** · 09-09-2008, 08:06 PM

Does anybody remember the name of the company that made the rear engine zx3 that had a jackson S/C kit on it? They took the whole drivetrain and moved it to the back with a custom sub frame. It was at SEMA show a few years ago.(03-04') I'm thinking about 2x 520hp. 1040hp all wheel drive focus? why not. Death wish? sure.

**CWCZX3** · 09-09-2008, 08:54 PM

Phase X if i remember correctly.

**natedog_1959** · 09-09-2008, 10:32 PM

Sounds like fun. What kind of transverse transmission can handle that much power? Drive-by-wire would probably help with driveability, but a throttle cable would be much easier to fab up. Nate

**sleeperlove** · 09-09-2008, 11:07 PM

Crazy idea thats for sure. If you have 50k to blow on a focus I can think of much better ways to spend 50k than trying to
1 make 2 500+ hp 4 cylinders
and 2 putting them both in one car.

There was a tiburon in SCC a few years ago that was twin engined, also had 2 transmissions so he could put one in 1st and one in reverse and do insane burnouts. I think the car ran 10s or something crazy like that. didn't handle all that well though.

**natedog_1959** · 09-10-2008, 07:45 AM

MTM made a twin engine audi TT that went 244 mph and handled very well. With enough resources, anything is possible. Nate

**Funktacular** · 09-10-2008, 09:41 AM

There is a euro company that does this with VW's all the time, i'll see if i can find the name later.

**G-forces** · 09-10-2008, 01:28 PM

Why not just spend the money on one turbo Ferrari V12/transaxle. You might not hit 1000hp, but you'll be close enough so you won't be able to tell, lol.

**MikeySSM80** · 09-10-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CWCZX3

Phase X if i remember correctly.

Thanks.

**MikeySSM80** · 09-10-2008, 02:23 PM

I already have the car with 500+ through the stock mtx75 transaxle, a quaife differential, and some good gear oil. I also have a second engine build up on the way identical to the last. I just thought if I could find that company, it would make it easier on me. Otherwise, I'll have to make a subframe from scratch which takes more r&d. The ideal way to do it would be with two built automatics and high stall converters. I could also fab something up to synchronize the cable shifters. That might be a nightmare, but it could be done.

**ZX3autoxtasy** · 09-10-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by natedog_1959

MTM made a twin engine audi TT that went 244 mph and handled very well. With enough resources, anything is possible. Nate

It ran like crap.

The videos I've seen of it, it stalls like every time they try to get out of 1st gear.

A twin engine Focus is the worst idea I've ever heard. Maybe a rear engine, but I promise no one on here has the know-how to make it work well at all.

**MikeySSM80** · 09-10-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ZX3autoxtasy

It ran like crap.

The videos I've seen of it, it stalls like every time they try to get out of 1st gear.

A twin engine Focus is the worst idea I've ever heard. Maybe a rear engine, but I promise no one on here has the know-how to make it work well at all.

Hello friend, would you like to race my piece of crap? please say yes. Why does something so simple get you so confused or defensive? Just cause you don't know what is going on here doesn't mean the worlds lost with you.

**tackett834** · 09-10-2008, 09:40 PM

haha... nothing is impossible

**ZX3autoxtasy** · 09-10-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeySSM80

Hello friend, would you like to race my piece of crap? please say yes. Why does something so simple get you so confused or defensive? Just cause you don't know what is going on here doesn't mean the worlds lost with you.

A. The Audi TT he was talking about ran like crap... I'm not talking about your car, lol. Maybe check the post before me before you try to punk me homeboy. Hell, I even quoted it and you didn't notice that we were talking about the Audi and not your car.

B. Somthing so simple? You tell me when the last time you saw a dual-engine car be a simple feat to manufacture? If you can point me to that instance, I'll admit your right, but you and me both know that even with that Audi that came AWD from the factory, a team of engineers did a fairly poor job putting two engines inside it.

C. Honestly, I'm fairly certain I know more about dual-engine cars than you do. It's much easier to build a 500whp engine in a Focus than it is to put two stock engines into one, and have them work in harmony.

