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KEEP2000-2007 FOCUS HATCHBACK - MODIFIED
KEEP2000-2007 FOCUS SEDAN / WAGON - MODIFIED
KEEP2002-2004 FOCUS SVT
KEEPFOCUS SPECIAL INTEREST (ROUSH, SALEEN, MACH, KONA, ETC...)
Bye Bye2000-2007 FOCUS ALL - STOCK (You have a nice, clean, stock car. But, you've done nothing but maintain it while everyone has done that and modded theirs. I do not see the need for this award.)
KEEP2008-2011 FOCUS
KEEP2012+ FOCUS
KEEP2013+ FOCUS ST
KEEPFIESTA

KEEPFinest Five of Focus Rising x5
Bye Bye sort ofFinest Five Winner (Just make 4 finest five and one that says finest five winner. Eliminating the need for that extra award that says the same thing.)

I want to also do a couple of attendee pick classes to get people involved and to look at all the cars.
KEEPFR Attendee Pick - Everyone with a car in the judging can vote for their favorite
KEEPFR Ladies Pick - Open to ladies who attend the event with their significant others.

Dyno day:
KEEPHighest HP Naturally Aspirated
KEEPHighest HP Forced Induction

Limbo:
KEEPLowcus Limbo winner. Just one class again this year for all cars. Just for fun. (Agree on one class. That Kyle kid or whatever his real name is likely to be the only bagged car as I will not be participating again this year.)

Sponsor Picks:
KEEPOne award for each sponsor, or each sponsor who contributes over a certain amount.

Autocross:
KEEPNovice: First timers only
KEEPMk1 Focus: All
KEEPFiesta: All
KEEP2013+ Focus ST & Fiesta ST


KEEPEngine Bay
Bye ByePaint
KEEPExterior (No need for best exterior if you're doing paint, wheels, etc. as that would all play into the decision -OR- get rid of those and just do best exterior and we make 3 separate awards into 1 like I've done..)
KEEPInterior
Bye ByeWheels
KEEPICE
KEEPOEM+
Bye ByeBeater (This is a car show not a show my POS. For instance, no Hoop-d was more of a theme than a beater which people classified it as.)
KEEPConversion
KEEPRace-Prepped *
KEEPBoost
KEEPStance
Bye ByeTheme (No one really has theme cars. Theme in the past was giving to a car that more or less flowed together and usually had fell into a conversion.)
KEEPGame Changer
Bye ByeLongest Distance (Every year this person has won not only this award, but others. Just get rid of it. Nick won 2 years ago, then Victor last year IIRC.)

So a total of 32 awards under my revision not counting the sponsors as I don't know how many we currently do/don't have.

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One last thing to, for people to be apart of the focusrising awards and event, I think should be there for both awards ceremony and show. There have been a few times where winners were not even present and just showed up and went home after the showfield. Not really what it is all about. I'm sure most know what I'm talking about without naming names.


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I agree with this 100% unless there are extreme circumstances like Michael not being able to get to the event due to needing assistance that was unavailable to him and Victor being in the hospital. You can't take an award from those extreme circumstances. I think when we (whoever's judging) is deciding who gets what award and someone isn't present, there reason should be looked at. Just because you didn't wanna stay to get your award, wanted to go get food, etc. should negate you. If you're not there because your laying in a hospital bed or because of a disability, then I do not think that should be held against you.

I sort of agree on the awards monopolization as well. Some cars deserve multiple awards like Jeremy's car won 4-5 last year. But, he was also the finest five winner so I think best conversion could have gone to the second place person in that category along with the others he won because clearly his car was the best car in attendance or he wouldn't have won finest five...

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The main car classes are the same as the Carlisle classes. We won't get rid of any of those since they are the same ones used for Carlisle. So 2000-2007 stock Focus will remain. At this point there will be few of them anyways since you're looking at a 7-14 year old car.

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I'd have to say Matt has hit it on head the pretty good with his list. Not only that but I would maybe just do a best autox time and a novice award to encourage attendance. At an autox such as Carlisle there is no classes to differentiate cars and it comes down to having fun and getting the best time you can. Eliminate a couple out of that and it brings down the total as well.

When I mentioned about people not going to the award ceremony it was more directed at those who drive in, park at the showfield and take off right after (tom rusu and others) if you don't want to take part in focus rising event in total, then you should not be awarded as if you are. As far as hospital etc ya definitely that should not detract and with Michael that is one situation that is unique and should not be a bad thing. Atleast his car didn't take off at 3pm to go home and we know if he could of he would of been there.

