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In a Ross Perot world everyone would be voting for where and how their tax dollars are spent, but that's not how any government works. There is no PURE democracy (thank God), any more than there is a PURE marketplace (by "pure" I mean unfettered... also, thank God). A lot of time, money, and effort have been spent convincing people that it is possible to separate discretional government spending and popular desire from actual need and necessary expense. Everybody loves the spending of government that benefits them, and is against government spending that doesn't, they consider the former to be useful and the later to be "waste".

I embrace a mix of political philosophy as well, but stop short of narcissistic Darwinism to determine who needs support and who doesn't. The world is far too populated and far too complex for me to decide who deserves help and who doesn't. The only thing I'm sure of is that when our government is run by a philosophy "money talks", and the most money talks loudest, there will be no fairness, only more and more power and wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. Campaign finance reform is tantamount. Feingold is running again in Wisconsin... more power to him, he better win, and defeat the narcissistic, social Darwinist, Tea Partier that took his place last election.
 

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I just wish the U.S. had a third party. I think it would force the two that are the current extremes closer to the centre, which would likely be more in line with what the Founders were likely aiming for.

I used to think that economics and social platforms were less tied to the taxation systems in any government, but I have always instinctually voted for the socialist side of the coin(the edge). I am glad that I have learned the reality behind my tendencies.

Speaking of which, my Province has recently tossed aside its 45 years of conservatism in a shocking upset win by the NDP! I believe the CEOs of the oil industry having a televised whine fest is likely what tipped in the socialists. It's a new era in my adopted home province. At least it'll be interesting.
 

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I will almost certainly be voting for Sanders, which is something I never would've expected.
 

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I'm going to check out the book: The Speech: A Historic Filibuster on Corporate Greed and the Decline of Our Middle Class.

I wish I had a vote in the primary... and I hope Sanders gets the nomination, because I would also vote for him if he does. There is a first time for everything.
 

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Bernie Sanders. He's a rep from Vermont, a political independent (who caucuses with the Dems), a fiscally responsible progressive who votes as he speaks, and speaks for fairness and justice, political, social, and economic. I doubt he has a prayer, what with all the crooked-money special interests that will be buying commercial time for almost anyone else. Too bad, he'll become another glaringly obvious indicator of the Fall of America.
 

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I've always known "trickle down economics" was a lie, not just a mistake, but a lie told to cynically increase the survival advantage of those who see themselves as the most "worthy"... the rich. There is an old-world perception that has gained a lot of traction in the new-world from the time of the Industrial Revolution through the nuclear age, among upper class people, and upper-class-aspiring upper-middle class, that those who are not rich are only worthy of survival as servants and aides to those who are rich.

Since the great depression the majority of "the rich" have generally seen themselves as The Goose That Lays The Golden Egg, rather than in the much more truthful way of being the primary parasites of that very "Goose"... no matter if they received their wealth by actual contribution, or dumb luck, or shrewd investment, or cheating investment, or criminal activities, or as an inheritance, or as a house-flipper in times of recession. It has always been a lie, which the status-quo party could easily sell to it's minions of sheep, by continually beating the drum against the "insanity of socialism", while touting "Trickle Down" as the savior of Capitalism ("ditto Rush...").

Pathetic! Having money doesn't equate with worthiness or value as a human. In fact, the opposite can be argued much more successfully in today's world economic situation. In any event, Capitalism, as it exists, cannot be saved, because it relies on growth, and we have long ago exceeded the sustainable limits of growth (besides, "the devil" doesn't deserve a "savior"). The only way to get rich anymore is by fooling people... there is no intrinsic value in wealth. The cream rose to the top long ago, now only the scum floats up to mingle with it. The Rich are usually the worst among us, and never deserve extra advantage.

I'm glad to finally see a credible source shooting it down in flames. Now if we can start to teach responsible behavior, instead of repeating the idiotic, self-entitlement mantra you can hear on the latest NASCAR commercial, there is a slim chance that some of today's college students may live long enough to die of old age.
 

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^ awesome post!

That said, I will continue buying the odd lottery ticket... :p


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So will I... it's just that winning that or loosing that has nothing whatever to do with our "worthiness" of surviving, only that it might help us compensate for our infirmities if we won.
 

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