-Not a bad shot at a jab though.

**liggersnow** · 09-21-2008, 05:07 AM

why does every body get all bent up??we bought toms 540 whp focus and it sucks.we have to re-built every month and we have been un-able to take it to the track.

**LornesBored** · 09-21-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by liggersnow

why does every body get all bent up??we bought toms 540 whp focus and it sucks.we have to re-built every month and we have been un-able to take it to the track.

maybe.... you should sell?

**myfafp3** · 09-22-2008, 01:04 PM

haha i remember that audi. it did run pretty fast but only on straights. they couldnt figure out how to make it turn. its a fast car tho.

and i do remember that sportcompactcar shoot out with the twin engine hyundai tiburon. seeing a car rotate on its axis doing a burn out with one engine in reverse and the other in drive is pretty insane. it ran 10sec times easy on street tires. and both engines ran on methanol.

**ZX3autoxtasy** · 09-23-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by myfafp3

haha i remember that audi. it did run pretty fast but only on straights. they couldnt figure out how to make it turn. its a fast car tho.

and i do remember that sportcompactcar shoot out with the twin engine hyundai tiburon. seeing a car rotate on its axis doing a burn out with one engine in reverse and the other in drive is pretty insane. it ran 10sec times easy on street tires. and both engines ran on methanol.

If you saw the audi video, you saw what a logistical nightmare it was for an experienced racecar builder.

The damn car stalled all the time, almost everytime he tried to get it going.

*I'm not saying don't try, I'm just saying its a colossal feat that would literally take years, thousands of hours, and a few people with extensive mechanical engineering backgrounds and degrees to make it work. A twin engine car would be 4-5 times the amount of work it would take to spin a stock engine around and make the car RWD.

**enigmazx5** · 09-24-2008, 01:49 PM

that would be bad *** to have that car. too bad i cant afford to do on good old government employee lol.

09-09-2008, 08:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
MikeySSM80 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 39	Rear engine conversion for zx3? Does anybody remember the name of the company that made the rear engine zx3 that had a jackson S/C kit on it? They took the whole drivetrain and moved it to the back with a custom sub frame. It was at SEMA show a few years ago.(03-04') I'm thinking about 2x 520hp. 1040hp all wheel drive focus? why not. Death wish? sure. __________________ My Focus http://www.turbomagazine.com/feature...cus/index.html http://videos.streetfire.net/video/F...12-at_1441.htm Turbo 00' Red Focus Spins at 80mph. Turbo AWD 98' Safron Volvo V70R on 18" OZ Super Turismos

09-09-2008, 08:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
CWCZX3 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: York, PA Posts: 3,504	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? Phase X if i remember correctly. __________________ 2000 Autumn Orange ZX3 "Beauty" 226hp 211tq Dyno Vid 13.977@100.65 June 06' Focus of the Month 2001 Flat Black ZX3 "Project River Rat"

09-09-2008, 10:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
natedog_1959 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,531	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? Sounds like fun. What kind of transverse transmission can handle that much power? Drive-by-wire would probably help with driveability, but a throttle cable would be much easier to fab up. Nate __________________ 2004 SVT Focus Black w/ red inserts, HID's, Audiophile. Show: Euro Upper Grille, Tinted Corners, 5% tint on rear three windows, Stock 6-spoke SVT wheels. Go: Steeda STS, SRI, STB, 2 Mounts, MSD Coil/Wires, Side Gapped Cu Plugs, SS Brake Lines, F2 Rear Sway, SRF Throttle Body, ORP, Borla Exhaust, Grounding Kit, SVT Salvage battery box and Odyssey battery, COSDEVSVT Harness Bar, Corbeau Harness, 215/45/17 RE-01R's, Multimatic/KYB suspension, P-51 shims, Centric rotors/Hawk HPS pads.