It is one of those things that should be noted when the event awards info goes out and that way those who want to be a part of this will know ahead of time and can plan accordingly to spend a little more time down at Carlisle


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I agree with what Jamie and Matt have said.

-There only needs to be two awards for autox (best time, best novice time). Jason, you of all people know that autox classes aren't awarded by individual car models as there are usually a variety of cars in each class. ST's shouldn't be in their own class because they're boost/have more power because that's not what wins at autox.

But back on track. Here's what I feel we should do for awards...

2000-2007 FOCUS HATCHBACK - MODIFIED
2000-2007 FOCUS SEDAN / WAGON - MODIFIED
2002-2004 FOCUS SVT
FOCUS SPECIAL INTEREST (ROUSH, SALEEN, MACH, KONA, ETC...)
2000-2007 FOCUS ALL - STOCK
2008-2011 FOCUS
2012+ FOCUS
2013+ FOCUS ST
FIESTA

Finest Five of Focus Rising x5 (with one being a "Finest Five Winner" award, so 5 in total)

FR Attendee Pick
FR Ladies Pick

Dyno day:
Highest HP Naturally Aspirated
Highest HP Forced Induction

Limbo:
Lowcus Limbo winner (if Matt is bowing out again this year, then shall we eliminate bagged cars in general? Esp since it's only Matt and Kyle?)

Sponsor Picks:
One award for each sponsor, or each sponsor who contributes over a certain amount. (I'd say for each sponsor that contributes enough to help fund/pay for their award)

Autocross:
Novice: First timers only
Fiesta and Focus: All (including ST's)

Engine Bay
Exterior
Interior
Wheels
OEM+
Conversion
Race-Prepped
Boost
Stance
Game Changer
Longest Distance

I know this is pretty much Matt's list, lol, but this is what i agree with. I would say one suggestion about the whole "finest five shouldn't get any other awards" deal would maybe be to not have Finest Five but have something more along the lines of "Finest of FocusRising" and just have one main winner. That would eliminate some awards and give more people chances to win all the other awards and not have five people only leave with one award.

Also, if we are concerned on awards costs, I can check with Mary and her mom and see if she can help us out as I believe the new company she works for still does trophies as well.
 

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Yes, I know autocross classes are not based on single models but last year the STs did post times a full second faster than any other Focus. That's the reason I went with splitting it up into 4 classes. Last year we had 6 classes based on modifications. This year I wanted to simplify it but still entice people out to run.

Just seems odd people wanting to add so many classes for the show but take away the small amount for autocross.

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I agree with what Jamie and Matt have said.

-There only needs to be two awards for autox (best time, best novice time). Jason, you of all people know that autox classes aren't awarded by individual car models as there are usually a variety of cars in each class. ST's shouldn't be in their own class because they're boost/have more power because that's not what wins at autox.

But back on track. Here's what I feel we should do for awards...

2000-2007 FOCUS HATCHBACK - MODIFIED
2000-2007 FOCUS SEDAN / WAGON - MODIFIED
2002-2004 FOCUS SVT
FOCUS SPECIAL INTEREST (ROUSH, SALEEN, MACH, KONA, ETC...)
2000-2007 FOCUS ALL - STOCK
2008-2011 FOCUS
2012+ FOCUS
2013+ FOCUS ST
FIESTA

Finest Five of Focus Rising x5 (with one being a "Finest Five Winner" award, so 5 in total)

FR Attendee Pick
FR Ladies Pick

Dyno day:
Highest HP Naturally Aspirated
Highest HP Forced Induction

Limbo:
Lowcus Limbo winner (if Matt is bowing out again this year, then shall we eliminate bagged cars in general? Esp since it's only Matt and Kyle?)

Sponsor Picks:
One award for each sponsor, or each sponsor who contributes over a certain amount. (I'd say for each sponsor that contributes enough to help fund/pay for their award)

Autocross:
Novice: First timers only
Fiesta and Focus: All (including ST's)

Engine Bay
Exterior
Interior
Wheels
OEM+
Conversion
Race-Prepped
Boost
Stance
Game Changer
Longest Distance

I know this is pretty much Matt's list, lol, but this is what i agree with. I would say one suggestion about the whole "finest five shouldn't get any other awards" deal would maybe be to not have Finest Five but have something more along the lines of "Finest of FocusRising" and just have one main winner. That would eliminate some awards and give more people chances to win all the other awards and not have five people only leave with one award.

