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I want to also do a couple of attendee pick classes to get people involved and to look at all the cars.
FR Attendee Pick - Everyone with a car in the judging can vote for their favorite
Isn't this what the class awards at Carlisle are for........ lets be realistic, barely any votes come from anyone outside the Focus or Fiesta classes (I have the numbers to support this)
 

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After speaking with some of the regulars that attend FR after the list was released of awards, I have heard some bad things. People not liking to drop of finest five (some not even interested in going now because of this) and also the lack of awards like previous years.

I spoke with Jason and the consensus was to talk about this in here and hammer it out if anyone else has any issues.

The list we had went over and over and a few of us had initially agreed on a modified awards list much closer to that of years past. It didn't seem to cut enough awards off so another was accepted and went with.

Here is one post from earlier in the year with one of the lists we spoke about and tended to agree on as a group.

In addition to this, last year we cut out 05-07 and combined with 00-04. Why I have no idea as I wasn't a part of planning but likely to stay with carlisles award schedule. I feel this puts things a little out of whack due to the availability of aftermarket and euro equipment for true mk1 cars over the facelift duratec years. In my eyes it is like not having an svt class despite the svt being closer breed to the 00-04 than the 05-07.

These are my thoughts and concerns that people have talked to me about.

Anyone else share the same?? Post up

I agree with what Jamie and Matt have said.

-There only needs to be two awards for autox (best time, best novice time). Jason, you of all people know that autox classes aren't awarded by individual car models as there are usually a variety of cars in each class. ST's shouldn't be in their own class because they're boost/have more power because that's not what wins at autox.

But back on track. Here's what I feel we should do for awards...

2000-2007 FOCUS HATCHBACK - MODIFIED
2000-2007 FOCUS SEDAN / WAGON - MODIFIED
2002-2004 FOCUS SVT
FOCUS SPECIAL INTEREST (ROUSH, SALEEN, MACH, KONA, ETC...)
2000-2007 FOCUS ALL - STOCK
2008-2011 FOCUS
2012+ FOCUS
2013+ FOCUS ST
FIESTA

Finest Five of Focus Rising x5 (with one being a "Finest Five Winner" award, so 5 in total)

FR Attendee Pick
FR Ladies Pick

Dyno day:
Highest HP Naturally Aspirated
Highest HP Forced Induction

Limbo:
Lowcus Limbo winner (if Matt is bowing out again this year, then shall we eliminate bagged cars in general? Esp since it's only Matt and Kyle?)

Sponsor Picks:
One award for each sponsor, or each sponsor who contributes over a certain amount. (I'd say for each sponsor that contributes enough to help fund/pay for their award)

Autocross:
Novice: First timers only
Fiesta and Focus: All (including ST's)

Engine Bay
Exterior
Interior
Wheels
OEM+
Conversion
Race-Prepped
Boost
Stance
Game Changer
Longest Distance

I know this is pretty much Matt's list, lol, but this is what i agree with. I would say one suggestion about the whole "finest five shouldn't get any other awards" deal would maybe be to not have Finest Five but have something more along the lines of "Finest of FocusRising" and just have one main winner. That would eliminate some awards and give more people chances to win all the other awards and not have five people only leave with one award.

Also, if we are concerned on awards costs, I can check with Mary and her mom and see if she can help us out as I believe the new company she works for still does trophies as well.
One addition to this list from the current list is best female ride



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It pisses me off that people are worried more about awards than anything else. I'm personally willing to go with either list, but I honestly think people not going because there is "less awards" is stupid and they're not going for the right reasons anyway.

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It's different for us tho Matt, we go to see each other and hang out, some are just going for the show or have done work they feel they need recognition for (we all do) it's just one part of the weekend but it is the main event.

Ken also started the finest five a few years ago, wouldn't be a bad idea to keep it going and continue with the idea of the top car on next years promos. Seems to of worked fairly well so far.

However we did go over this months ago for the most part this list Jeremy posted was a good option and I think will satisfy those going. We have more people and higher quality cars every year coming so let's keep that momentum


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It's different for us tho Matt, we go to see each other and hang out, some are just going for the show or have done work they feel they need recognition for (we all do) it's just one part of the weekend but it is the main event.
Yeah, but the person who's not going because of the finest five is someone who's been many times before, so they should be going for the same reasons as us.
 

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Here's the revised class changes to something similar to the past.

2000-2004 FOCUS HATCHBACK
2000-2004 FOCUS SEDAN / WAGON
2005-2007 FOCUS HATCHBACK
2005-2007 FOCUS SEDAN / WAGON
2008-2011 FOCUS ALL
2002-2004 FOCUS SVT
FOCUS SPECIAL INTEREST (ROUSH, SALEEN, MACH, KONA, ETC...)
2012+ FOCUS
2013+ FOCUS ST
FIESTA

Finest Five of Focus Rising

Best Female Owned
Engine Bay
Exterior
Interior
Wheels
OEM+
ICE
Beater
Boost
Stance
Game Changer
Longest Distance Driven



No Conversion or Race Prepped. Too small of categories.
 

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I think this is a big improvement on what we had, there is only a handful more than before aside from finest five and still trimmed some of the extra like theme, race prepped and conversion.

If trim beater or ICE we could add back the attendee pick award if it's wanted or ladies pick. Curious what anybody else thinks


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Either way I don't care. It kinda pissed me off that someone doesn't wanna come unless we added the finest five. Don't tell me who either because I'll flip them off and express my disgust for them not wanting to come simply because of awards.

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That's a fair assessment and it is a class the majority of shows recognize. I know you like the idea of the pick awards so was just a thought

Matt I understand your frustration, personally I could care less about finest five but it is also something which sets us apart and recognizes those top cars of the event. It is something which we should all be striving for going forward not just best of boost or stance for instance.

It is better to make adjustment now than it is to have people get upset. It wouldn't be a bad idea to send a survey out to attendees via email after the event for feedback anonymously on awards, schedule, quality of event, lodging and suggestions. That way the people who want to complain and say their piece can do so without thinking they will be centred out or anything like that. Just a thought and that way we can see what everyone likes and doesn't like for the next year too long ahead of schedule.




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The pics awards were added in to give our attendees a feeling that their vote mattered. When voting on Carlisle awards, it's just one of many that might not be a Focus owner. Ours would be just Focus owners that know the cars voting.

However, distributing the voting slips and then maintaining them would be a challenge with all the other things going on. That's one reason I took them out.

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