09-09-2008, 11:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
sleeperlove You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Apex hunting Posts: 9,823	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? Crazy idea thats for sure. If you have 50k to blow on a focus I can think of much better ways to spend 50k than trying to 1 make 2 500+ hp 4 cylinders and 2 putting them both in one car. There was a tiburon in SCC a few years ago that was twin engined, also had 2 transmissions so he could put one in 1st and one in reverse and do insane burnouts. I think the car ran 10s or something crazy like that. didn't handle all that well though. __________________ “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

09-10-2008, 07:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
natedog_1959 Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,531	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? MTM made a twin engine audi TT that went 244 mph and handled very well. With enough resources, anything is possible. Nate __________________ 2004 SVT Focus Black w/ red inserts, HID's, Audiophile. Show: Euro Upper Grille, Tinted Corners, 5% tint on rear three windows, Stock 6-spoke SVT wheels. Go: Steeda STS, SRI, STB, 2 Mounts, MSD Coil/Wires, Side Gapped Cu Plugs, SS Brake Lines, F2 Rear Sway, SRF Throttle Body, ORP, Borla Exhaust, Grounding Kit, SVT Salvage battery box and Odyssey battery, COSDEVSVT Harness Bar, Corbeau Harness, 215/45/17 RE-01R's, Multimatic/KYB suspension, P-51 shims, Centric rotors/Hawk HPS pads.

09-10-2008, 09:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
Funktacular TEAM Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 237	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? There is a euro company that does this with VW's all the time, i'll see if i can find the name later. __________________ 01 ZX3. Ported TB, SVT header into RT cat to 2 1/4" OBX, VF Eng. top mounts, CFM lower mount, AEM CAI, CFM STS, Massive/FS strut bars, Massive UDP's, MSD coild w/Massive msx 80's, Centerforce Clutch, FS XCAL2, Comp Stg 3's not dialed in correctly cause I fail at basic math i guess?

09-10-2008, 01:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
G-forces Senior TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,024	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? Why not just spend the money on one turbo Ferrari V12/transaxle. You might not hit 1000hp, but you'll be close enough so you won't be able to tell, lol. __________________ Stockholm Getaway: Escort Cosworth vs Supra... on YouTube. Don't try this at home. (For some reason I thought this was a Focus the first time I saw it... now I have to find a new Signature.)

09-10-2008, 02:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
MikeySSM80 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 39	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? I already have the car with 500+ through the stock mtx75 transaxle, a quaife differential, and some good gear oil. I also have a second engine build up on the way identical to the last. I just thought if I could find that company, it would make it easier on me. Otherwise, I'll have to make a subframe from scratch which takes more r&d. The ideal way to do it would be with two built automatics and high stall converters. I could also fab something up to synchronize the cable shifters. That might be a nightmare, but it could be done. __________________ My Focus http://www.turbomagazine.com/feature...cus/index.html http://videos.streetfire.net/video/F...12-at_1441.htm Turbo 00' Red Focus Spins at 80mph. Turbo AWD 98' Safron Volvo V70R on 18" OZ Super Turismos

09-10-2008, 09:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
tackett834 TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hewett, West Virginia Posts: 282	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? haha... nothing is impossible __________________ 2001 CD Silver ZX3 5 Speed. 17" FN01R-C. KW Suspension Kit. B&M Short Shifter. Borla Exhaust. Shorty Antenna. For Sale: 18" Konig Trouble's wrapped in 215/35-18 Nitto Neo Gens

09-21-2008, 05:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
liggersnow Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 80	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? why does every body get all bent up??we bought toms 540 whp focus and it sucks.we have to re-built every month and we have been un-able to take it to the track.

09-22-2008, 01:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
myfafp3 TEAM Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ontario CA Posts: 139	Re: Rear engine conversion for zx3? haha i remember that audi. it did run pretty fast but only on straights. they couldnt figure out how to make it turn. its a fast car tho. and i do remember that sportcompactcar shoot out with the twin engine hyundai tiburon. seeing a car rotate on its axis doing a burn out with one engine in reverse and the other in drive is pretty insane. it ran 10sec times easy on street tires. and both engines ran on methanol. __________________ Dealer has many perks lol Xtremefords.com, Sedan Revolution #139, myspace.com/sammyfunnyguy

09-24-2008, 01:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
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