Also, if we are concerned on awards costs, I can check with Mary and her mom and see if she can help us out as I believe the new company she works for still does trophies as well.
I think this sums it up nicely. I like the idea to only have one Finest award. There can be only one best car, but the others can win in their respective categories. As far as the limbo is concerned, do we know if the hotel is even going to have somewhere for us to do it? The Quality Inn was nice because it had the big lot for trucks behind it. Does the Motel 6 have something similar? If not then the limbo awards are unnecessary because we won't have anywhere to hold the limbo.
 

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We will be at the showfield for the awards and food and not motel 6. Aslong as schedule is similar then that's where it will happen.

A single finest award for the top car makes sense if I'm understanding correctly. Basically best of show award




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I think we feel as if the autocross awards shouldn't need that many is because they only go to the people who WANT to autocross (20 or so cars). The other awards pertain to our entire group (200 cars). This is just like the dyno day we don't put ST's in a separate category. The ST's may be running 1 sec faster than a NA car, but what about a boosted one? So do a novice award, an autocross award (Non-ST), and an ST autocross (includes Focus & Fiesta).

I also agree on going one step further and not doing the finest five and just doing Focus Rising's Finest. Let's hammer this out!

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I have no idea, Ron. I haven't been to as many shows as I used to to be able to compare.

And I also agree with Matt on the autox stuff. We could do a novice class, all foci and fiesta (non st) class and an all foci and fiesta (st) class. That would give at least three for autox. I mean, you did beat a cobra before Jason, so I don't see why a properly set up mk1 focus couldn't beat either model ST.
 

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I have no idea, Ron. I haven't been to as many shows as I used to to be able to compare.

And I also agree with Matt on the autox stuff. We could do a novice class, all foci and fiesta (non st) class and an all foci and fiesta (st) class. That would give at least three for autox. I mean, you did beat a cobra before Jason, so I don't see why a properly set up mk1 focus couldn't beat either model ST.
I was 1.4 seconds behind the fastest ST time in a stock SVTF on good Street tires. Brian Schindler in his track prepped and properly set up SVTF was 0.7 seconds behind that ST as well.

I'm not sure about William's experience but I think Chad was in his first season of autocross and he was the winner. Combined, Evan and I have probably 18 years of autocross experience and we still couldn't topple their times. Brinton was also 1 second faster than Evan or me in his ST on stock tires and the only time he has autocrossed is at Focus Rising.

The STs are fast, really fast. On that course the STs torque definitely helps their time when coming out of the corners on each end of the course.

I put some thought into it when I decided to go with 4 classes.

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Are these awards typical at a lot of shows?

Engine Bay
Exterior
Interior
Wheels
OEM+
Conversion
Race-Prepped
Boost
Stance
Game Changer
Longest Distance
It depends on the show. I've been to some where it's just the car class award and others where they give out best paint, best interior, best engine bay. I haven't seen the other awards given out at other shows, but I also haven't entered that many shows.

I know I want to meet things halfway. We don't need as many awards but I want more than just the car class awards.

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Car Show:
2000-2007 FOCUS HATCHBACK - MODIFIED
2000-2007 FOCUS SEDAN / WAGON - MODIFIED
2002-2004 FOCUS SVT
FOCUS SPECIAL INTEREST (ROUSH, SALEEN, MACH, KONA, ETC...)
2000-2007 FOCUS ALL - STOCK
2008-2011 FOCUS
2012+ FOCUS
2013+ FOCUS ST
FIESTA

Engine Bay
Interior
Exterior
Stance
Longest Distance
Best female built/owned

Best of Show​


FR Attendee Pick - Everyone with a car in the judging can vote for their favorite
FR Ladies Pick - Open to ladies who attend the event with their significant others.​


Dyno day:
Highest HP Naturally Aspirated
Highest HP Forced Induction​


Limbo:
Lowcus Limbo winner. Just one class again this year for all cars. Just for fun.​


Sponsor Picks:
One award for each sponsor, or each sponsor who contributes over a certain amount.​


Autocross:
Novice: First timers only
2000-2014 Focus and Fiesta
2013+ Focus ST & Fiesta ST​


I took some of the input and made the list above. With this list we're down to 24 before the sponsor picks are added in.

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